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I have never heard of people taking pictures of cards they send or of ones they receive.
If I wanted a memory of a card I'd received, I would keep the card, as I have done.
I find that quite strange behaviour.
If I wanted a memory of a card I'd received, I would keep the card, as I have done.
I find that quite strange behaviour.
See this is so important, people keep saying about other collapses when LL is not there, yes ofc these babies are going to have other incidents it’s literally a high dependency unit, BUT it’s only the non medically explicable ones that matter, any that have a medical cause are NOT suspicious and therefore are completely irrelevant to this trial. I don’t know why some are getting hung up on themI saw this shared on Reddit as a reminder of Child H and why they have charged her with two collapses / attempts when the baby was having other episodes. I haven’t got time at the mo to cross check this with what defence said about collapses yesterday.
Lucy Letby trial - latest: Nurse 'adamant' she's done nothing to harm any of the babies in the case as defence begins
Latest updates on day four of the Lucy Letby trial, with the prosecution showing the court handwritten "confessions" from the nurse in which she allegedly admitted she was "evil", and the defence saying the hospital was "well out of its depth". Letby denies all charges.news.sky.com
The prosecution is now laying out two allegations of attempted murder, which they say took place within the first week of Child H's life.
Child H survived the attacks.
But, Nick Johnson KC says the case is complicated by the "suboptimal treatment Child H received at the start of her life", which included a delay in intubating her and administering a protein to help her lungs.
Additionally, when Child H was put on a ventilator she was not paralysed and was left with "butterfly needles in her chest for prolonged periods".
But they allege "there are two occasions when Lucy Letby tried to kill Child H".
These took place at 3.24am on 26 September 2015 and 12.55am on 27 September - two consecutive night shifts.
In the first incident relating to Child H, the night shift of the 25 into the 26 September, Letby was the baby's designated nurse.
During this shift, Child H required a blood transfusion and constant monitoring - she had suffered previous deteriorations in the days prior, which were medically explainable and not attributed to Letby.
The ICU chart shows Letby gave Child H a dose of morphine at 1.25am and saline at 2.50am.
"Lucy Letby would have had the cover of legitimate treatment of accessing the intravenous lines for Child H just before she collapsed," Nick Johnson KC tells the court.
At 3.22am she suffered a profound collapse and needed full resuscitation.
The attending consultant concluded the "cause was unclear" - unlike previous incidents in which Child H had collapsed.
The following night, Letby was working again but was not the designated nurse for Child H.
Child H is described as being "relatively stable" during the day shift.
Her designated nurse later said she could not recall whether she had taken a break during the shift and could not say whether she had been with Child H at all times - but confirmed there would have been times when she was out of the room.
At 22.53pm and 3.30am, Child H's oxygen levels began to drop profoundly.
The registrar who responded to the emergency call on both occasions said on one - he thinks the latter incident - Letby was activating the neopuff to help Child H breathe and "he assumed she was the baby's designated nurse".
Nick Johnson KC says the baby's designated nurse noted "pink-tinged secretions" around her mouth.
"There was no reason for what was going on," Mr Johnson says.
Child H was transferred to Arrowe Park Hospital in Wirral at 5.25am on 27 September and stabilised in the ambulance en route.
Her mother speaks of her "dramatic improvement as soon as she got to Arrowe Park and her medical records bear out this improvement", Mr Johnson says.
Child H has suffered "no permanent consequences" from the incidents.
But, Mr Johnson says: "As soon as children were removed from the Countess of Chester Hospital, and the sphere of Lucy Letby, they often suddenly and remarkably recovered."
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I would like to see at least a couple, not just one other. Find it totally unbelievable, but at best it’s weird af
Now it's Nicola Dennison.
Eh I missed the part of pulling it out at the plug. Just saying I have seen it done in my previous experience that the monitors have been turned off because most of the time the dr won't know how to change the settings if the nurse isn't there. But I dont believe the dr would agree to this in court if there was no way they did this. And yes I agree that they would have handed over that they got the cannula in
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Do we think she photographed the card she sent to a friend as a weird cover? Would be interested if that happened after she took the photo of the sympathy card. Because if it's a habit surely there are other instances.
Yes, and we already know she’s reluctant to use a shredder!
The evidence by BM yesterday were that the other situations were also very sudden and prolonged. I’m not sure I understand the difference between an ‘expected’ collapse and an unexpected one?See this is so important, people keep saying about other collapses when LL is not there, yes ofc these babies are going to have other incidents it’s literally a high dependency unit, BUT it’s only the non medically explicable ones that matter, any that have a medical cause are NOT suspicious and therefore are completely irrelevant to this trial. I don’t know why some are getting hung up on them
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I would like to see at least a couple, not just one other. Find it totally unbelievable, but at best it’s weird af
Yes, it was said somewhere at the beginning of the case. Actually I think it was ‘turned off at the plug’. Unless I’ve misrememberedEh I missed the part of pulling it out at the plug. Just saying I have seen it done in my previous experience that the monitors have been turned off because most of the time the dr won't know how to change the settings if the nurse isn't there. But I dont believe the dr would agree to this in court if there was no way they did this. And yes I agree that they would have handed over that they got the cannula in
I agree that it’s possible the alarm was off and inadvertently not turned back on again. There was an on/off switch at the back of ours, but then ours were not necessarily what would be used in NICU.
