Lucy Letby Case #36

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I feel so sick. Just inhuman.
She's now disputing that Dr Brearey didn't tell her not to come in. Bloody liar Letby. After she said she was coming in he then phoned Karen Rees to try to get her stopped.
 
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12:35pm

Messages are shown between Letby and the doctor from 9.14pm on June 23:

Doctor: 'Your notes must have taken a long time - Had you documented anything from this morning?'

LL: 'Only a little. Had the other 2 to write on as well and sorting out the ffp etc. Left signing for drugs until tomorrow'

A nurse also messaged Letby: 'F***in hell, what happened?'

LL: 'Can't Think straight so took a while'
LL: 'Blew up abdomen think it's sepsis'

Letby says it's not a term she uses often, but she had seen it before.

LL: 'Had big tummy overnight but just ballooned after lunch and went from there'

Letby tells the court that is what she said, having been reviewed by a doctor and Child O had a loopy bowel. She says she is referring to distention found prior to 8am.

LL, at 9.33pm: 'Worry as identical'

Mr Johnson: "Were you setting up a false narrative here?"

Letby: "No, that's not what I'm suggesting at all."

NJ: "You had already set your plan in motion by pumping air into [Child P] before you left."

LL: "No."
 
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They pulled the emergency buzzer at 80% in the NICU we were in 30% is madness😳
Yip 80% where I worked too. Although it was palliative care we intervened then (or before), depending on circumstances of course.
ETA: why is she talking such blatant 💩? Does she think the jury have learned nothing after months of medical evidence? I can’t imagine they’ll be impressed with these ridiculous attempts to bamboozle.
 
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We may sometimes suspect that someone is guilty, but we rarely know for sure. We adhere to strict rules of law and ethics, and we cannot knowingly mislead the Court. If a client tells us that he or she has committed the offence in question, then we cannot allow him or her to give evidence of his or her innocence under oath otherwise we would be complicit in their perjury.

We deal with every type of person you can imagine committing every type of offence you can think of. Personal feelings and thoughts are put aside, otherwise at times our job would be too difficult. We are not allowed to refuse to represent someone because we do not like what they say or even if we do not like them personally.

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I don't want to side track the thread, but if other people are also interested in knowing, could you say a bit about how you put personal feelings and thoughts aside?

I work in healthcare now. It's a basic ethical principle that everyone has a right to a good standard of treatment and care, no matter who they are or what they've done. This fits with my own values, so I'm confident I can uphold it. But in the legal sphere it looks like a much more challenging thing to do, because you're actually involved in establishing whether the person did what they were accused of or not. I think I'd find it much more difficult to step back from my own opinions and stay clear-headed in that situation, so I'm interested to know how you develop the skill and if it gets easier with time.
 
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Letby 'pumped air into Child P' before leaving work

Text messages Lucy Letby sent in the aftermath of Child O's death are shown to the court.

Colleague (9.13pm): Your notes must have taken a long time - Had you documented anything from this morning?

Letby (9.14pm): Only a little. Had the other 2 to write on as well and sorting out the ffp
[a type of blood transfusion] etc. Left signing for drugs until tomorrow.

Letby (9.15pm): Can't think straight so took a while


The court is then shown another conversation Letby was having with another colleague at the same time.

Colleague 2 (9.14pm): F***** hell what happened

Letby (9.15pm): Blew up abdomen think it's sepsis


"I am also going to suggest you are telling your friend [...] lies in these texts," Mr Johnson says, before showing another text.

Letby to Colleague 2 (9.16pm) Had big tummy overnight but just ballooned after lunch and went from there

Mr Johnson suggests this was a "not accurate" reflection of what had happened on the night shift.

"I believe he had had an enlarged abdomen overnight," Letby says.

Letby then expressed concern in a text to Colleague 2 about Child O's triplet.

Mr Johnson accuses Letby of "trying to create in the minds of other people" that there would be a similar problem with Child P.
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No, that is not what I am suggesting," Letby says.

"Because that is what you were planning," Mr Johnson says.

"No, it is not."

