4m ago12:02
Court has resumed
The jury are back in the room and cross-examination
Sky, not Mark!
Court has resumed
The jury are back in the room and cross-examination
Sky, not Mark!
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I dip in & out of these threads but wanted to say how much you guys are fantastic in explaining/ sharing your knowledge.
I genuinely feel more uncomfortable every time I read what she’s saying/ done. She’s an absolute menace and I feel so bad for the poor parents of those babies.
She’s guilty.
I genuinely feel more uncomfortable every time I read what she’s saying/ done. She’s an absolute menace and I feel so bad for the poor parents of those babies.
She’s guilty.
We like to drink with Megan cause Megan is our mate and when we drink with Megan, she finishes in 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1!
Aww it will be the anniversary of their deaths in 2 weeks time 
Mark must be a smoker the way he disappears as soon as the break happens....
I can’t believe the parents have had to sit and listen to the absolute balls come out of that wicked bleeps mouth on the anniversary of their deaths. All of this is so damn cruel
There were so many hurdles. The chances of natural conception of 3 babies all sharing one placenta, the chances of a successful pregnancy to a viable gestation, the chances of all being delivered healthy and in good condition and after all that in the space of 2 days that evil murdering witch destroys two healthy babies.
12:09pm
The trial is resuming after a short break.
Letby says a 20ml saline bolus was given to Child O in response to a poor blood gas record.
She says there was a delay as there was an issue with getting the line for Child O.
She says she believes the bolus, which has 'time started: 1440', was in response to Child O's collapse.
A doctor's note recorded for the '~1440' collapse: '10ml/kg 0.9% sodium chloride bolus already given.'
Letby agrees the two desaturations for Child O that day were "profound" ones.
Letby's note: 'Approx 1440 [Child O] had a profound desaturation to 30s followed by bradycardia. Mottled++ and abdomen red and distended. Transferred to nursery 1 and Neopuff ventilation commenced. Perfusion poor'
Letby, when questioned, says babies would "frequently desaturate", to this level, and this happened prior to June 2015, and "often".
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12:14pm
Letby says the redness to the abdomen on Child O was abnormal, and the description of mottling was normal.
Mr Johnson says during the intubation, Dr Stephen Brearey, in evidence on March 15, said Child O had a rash on his chest, on the right side, about 1-2cm in size.
He said it was an "unusual" rash that was initially pupuric, and it later disappeared.
Letby says: "I don't believe that's what I saw. I saw mottling. If that's what Dr Brearey saw, then if that's what you could take as being true, then yes."
The trial is resuming after a short break.
Letby says a 20ml saline bolus was given to Child O in response to a poor blood gas record.
She says there was a delay as there was an issue with getting the line for Child O.
She says she believes the bolus, which has 'time started: 1440', was in response to Child O's collapse.
A doctor's note recorded for the '~1440' collapse: '10ml/kg 0.9% sodium chloride bolus already given.'
Letby agrees the two desaturations for Child O that day were "profound" ones.
Letby's note: 'Approx 1440 [Child O] had a profound desaturation to 30s followed by bradycardia. Mottled++ and abdomen red and distended. Transferred to nursery 1 and Neopuff ventilation commenced. Perfusion poor'
Letby, when questioned, says babies would "frequently desaturate", to this level, and this happened prior to June 2015, and "often".
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12:14pm
Letby says the redness to the abdomen on Child O was abnormal, and the description of mottling was normal.
Mr Johnson says during the intubation, Dr Stephen Brearey, in evidence on March 15, said Child O had a rash on his chest, on the right side, about 1-2cm in size.
He said it was an "unusual" rash that was initially pupuric, and it later disappeared.
Letby says: "I don't believe that's what I saw. I saw mottling. If that's what Dr Brearey saw, then if that's what you could take as being true, then yes."
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12:14pm
Letby says the redness to the abdomen on Child O was abnormal, and the description of mottling was normal.
