Lucy Letby Case #32

[tay65]

Didn't she have the vet card in one of her diary's for them?

I think we're confusing Timmy and Tiny Boy. Weren't they her childhood pets. I think Tigger and Smudge were her cats which she had in Chester so they would have had to be rehomed and she probably had the vet card for them in her diary.

 

[mRsKbRoOkS]

Was thinking maybe to shave my head? Or wear a nice floppy hat lol. We aren't sure 100% when we are going but we are going at some point just depends on available child care. I think I'll be able to sniff other tattlers out . She really is proof that you can't judge a book by its cover. Proper freak.

I vote big floppy hat!

 

[MmmB777]

oooo interesting think we need clarification if these were or weren’t childhood pets ….. although didn’t she say she collected paper maybe the paper collecting started in childhood and the weird witch kept a childhood vet card for tigger and smudge

Cats definitely lived with her at the time everything happened.
Whiskey she wrote over and over and was a childhood/parent’s dog.
Tiny Boy apparently a nickname for a childhood dog

 

[mRsKbRoOkS]

I think we're confusing Timmy and Tiny Boy. Weren't they her childhood pets. I think Tigger and Smudge were her cats which she had in Chester so they would have had to be rehomed and she probably had the vet card for them in her diary.

Cats definitely lived with her at the time everything happened.
Whiskey she wrote over and over and was a childhood/parent’s dog.
Tiny Boy apparently a nickname for a childhood dog

Aah thank you that makes sense…… but who the duck writes the names of their childhood pets over and over again years later, I can barely remember the names of mine. O wait forgetby is very good at remembering names though isn’t she just not much else weird weird weird witch!

 

[MmmB777]

Aah thank you that makes sense…… but who the duck writes the names of their childhood pets over and over again years later, I can barely remember the names of mine. O wait forgetby is very good at remembering names though isn’t she just not much else weird weird weird witch!

Yeah it’s definitely very odd. She talks about being lonely and only having Noname and maybe two other people she was ‘allowed’ to talk to. But we know Noname has ditched her by the time she’s writing all the “I loved you and I think you knew that” comments (another thing she’s been lying about). We know she was out with them all Xmas and new year.
She only writes about her mum, dad and the cousins in the I’m evil note. Then it’s all childhood pets and Bergerac Bergerac. Nobody can help her. She can’t talk to anybody. “Nobody will ever know what happened and why”
Seems a bit strange for someone that supposedly had all these friends and an active social life and couldn’t stop texting everybody.

 

[November2019]

Just seen this so ignore my rambling’s about tigger and smudge didn’t realise they were rehomed and childhood pets. Who the duck still goes on about childhood pets to the point she is writing their names over and over again. She is tapped in the head. Honestly she is bleeping weird even if she isn’t a murderous witch.

And she still had their veterinary cards in her diary in 2016

 

[DoseofReality]

You get an I NJ T-shirt, You get an I NJ T-shirt, YOU ALL GET AN I NJ T-SHIRT!!

Letby you get an extra stack of post- it notes to further incriminate yourself. Imagine the scenes if he'd have asked her if she wanted some to help her process her feelings when she asked for a break.

 

[Daisydunn15]

Was thinking maybe to shave my head? Or wear a nice floppy hat lol. We aren't sure 100% when we are going but we are going at some point just depends on available child care. I think I'll be able to sniff other tattlers out . She really is proof that you can't judge a book by its cover. Proper freak.

Yeah wishing I hadn't outed myself as a ginger too, I was thinking of whether I could get down then thought I'm 100% gonna be found as a tattler since so many of us are bleeping ginger. There aren't enough floppy hats in the world for this copper top I mean, work, living nowhere near and looking after a baby are the main reasons I'd struggle to go but the gingerness seals the deal

 

[nichew]

My sons just started anxiety therapy. He is primary school age which is obviously awful he even struggles at this age but when I did the parent interview they asked if he ever hurt animals (he hasn't) but its obviously definitely a major red flag and I'm glad they seem to be more direct with people from a young age so it can be tackled. May prevent some future harm. Would be so interesting looking back at her childhood how she treated animals, how she was viewed at school. If any family friends discussed the weird kid amongst themselves .

I actually said the other day, I wonder if them 2 boy cousions were like forced to make a fuss over her to keep the peace? Can imagine her being a sly little bleep as a kid

 

[gimmethattea]

So awful isn’t it. I don’t think they’d put them together no but who knows
Grantham hospital was chronically understaffed at the time and it’s how Bev got the job despite not having passed all the relevant qualifications. I think she was told one of the things she needed to pass was more experience with poorly children and she took that into her own hands The defence was definitely that the hospital was short staffed and badly run- same as this time round. However, whether that’s true or not, it didn’t account for kids spontaneously going into cardiac arrest or being pumped full of insulin. And it doesn’t in this case either.

Exactly this point.

The defence can argue until they're blue in the face that the hospital was understaffed and babies had poor care, but it doesn't actually equal babies being pumped with air, having serious injuries or purposefully injected with insulin they shouldn't have been.

Even Letby herself has admitted the insulin poisoning was done one purpose and has accepted that air may have purposefully been injected.
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Something I’ve been thinking about.
When Lucy was questioned about the insulin poisoning, which both defence and prosecution agree was a deliberate act.

Lucy was asked if she agrees it was a poisoning to which she agreed.

Then asked if the baby was targeted to which she said no.

