That's nursery nurse under the bus as well.
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I believe she means screened (for viruses ie. A viral panel)
Looks like it, her nose is going to be massive by the end of the week
Yes, definitely this about the nurses.
My son was in the children's ward nearly 2 weeks and he had to have a new cannula every 2-3 days.
When was making his hand swell, it was the nurses who were telling the doctors they weren't happy using that cannula anymore and they wanted it replaced.
On the day they let him go home, he had had that many cannula attempts and cannulas, from NICU and them that every attempt failed and it was the nurse who told the doctors to take a break and the second time they tried, it was the nurse who told them to stop because it wasn't going to work and they needed to find an alternative way to deliver the antibiotics.
Those nurses really helped advocate for us.
Not necessarily, if there are 2 doctors there doing a cannulation then maybe the nurse was around for the first couple of attempts or popping their head in but they aren't necessarily needed. For less experienced doctors you would suggest stopping or finding someone else, but this is a consultant. It's very time consuming and if you're overworked and other babies need monitoring and feeding etc, then it's safer to leave the baby getting the procedure with the 2 doctors behind the screen than it is to leave the other babies while you go behind the screen as well.
Also politics and workplace culture play a huge role in not reporting incidents that had no long term negative outcome. I've said I think LL is guilty as sin, but that doesn't mean these kinds of things don't happen in healthcare everyday around the country.
To be fair, the defence have done a good job so far of showing that these babies *did* suffer other sudden desaturations and require assistance *when LL wasn’t there*.
It does muddy the waters somewhat though because if they were all in constant contact then she’d know which babies were causing concerns, so she’d know which ones may well go ‘unnoticed’ for want of a better phrase.
It does muddy the waters somewhat though because if they were all in constant contact then she’d know which babies were causing concerns, so she’d know which ones may well go ‘unnoticed’ for want of a better phrase.
Yeah I feel this is what he is doing by putting her on the stand. It’s not changed how I feel right now as I would like some further medical evidence to explain what they think caused the “unexplainable desaturations” just him explaining she wasn’t there for other desaturations isn’t enough. We know thewere independent reports who found medical explanations for some but not these ones. But I do think it will muddy it for the jury.
I also find it hard to remember what the prosecution said for each baby (all praise the wiki) but as he’s flying through them, I imagine the jury don’t have the ability to run back through all the info they have to compare. I think their deliberations will be VERY long.
I still go back to her being on the stand and actually answering things being massive for me. It wasn’t like she had 1 interview. She had 30. That’s 30 different opportunities to offer all of this and she didn’t…
Edited to add - I also like what someone else posted about how she’s literally saying EVERY witness must be misremembering/wrong but she’s completely accurate yet used “I don’t recall” repeatedly throughout all of this. She’d have been more convincing if she agreed with some of the statements of witnesses but she can’t, because they make Her look VERY guilty
different meaning of ‘screen’ - in those messages her meaning of screened is ‘tested/investigated for underlying infectious cause to illness’.
mine too, they even had to do a scalp IV instead and it was always just silenced. I remember cause the sound never leaves you when you don’t have to work there every day. I’m not convinced about the monitor being off and i’m even less convinced they just abandoned a baby on a trolly and said nothing
also my son had the doc round every day nearly and the nurse was always with them so surely the nurse must haves seen thw baby left on the table
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Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Tuesday, May 16 - defence continues
The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…
Christ, feel like you loose about 7 brain cells going into the FB discussion groups.
Thank god for this group with lots of views and interesting points on all sides … but also you guys seem somewhat STABLE
expect maybe our @DellaC
we love You
Thank god for this group with lots of views and interesting points on all sides … but also you guys seem somewhat STABLE
expect maybe our @DellaC
we love You
Hahahahaha why thank you, you lil tit!Christ, feel like you loose about 7 brain cells going into the FB discussion groups.
Thank god for this group with lots of views and interesting points on all sides … but also you guys seem somewhat STABLE
expect maybe our @DellaC
I saw this shared on Reddit as a reminder of Child H and why they have charged her with two collapses / attempts when the baby was having other episodes. I haven’t got time at the mo to cross check this with what defence said about collapses yesterday.
news.sky.com
The prosecution is now laying out two allegations of attempted murder, which they say took place within the first week of Child H's life.
Child H survived the attacks.
But, Nick Johnson KC says the case is complicated by the "suboptimal treatment Child H received at the start of her life", which included a delay in intubating her and administering a protein to help her lungs.
Additionally, when Child H was put on a ventilator she was not paralysed and was left with "butterfly needles in her chest for prolonged periods".
But they allege "there are two occasions when Lucy Letby tried to kill Child H".
These took place at 3.24am on 26 September 2015 and 12.55am on 27 September - two consecutive night shifts.
In the first incident relating to Child H, the night shift of the 25 into the 26 September, Letby was the baby's designated nurse.
During this shift, Child H required a blood transfusion and constant monitoring - she had suffered previous deteriorations in the days prior, which were medically explainable and not attributed to Letby.
The ICU chart shows Letby gave Child H a dose of morphine at 1.25am and saline at 2.50am.
"Lucy Letby would have had the cover of legitimate treatment of accessing the intravenous lines for Child H just before she collapsed," Nick Johnson KC tells the court.
At 3.22am she suffered a profound collapse and needed full resuscitation.
The attending consultant concluded the "cause was unclear" - unlike previous incidents in which Child H had collapsed.
The following night, Letby was working again but was not the designated nurse for Child H.
Child H is described as being "relatively stable" during the day shift.