Mr Johnson says during the intubation, Dr Stephen Brearey, in evidence on March 15, said Child O had a rash on his chest, on the right side, about 1-2cm in size. He said it was an "unusual" rash that was initially pupuric, and it later disappeared.
Letby says: "I don't believe that's what I saw. I saw mottling. If that's what Dr Brearey saw, then if that's what you could take as being true, then yes."
She seems to be going on more of a "if that's what the experts say, but I don't agree" and "from what they said in their evidence" route today.
Bit weird, like she's trying to not seem as arrogant and argumentative, so appears nicer to the Jury?
Sometimes I wonder if other prisoners talk to her about the trial as it's going on, (from seeing news online, if they have access?) and she gets a sense of how she's appearing on the stand? Is this possible?
12:14pm
Letby says the redness to the abdomen on Child O was abnormal, and the description of mottling was normal.
Mr Johnson says during the intubation, Dr Stephen Brearey, in evidence on March 15, said Child O had a rash on his chest, on the right side, about 1-2cm in size. He said it was an "unusual" rash that was initially pupuric, and it later disappeared.
Letby says: "I don't believe that's what I saw. I saw mottling. If that's what Dr Brearey saw, then if that's what you could take as being true, then yes."
She seems to be going on more of a "if that's what the experts say, but I don't agree" and "from what they said in their evidence" route today.
Bit weird, like she's trying to not seem as arrogant and argumentative, so appears nicer to the Jury?
Sometimes I wonder if other prisoners talk to her about the trial as it's going on, (from seeing news online, if they have access?) and she gets a sense of how she's appearing on the stand? Is this possible?
Now12:20
Letby: 'I cannot remember what every witness has said about every baby'
Nick Johnson KC, for the prosecution, continues taking the jury through events on 23 June 2016, the day Child O died.
Lucy Letby is asked why she took a break at the time Child O desaturated so significantly that the on-call doctor was required to attend.
"Breaks were allocated by the shift leader and I had to be guided by them," she says.
She returned to the unit at 2.39pm. Shortly after the on-call doctor left Child O, he collapsed.
At 8.35pm in a retrospective nursing note for 2.40pm, Letby described Child O as "mottled" and his "abdomen was red and distended".
At 3.03pm that day, Child O had to be intubated. Letby is asked if she remembered this.
"Yes."
Letby is asked if she can recall what her colleague said to the court about this incident.
"I cannot remember what every witness has said about every baby," Letby says.
The colleague described the infant as having an "unusual" and "concerning" rash that was "clearly noticeable".
Letby: 'I cannot remember what every witness has said about every baby'
Nick Johnson KC, for the prosecution, continues taking the jury through events on 23 June 2016, the day Child O died.
Lucy Letby is asked why she took a break at the time Child O desaturated so significantly that the on-call doctor was required to attend.
"Breaks were allocated by the shift leader and I had to be guided by them," she says.
She returned to the unit at 2.39pm. Shortly after the on-call doctor left Child O, he collapsed.
At 8.35pm in a retrospective nursing note for 2.40pm, Letby described Child O as "mottled" and his "abdomen was red and distended".
At 3.03pm that day, Child O had to be intubated. Letby is asked if she remembered this.
"Yes."
Letby is asked if she can recall what her colleague said to the court about this incident.
"I cannot remember what every witness has said about every baby," Letby says.
The colleague described the infant as having an "unusual" and "concerning" rash that was "clearly noticeable".
Do babies ‘frequently’ desaturate to 30% oxygen?
It seems extremely low, peri-arrest/arrest level to me.
Or does she mean just when she’s around?
It seems extremely low, peri-arrest/arrest level to me.
Or does she mean just when she’s around?
12:20pm
Mr Johnson says when the doctor went to see Child O's parents, and during that time, Child O desaturated again, for the final time.
Letby says she does not remember this declining moment, but said she put out a crash call.
LL: "I remember the death, but not this precise moment where he declined and I put out a crash call."
