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F1Grid

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First things first: LL looks like shit. Think that picture of her leaving the police station, but like she’s gained a bit of weight in her face and her face has dropped significantly. She’s got quite a posh accent IMO, not cut glass but you can tell she’s definitely not northern.

Second: She’s moody as fuck! Comes across as argumentative, dismissive. Not the nice sweet Lucy people thought she was. Apparently this is nowhere near her worst either!

There’s a lot about BNE that doesn’t come across in the reporting I’ve seen from today. He’s very clear in what he alleges - for example today when he talked about her lying in the datix saying one of the triplets IV access was lost, he then turned to her and said ‘if there was no IV access, it wouldn’t be possible for you to give an air embolus would it?’. Then when she said no, he then tied it in a neat little bow by saying that’s why she’s lied and said there was no IV access!!! The explanation is much clearer in court than it is in the reporting. BM and BNE then had a spat! He’s totally got them in hand IMO. He made a few mistakes today (which piece of evidence he wanted pulling up, that LL was looking after a baby initially but it was then given to another nurse) but did correct himself on these and apologised.

LL does get the info before she is questioned about it, and thank god she fucking loves paper because she’s got tons to look through on the stand in front of her. She comes across ridiculous in her answers - that she collects paper from various sources, that she doesn’t think Baby Q’s deterioration was very serious. BNE caught her out on the stand, she alleged she didn’t have a feeding chart but then admitted she did. There’s contradictions between what she said on the stand and her defence statement and BNE makes her read out her statement to drive it home to the jury. The ‘loopy bowel’ moment was a really impressive bit from BNE too, he got LL’s note; then pulled up Sophie’s where she’s used that wording on the other triplet the day before. It’s the same wording. Then pulled up the reg’s note with the timing, and showed it didn’t match LL’s note.

There is so much evidence, but they seem to have laid it out well. It appeared to be in a system where there’s a timeline for each and every baby, and I assume it’s laid out the same on the jurors iPads. There’s timeline of all the activity in the unit, and you can see really easily with that where LL has stopped taking obs because she was walked in on by another nurse and wanted to get herself out of the room. The police in the room with us seemed really passionate about the case, and the evidence looks like they’ve done a brilliant job.

Overall I have absolutely zero doubt. The bitch did this IMO.
 
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F1Grid

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Just got out of court, full report in a bit when I’m sat down! In short though, todays only made me more sure that she’s guilty as sin, and BNE is incredible and so much cleverer than the reporting portrays.
 
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nosycowmoo

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Can I just put this here, Incase there’s any police 👮🏻‍♀️ having a peek! I am in awe. The time, dedication, skills, determination and years they have put into this trial is astonishing!

Even in court it can be a lot to take in, how they went through every rota, shift plan, every clock in and out, all the notes, the texts, the Facebook messages, the house searches, the list is pretty much endless. They’ve found and cross referenced and double checked an unbelievable amount of paper work. To put into perspective today they asked LL to turn to page 23000 and odd.

People are quick to moan about the police, they don’t come out to burglaries etc. no they don’t because there is horrific crimes that require i imagine unprecedented man hours to have brought this to court.

Everyone I speak to says the same. They look like they often stay in hotels too, they are there in court everyday working away.

You can see how much it means to them, and their dedication, time, thoroughness etc i really do believe is enough to make sure she doesn’t walk the streets again. To get some closure for the babies families- this is all for them. They are so brave. But just felt I needed to show some appreciation for them. I know we always big up BNE but he can only do what he does because of them 👏🏽
 
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Holy fucking shit.


12:23pm

One of Letby's handwritten notes is shown to the court. It is the one which includes a draft sympathy message for Child O, Child P and another triplet.
Mr Johnson asks why a sympthy message has included the name of the surviving triplet as well as the names of Child O and Child P.
NJ: "Was that your objective, to kill all three?
 
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Futtrit

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Now12:23
Letby 'lied' to jury about being taken away in pyjamas

Letby previously told the jury she was first arrested at 6am and taken away in her nightgown.
"How were you dressed when you left the house?"
"I think I had a nightie on and tracksuit bottoms and trainers," she says.
"You were taken away in a blue Lee Cooper Leisure suit."
"I don't remember, I had a nightie on," she says.
"Do you want me to show you a video of it?"
"No."
The prosecution says Letby wasn't taken away in her pyjamas at all. Letby agrees this was the case.
"Why did you lie to the jury about it?" Mr Johnson asks.
"I don't know."
Mr Johnson calls Letby a "very calculating woman" who "tells lies deliberately".
"No," she replies.
"The reason you tell lies is to try to get sympathy from people," says Mr Johnson.
"No."
He then adds: "Killing these children you got quite a lot of attention."
"I didn't kill these children," Letby replies.
"You are getting quite a lot of attention now, aren't you?"
Silence from Letby.