Surely she would have answered that like everything else so far.
“I couldn’t answer that”
if she wasn’t the one to add the insulin, maybe she did add it randomly to a bag and it was “chance” it was that baby … feel like she’s admitted to it by saying no the baby wasn’t a target ….
(I cant find the exact transcript for the prosecution cross)

Found it:

Letby is asked if Child E was poisoned with insulin.

"Yes I agree that he had insulin."

"Do you believe that somebody gave it to him unlawfully?"

"Yes."

"Do you believe that someone targeted him?"

"No."

"It was a random act?"

"Yes...I don't know where the insulin came from."

"Do you agree [Child L] was poisoned with insulin?"

"From the blood results, yes."

"Do you agree that someone targeted him specifically?"

"No...I don't know how the insulin got there."

Her answers to me are so weird.
If innocent, wouldn't you be saying you don't know who poisoned them or why. Not that you knew someone didn't specifically target them or know it was a random act.
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Something I’ve been thinking about.
When Lucy was questioned about the insulin poisoning, which both defence and prosecution agree was a deliberate act.

Lucy was asked if she agrees it was a poisoning to which she agreed.

Then asked if the baby was targeted to which she said no.

Surely she would have answered that like everything else so far.
“I couldn’t answer that”
if she wasn’t the one to add the insulin, maybe she did add it randomly to a bag and it was “chance” it was that baby … feel like she’s admitted to it by saying no the baby wasn’t a target ….
(I cant find the exact transcript for the prosecution cross)

Found it:

Letby is asked if Child E was poisoned with insulin.

"Yes I agree that he had insulin."

"Do you believe that somebody gave it to him unlawfully?"

"Yes."

"Do you believe that someone targeted him?"

"No."

"It was a random act?"

"Yes...I don't know where the insulin came from."

"Do you agree [Child L] was poisoned with insulin?"

"From the blood results, yes."

"Do you agree that someone targeted him specifically?"

"No...I don't know how the insulin got there."

Her answers to me are so weird.
If innocent, wouldn't you be saying you don't know who poisoned them or why. Not that you knew someone didn't specifically target them or know it was a random act.

 

[DellaC]

I had a terrible dream about Forgetby last night

Anyway, can anyone in the know confrm what level of observations she will be under? Will she be constantly monitored or because she's on remand will it be more relaxed?

 

[LittleMy]

I tried watching "Dawson's Crack" as my sister calls it again a few years back and duck me, Dawson is a wick. I used to think he was so deep and profound. I also never liked Joey or Jen when I was younger but they totally get my sympathy now! I had to turn it off after 15 mins because I wanted to slap Dawson so hard!

I couldn’t stand Dawson, can fully sympathise with the urge to slap him

 

[DellaC]

Any tattler visiting the court should have a secret sign, so maybe a big T imprinted on their forhead (sequined of course) or a cat in their handbag....or maybe something a bit more subtle....

 

[LittleMy]

That’s a fair shout about family pets though/them digging up the garden. If she’s harmed a cat too she can absolutely rot in hell. We have three and aside from my children the wee shites are my world. Anybody that can hurt an animal can absolutely hurt a child.

 

[tay65]

Any tattler visiting the court should have a secret sign, so maybe a big T imprinted on their forhead (sequined of course) or a cat in their handbag....or maybe something a bit more subtle....View attachment 2183656

You are so funny. I'm trying not to laugh out loud at the kitchen table because I don't want my husband to know I'm on Tattle again he thinks I'm sorting out our accounts and bills.

 

[DellaC]

You are so funny. I'm trying not to laugh out loud at the kitchen table because I don't want my husband to know I'm on Tattle again he thinks I'm sorting out our accounts and bills.

Hahaha ohh I'm sorry...get off here and get your paperwork done (then sneak to the loo and have a catch up)

 

[MmmB777]

I’ve no idea but maybe digging up the garden and paving at the front is routine for someone accused of such serious things? It does seem excessive for what she’s accused of though as they know the victims weren’t hidden at her property . Perhaps they thought equipment she used or vials were though.
Talking of pets..
Just asked my pup if she’s been ripping the tassels off one of my blankets. She said “I can’t recall”
I asked if she knows why several witnesses have said they’ve seen her with tassels in her mouth and she said
“I can’t answer…I can’t answer that”
So I’m calling her Poocy Petby.

 

[DellaC]

I’ve no idea but maybe digging up the garden and paving at the front is routine for someone accused of such serious things? It does seem excessive for what she’s accused of though as they know the victims weren’t hidden at her property . Perhaps they thought equipment she used or vials were though.
Talking of pets..
Just asked my pup if she’s been ripping the tassels off one of my blankets. She said “I can’t recall”
I asked if she knows why several witnesses have said they’ve seen her with tassels in her mouth and she said
“I can’t answer…I can’t answer that”
So I’m calling her Poocy Petby.
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[tay65]

Hahaha ohh I'm sorry...get off here and get your paperwork done (then sneak to the loo and have a catch up)

Good idea. I've also got nothing done in the house the last two days. In a way whilst I'm disappointed I'm also a bit relieved trial's not on until Wednesday gives me time to catch up at home. House needs cleaning, grass needs cutting and I desperately need to do a shop.

 

[coffeeandwine]

That’s a fair shout about family pets though/them digging up the garden. If she’s harmed a cat too she can absolutely rot in hell. We have three and aside from my children the wee shites are my world. Anybody that can hurt an animal can absolutely hurt a child.

I've always just thought the digging up the garden was looking for more evidence related to the babies. She had over 250 handover sheets in her home so I think they just wanted to eliminate all possibilities that she'd hidden things.