I agree with your 2nd point too.
It wouldn’t surprise me if it was LL that they informed.
As she’s sitting at the nurses station like a big vulture waiting to swoop.
I can understand photographing cards... to a point. I mean, I'm quite sentimental and like to look back on messages and pictures my kids have drawn in Mother's Day cards etc.
Because of that I might take photos of them before recycling them as I don't want the clutter of loads of old cards in the house.
I don't think I've ever taken photos of cards I've sent to people though. Especially not condolence cards! That is weird.
Because of that I might take photos of them before recycling them as I don't want the clutter of loads of old cards in the house.
I don't think I've ever taken photos of cards I've sent to people though. Especially not condolence cards! That is weird.
BM is giving the impression of a very chaotic unit with Band 4 nurses allegedly agreeing to undertake work they are not trained to do. As I am not clinically trained Iam finding it a bit difficult to know whether BM is muddying waters or whether this is showing up serious NICU issues and putting LL in a better light please could clinically trained tattle members give their take on all this.
Jeezo, that voice. I’m sure that actress has doomed her own career through association, unless her voice is actually less whining and bland (I know they have to be neutral). Makes me cringe
“Had 3 missed calls they don't know how to give immunoglobulin and I was last person to give so just phoned and told them”
I don’t believe for one second that this is true, the narc I knew always came out with balls like this and I think LL is one too. Painting the picture already she’s the best at her job and everyone else on the unit is useless.
I don’t believe for one second that this is true, the narc I knew always came out with balls like this and I think LL is one too. Painting the picture already she’s the best at her job and everyone else on the unit is useless.
Trying to catch up with everything.
What strikingly stands out to me so far about taking the stand, is the amount of one word answers: 'no', the number of 'I recall' and similar, and last but not least going against witness statements and the opposite of what colleagues have said/testified.
What would someone who knows they didn't mean to harm anyone but thinks they may well have done inadvertently, through incompetence say, I wonder, maybe elaborate and explain more?
Will have a catch up to the Podcast.
What strikingly stands out to me so far about taking the stand, is the amount of one word answers: 'no', the number of 'I recall' and similar, and last but not least going against witness statements and the opposite of what colleagues have said/testified.
What would someone who knows they didn't mean to harm anyone but thinks they may well have done inadvertently, through incompetence say, I wonder, maybe elaborate and explain more?
Will have a catch up to the Podcast.
I am very surprised she hasn't said she took photos of the cards for her revalidation.
I have pictures of thank you cards as I use them for feedback for my revalidation. It would be a perfect reason.
Band 4 nurses are nursing associates, basically nurses but can't do IVs or controlled drugs ( trust dependent)
Whatever band you shouldn't do anything outside your scope of practise.
I have pictures of thank you cards as I use them for feedback for my revalidation. It would be a perfect reason.
Band 4 nurses are nursing associates, basically nurses but can't do IVs or controlled drugs ( trust dependent)
Whatever band you shouldn't do anything outside your scope of practise.
Pictured: Lucy and her defence team.
I don’t know why she is making a fuss about the stoma like they were being overwhelmed by complex jobs. They are easy (if fiddly) to care for. We have often had patients with conditions outside our usual remit and you are then advised by a specialist nurse or the nurse handing over their care. Or there is google! You then cascade this to other members of staff. Part of your degree is educating others so you can be a mentor to students. Band 4s could care for a stoma no problem. If they are being overseen on other cares then this would just be the same.
I don’t know why they were ringing her outside of work about immunoglobulins though, that is unprofessional. There would be nurses on duty within the hospital who could advise. For example, if there was nobody on our ward with TPN training a member of ITU staff would visit to set it up and take it down. But of course nobody is as good as nurse Letby so she’s had to save the day from los iguanas
I don’t know why they were ringing her outside of work about immunoglobulins though, that is unprofessional. There would be nurses on duty within the hospital who could advise. For example, if there was nobody on our ward with TPN training a member of ITU staff would visit to set it up and take it down. But of course nobody is as good as nurse Letby so she’s had to save the day from los iguanas
So busy she was texting all bloody night.
Plus if she was that concerned about under qualified staff carrying out procedures then she should have completed a datix form. She's something else
Just catching up on the thread, thought it was a lucy letby thread not an alcohol thread. Talk about clogging the thread up
Well it’s nice to have a break over the weekend of discussing a harrowing case. People can skip pages if they don’t like it.
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