"Because you had already put your plan into motion by pumping air into Child P before you left."

"No."
 
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Now12:52
Child O died in his parents' arms after being baptised

Child O was baptised and then died in his parents' arms at 5.47pm on 23 June 2016.

In her nursing notes the following day, Lucy Letby wrote "peripheral access lost" in relation to why the infant required an IV.

A doctor has previously told the court this was not true.

"That is [colleague]'s opinion," Letby tells the court.

Letby is accused of injecting air into Child O.

"Why were you making an untrue statement in the form?" Mr Johnson asks.

"I don't believe it was untrue at the time."

"Is it just a coincidence you were making this report pretty much at the time you had been removed from the unit?" Mr Johnson asks.

"I hadn't been removed from the unit at this point."

Letby says she was removed from the neonatal unit in July.

"You were very worried they were on to you, weren't they?"

"No."
 
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Does anyone think she pricked herself, deliberately, to remove herself from the line of responsibility? I wasn't there, couldn't have been me, etc?

Also fainting for sympathy.
 
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12:59pm

An examination of Child P at 10am on June 23, 2016 was "unremarkable", the court hears.
Letby accepts that. She adds there was nothing of note during the day.

Mr Johnson suggests Child P worsened after Child O passed away. Letby agrees.

A 6pm feed for Child P is signed by Letby, and she says the writing above is not by her.

Dr John Gibbs had reported in his 6pm review for Child P that the baby boy was doing well.

A blood sample taken at 6.35pm taken to a lab showed no signs of infection.

Letby denies overfeeding Child P 'at some point' between 5pm-8pm on June 23.
 
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Sorry to sidetrack but does anyone have any idea of what kind of sentence she would be likely to receive if found guilty....surely a whole life tariff?
 
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She just chats absolute tit
“I collect paper” yesterday
“I forgot I took it home” today

Just duck off
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Sorry to sidetrack but does anyone have any idea of what kind of sentence she would be likely to receive if found guilty....surely a whole life tariff?
Possible WLO, even if she gets life with a minimum term there’s absolutely no way in hell she’s ever coming out
 
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Child P 'took a turn' after his brother died

The prosecution is now moving on to the case of Child P - Child O's triplet brother.


Child P died on 24 June 2016 - a day after his brother - as he was being prepared for transfer to another hospital.

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Do you accept Child P was born in good condition?" Nick Johnson KC, the prosecution barrister, asks.

"Yes," Lucy Letby says.

An examination on 23 June noted Child P's condition as "unremarkable".

But, Mr Johnson claims, events "took a turn" after Child O's death that evening.

"Do you agree?" he asks.

"Yes."

A doctor previously noted that Child P had been doing "Remarkably well for a triplet baby and very well grown."

Blood tests also came back as "entirely normal".
 
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Today’s reading is absolutely draining 😢
It gets more depressing everyday...many moons ago I had a placement on NICU and these babies are so helpless and vulnerable and so tiny and the thought of someone harming them and causing them pain makes my blood run cold....absolute sickening case.
 
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Sorry to sidetrack but does anyone have any idea of what kind of sentence she would be likely to receive if found guilty....surely a whole life tariff?
It surely can't be anything less. Abusing that trust, that profession for her sick pleasure. She is one of todays most prolific serial killers if found guilty.
Anything less is a slap in the face to all of those babies, families and colleagues that she has put through this torment
 
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In my experience as a student nurse, those qualified who were absolutely devoted to their profession loved having students to teach. They embrace it and are so passionate about their work and the work that the future nursing generation will give.

You could always tell the ones who didn't like having students. It was an eye roll here, a huff there because they were constantly under the watchful eye of students who were eager to learn best practice from their mentors.
Forgetby obviously hated having students who were watching her - she couldn't play with death around them!!
There were so many hurdles. The chances of natural conception of 3 babies all sharing one placenta, the chances of a successful pregnancy to a viable gestation, the chances of all being delivered healthy and in good condition and after all that in the space of 2 days that evil murdering witch destroys two healthy babies.
Do we know the gestation of the triplets?
 
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