 
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Also why the hell was no name going on day trips with a colleauge that has been suspended … he must of known or had an indication as to why she was being investigated.

“ oh Lucy let’s go and see Big Ben”

🤢

No wonder he wants to remain hidden the little pond life!

EDITED HE WAS ALSO FUCKING MARRIED 🥴
 
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DellaC

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If you've voted not guilty just to be clever then shame on you. You sad pathetic twats.

Well, I knew today was going to be a difficult one but my god, I'm in bloody bits. I can't even manage a humorous post to soften the blow of today.

Absolutely heartbreaking. All of it.

Sending most of you a big hug x
 
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Remember in the beginning when it was a really mixed bag of guilty and innocent and there was so much snipping between people and now I feel like we’re all on the same side and we’re one big weird family. This thread has by far been the best thread I’ve ever been apart from, because even though the absolute horrific nature it’s been one of love, support and humour when needed. I feel like we’ve pulled each other through the last 7 months of this trial and I just want to thank you all. Apart from those that voted “not guilty innocent” you can fuck off and when you’ve finished fucking off you can fuck off some more.
 
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gigilouxx

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God only knows how her own mum and dad feel hearing this about their child. The Jamaican in me would have me throwing a slipper across the court at her
 
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LittleMy

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A friendship?? You don’t go galavanting off to London on days off with someone else’s husband.

Skank.
 
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gigilouxx

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I hope the triplets mum is being heavily supported. She was gonna kill every single one of their children. Evil evil cunt
 
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F1Grid

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@F1Grid i bet today has been emotionally knackering for you, well done for going not easy.
Was there anyone else with Lucys parents as previously I think there has been another woman.
The room you were in did you get any sense of what others were thinking, can’t believe there is ppl that think she’s not guilty!
BNE seemed to be on fire today and seemed to catch her out a few times, was that your impression too?
Are you going again!
Yes there was another lady with them today.

Everyone I spoke to there thinks she’s guilty. He caught her out big time on the feeding charts, along with that she tried to say the reg thought the abdomen was loopy. He pulled up the note the reg had written and bam, not the case at all.
this is brilliant, I’m so glad you have been and explained it so well now that it’s unlikely that I’ll get to go at all - feel like I have experienced it via you. It was a tough day in terms of information though, hope you’re ok - despite having so much to take in, it must have made it all very real for you.
Not going to lie, the first time I heard a baby’s name it was a shock! Additionally I think that because I’ve got the background it’s a bit more scary that someone could come around and do that to one of my patients and attempt to pin it on me as LL so obviously has with her coworkers. I suspect there’ll be new MDU/MPS guidance on how to write notes in unexpected deteriorations coming once this is all concluded.

Yeh I totally agree but f1grid I’m racking my brains to work out which you were, were you there all day?
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Actually think I’ve sussed you, did you laugh at my expressive eyebrows?

If that’s you, then yes!!! Just know that @nosycowmoo doesn’t hide her reactions well everyone :ROFLMAO:
 
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DellaC

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Oh this is magnificent. I am sat here with my mouth wide open. Utterly utterly wonderful.

You fucking got the horrible bitch BNE!

And Dr Noname. You're a big dick! A big stupid dick
 
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Tofino

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I’m surprised NBE didn’t go into the ‘I killed then on purpose’ stuff unless just not reported.

Glad he picked up on the searching in sets - @MmmB777 you picked up on that months ago.

I was not expecting some of the final stuff today like the social activity, the pyjamas etc. She’s a compulsive liar, she can’t even be honest about things that she would have known the prosecution could prove. Why did she think she would get away with lying about those things? How can anyone believe a single thing she has said. Even if she was innocent she only has herself to blame if she’s found guilty.

That was dynamite. Give NBE a knighthood. I can’t wait to hear from @nosycowmoo. I should have bloody gone to court. I’m not bloody focussed on my studies anyway! Time for a bacon butty.
 
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