Child O was intubated and efforts were made to resuscitate him. Letby says she did not recall seeing the rash disappear. She says she did not see what Dr Brearey and Dr Ravi Jayaram had seen.
Letby says she did not pull an NG Tube out of Child O's stomach.
An x-ray report for Child O is made at 4.46pm. It record: 'NG Tube in situ with its tip close to the cardia, this should be advanced by 10-15mm.'
An earlier x-ray report said the NG Tube was 'in a good position'.
Letby says a dislodged tube would still drain, as it would still be in the stomach.
Letby says the tube could be moved during the intubation process at 2.40pm.
Mr Johnson says when the doctor went to see Child O's parents, and during that time, Child O desaturated again, for the final time.
Letby says she does not remember this declining moment, but said she put out a crash call.
LL: "I remember the death, but not this precise moment where he declined and I put out a crash call."
Child O was intubated and efforts were made to resuscitate him. Letby says she did not recall seeing the rash disappear. She says she did not see what Dr Brearey and Dr Ravi Jayaram had seen.
Letby says she did not pull an NG Tube out of Child O's stomach.
An x-ray report for Child O is made at 4.46pm. It record: 'NG Tube in situ with its tip close to the cardia, this should be advanced by 10-15mm.'
An earlier x-ray report said the NG Tube was 'in a good position'.
Letby says a dislodged tube would still drain, as it would still be in the stomach.
Letby says the tube could be moved during the intubation process at 2.40pm.
What in the honour of the almighty, is this??? When I’m furiously trying to catch up!! 
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12:24pm
Mr Johnson says Child O's mother, in agreed evidence, said her baby was 'changing colour' with 'prominent veins.' She says she later saw that in Child P.
Letby says she didn't see that herself.
The father of Child O said 'you could see his different veins - it looked like he had prickly heat, like something oozing through his veins'.
Letby says she did not see anything like that.
She accepts she saw a red-purply blotchy rash and a red abdomen.
Mr Johnson says Child O's mother, in agreed evidence, said her baby was 'changing colour' with 'prominent veins.' She says she later saw that in Child P.
Letby says she didn't see that herself.
The father of Child O said 'you could see his different veins - it looked like he had prickly heat, like something oozing through his veins'.
Letby says she did not see anything like that.
She accepts she saw a red-purply blotchy rash and a red abdomen.
They pulled the emergency buzzer at 80% in the NICU we were in 30% is madness
I feel so sick. Just inhuman.
Seeing your post has just made me realise how close we are to the anniversaries of a lot of these babies births, birthdays and deaths...
12:28pm
In police interview, Letby said she believed she had done chest compressions and drew up some drugs.
Letby says after looking at records, she now believes she was just involved in medications.
Mr Johnson suggests Letby is distancing herself from the CPR so it could not be said she caused the liver injury to Child O. Letby denies this.
Letby says she "does not know" how Child O got the liver injury.
Letby denies injecting air into Child O to cause an air embolous, or inflicting a liver injury on him.
NJ: "These things all happened on your watch, didn't they?"
LL: "Yes."
Letby says she disputes an account that Dr Brearey told her not to come in after that shift.
NJ: "Were you bothered by what you witnessed?"
LL: "Of course I was bothered."
In police interview, Letby said she believed she had done chest compressions and drew up some drugs.
Letby says after looking at records, she now believes she was just involved in medications.
Mr Johnson suggests Letby is distancing herself from the CPR so it could not be said she caused the liver injury to Child O. Letby denies this.
Letby says she "does not know" how Child O got the liver injury.
Letby denies injecting air into Child O to cause an air embolous, or inflicting a liver injury on him.
NJ: "These things all happened on your watch, didn't they?"
LL: "Yes."
Letby says she disputes an account that Dr Brearey told her not to come in after that shift.
NJ: "Were you bothered by what you witnessed?"
LL: "Of course I was bothered."
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