Her designated nurse later said she could not recall whether she had taken a break during the shift and could not say whether she had been with Child H at all times - but confirmed there would have been times when she was out of the room.
At 22.53pm and 3.30am, Child H's oxygen levels began to drop profoundly.
The registrar who responded to the emergency call on both occasions said on one - he thinks the latter incident - Letby was activating the neopuff to help Child H breathe and "he assumed she was the baby's designated nurse".
Nick Johnson KC says the baby's designated nurse noted "pink-tinged secretions" around her mouth.
"There was no reason for what was going on," Mr Johnson says.
Child H was transferred to Arrowe Park Hospital in Wirral at 5.25am on 27 September and stabilised in the ambulance en route.
Her mother speaks of her "dramatic improvement as soon as she got to Arrowe Park and her medical records bear out this improvement", Mr Johnson says.
Child H has suffered "no permanent consequences" from the incidents.
But, Mr Johnson says: "As soon as children were removed from the Countess of Chester Hospital, and the sphere of Lucy Letby, they often suddenly and remarkably recovered."
Lucy Letby trial - latest: Nurse 'adamant' she's done nothing to harm any of the babies in the case as defence begins
Latest updates on day four of the Lucy Letby trial, with the prosecution showing the court handwritten "confessions" from the nurse in which she allegedly admitted she was "evil", and the defence saying the hospital was "well out of its depth". Letby denies all charges.
news.sky.com
The prosecution is now laying out two allegations of attempted murder, which they say took place within the first week of Child H's life.
Child H survived the attacks.
But, Nick Johnson KC says the case is complicated by the "suboptimal treatment Child H received at the start of her life", which included a delay in intubating her and administering a protein to help her lungs.
Additionally, when Child H was put on a ventilator she was not paralysed and was left with "butterfly needles in her chest for prolonged periods".
But they allege "there are two occasions when Lucy Letby tried to kill Child H".
These took place at 3.24am on 26 September 2015 and 12.55am on 27 September - two consecutive night shifts.
In the first incident relating to Child H, the night shift of the 25 into the 26 September, Letby was the baby's designated nurse.
During this shift, Child H required a blood transfusion and constant monitoring - she had suffered previous deteriorations in the days prior, which were medically explainable and not attributed to Letby.
The ICU chart shows Letby gave Child H a dose of morphine at 1.25am and saline at 2.50am.
"Lucy Letby would have had the cover of legitimate treatment of accessing the intravenous lines for Child H just before she collapsed," Nick Johnson KC tells the court.
At 3.22am she suffered a profound collapse and needed full resuscitation.
The attending consultant concluded the "cause was unclear" - unlike previous incidents in which Child H had collapsed.
The following night, Letby was working again but was not the designated nurse for Child H.
Child H is described as being "relatively stable" during the day shift.
Her designated nurse later said she could not recall whether she had taken a break during the shift and could not say whether she had been with Child H at all times - but confirmed there would have been times when she was out of the room.
At 22.53pm and 3.30am, Child H's oxygen levels began to drop profoundly.
The registrar who responded to the emergency call on both occasions said on one - he thinks the latter incident - Letby was activating the neopuff to help Child H breathe and "he assumed she was the baby's designated nurse".
Nick Johnson KC says the baby's designated nurse noted "pink-tinged secretions" around her mouth.
"There was no reason for what was going on," Mr Johnson says.
Child H was transferred to Arrowe Park Hospital in Wirral at 5.25am on 27 September and stabilised in the ambulance en route.
Her mother speaks of her "dramatic improvement as soon as she got to Arrowe Park and her medical records bear out this improvement", Mr Johnson says.
Child H has suffered "no permanent consequences" from the incidents.
But, Mr Johnson says: "As soon as children were removed from the Countess of Chester Hospital, and the sphere of Lucy Letby, they often suddenly and remarkably recovered."
I didn't think the prosecution were saying that babies only desaturated around Letby. It’s a special care baby unit, it happens quite frequently, it's why they are in special care to begin with.
My baby desaturated a lot, they were always able to correct it, it wasn't suspicious or unexplained, just a factor of her term like for the majority of the babies in there.
It doesn't mean they are going to die.
My baby desaturated a lot, they were always able to correct it, it wasn't suspicious or unexplained, just a factor of her term like for the majority of the babies in there.
It doesn't mean they are going to die.
Totally agree. She can't even say a room was as dark as everyone else agrees it was. It's Lucy's way or nothing
The student nurse who LL said she was glued to then txt to ( I think) Dr NN that the student was alone when one of the babies collapsed
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Letby said Child O had died on the student's first day of a four-week placement. She adds who was on duty that day.
I hate that card so much! “Your loved one will be remembered with many smiles” 
You could buy a blank card but she chooses this. It’s crass at best and sinister at worst.
You could buy a blank card but she chooses this. It’s crass at best and sinister at worst.
The seven attempts were not all at the same time, they were over a number of hours (hence the 6 hours without fluids) done by Drs of increasing seniority. So obviously would only need to be silenced for the duration of each attempt.
Silencing the alarm, yes. Pulling it out at the plug, unlikely but maybe.
Abandoning an unstable baby behind screens without informing another staff member they had finished the procedure successfully and the baby could now receive fluids? No.
Ashley Hudson's under the bus now, implying Ashley was at the cot side and Lucy then 'helping her'
@Tofino two questions that I forgot to ask you, first are you planning on going back to court a day again? And second does Lucy sound anything like the voice we get for her on the podcast? Been dying to know
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