Lucy Letby Case #3

[JarvisCockerSpaniel]

If she is guilty, she’s so cruel to allow this long trial to go on and put the families through all this trauma it’s so hard to hear the reports as a normal person, I can’t imagine how someone who’s been affected directly feels having to go through this

But IF she’s an actual murdering psychopath, it fits that she would absolutely want a trial. She gets to hear experts pour over the detail, witness impact statements, a detailed timeline of her acts, an analysis of her personality and motives, the knowledge that the press will be extensively reporting on it…. For some murderers, this is as good as a successful west-end run where they are the main star and everyone has to take their seats to listen. The thought process behind will be a million miles away from what someone without that physiological make up will be able to comprehend.

 

[crumpets2]

Facebook search on the year anniversary of child O passing. Sorry no this is too much.

 

[StrawberryCream]

Has any info been released on her background/family life?

her parents have a pretty big age gap of 10+ years iirc

Is that supposed to mean something?… My husband and I have 14 year age gap, hope that doesn’t mean our daughters are going to end up as murderers

 

[avabella]

If the circumstances around babies F, G, H and I collapses were so highly unusual and had no context or explanations - why was it not dealt with then?? Why are we on letter Q for god sake!

 

[cee-bee]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned but the prosecuting Barrister is a specialist in Financial fraud cases and not murder whereas LL's defence has experience in murder cases.
I wonder why the CPS chose that particular Barrister for a high profile murder case like this when it's not his speciality.
It's puts the whole case at risk imo.

I’m guessing because financial fraud cases are long, drawn out, methodical and pretty boring.

he’ll be skilled and experienced in handling the huge amount of data, in ways that a barrister who specialises in murder cases might not be.

I’m guessing the sheer amount of evidence in this trial, combined with the time, needed someone who is used to dealing with that.

it’s not easy to find criminal barristers either - especially for six month. The pay and working conditions are horrendous.

 

[marypoppins21]

Managed to keep up to date with both the court transcripts & this thread today! So fast moving!! Still on the fence. Only because this is a long long process & we have only heard one side or in fact the opening statements & no supporting evidence. I think the expert witnesses will be key to the unreasonable doubt the jury will need before deliberation & a verdict given. Very disturbing statements read out by the prosecution today but that’s their job & it’s how it would be presented in any case brought to court. The fact she searched for families of one of the deceased children on an anniversary is a red flag but this could be because she remembered the child’s passing. I’m not sure I can convince myself that’s true but lots of evidence / timelines haven’t been presented yet. Thank you to the nurses providing a valuable insight. Tattle can often get a bad name but & I think apart from the odd derail everyone has a balanced view. Take care guys & girls. It’s heavy & I have first hand of a babies death in our family when our grandson died of SIDS aged 7 months. I will probably dip in & out of this if my own mental health becomes an issue. As a person working in a court I’m interested in the judicial process.

 

[Skellig]

Fascinating case. My Dad had a colleague in med school who joked about hurting patients when he qualified. Dad recorded him twice within 2 weeks saying it and handed it into the head of the school and the Gardai. He was expelled from med school after a full psych evaluation. Best thing my dads ever done.

 

[Stiltoncheese]

The awful thing is, I imagine most of the actual evidence isn't shared with parents etc as to not risk prejudicing the trial before it starts. Therefore, whilst they might have a rough idea of how many attempts etc, I assume they will be hearing a lot of the details for the first time in court.

It's almost like a double trauma, re-living their death or near death and also the awful circumstances surrounding it

 

[maytoseptember]

Just want to jump in and say we need to be wary of people claiming to be doctors/nurses/other professionals or claiming to be related to them. Tattle has a few fantasist posters and I’ve noticed one in this thread, naming no names

 

[brightonbarbie]

Can we please stop talking about her being a white woman. It’s irrelevant and mentioning her skin colour is making me feel uncomfortable.

Her ethnicity is absolutely relevant. White middle class women are less commonly convicted of offences and are statistically more likely to be viewed sympathetically by juries and the public. Imagine it was a black young male nurse, do you think half of Tattle would consider him as nothing more than a scapegoat?

 

[JGirl1]

I have been following this case and the thread for a few days and I have found most of the posts enlightening and well put, which is helpful when you don't have a medical background. BUT... at the same time, I have a child with 'invisible' disabilities and conditions and have had so many encounters with medical professionals who are dismissive, rude and downright convinced that she/I am being dramatic that I am horrified by how many people have freely admitted looking up patients online to be 'nosey'. As if we didn't feel we could trust the medical community a lot of the time already, this just astounds me. How dare anyone think that they are entitled to do that? And don't give me that bollocks about only being human - there is no way you can persuade me that looking up patients and their families is ethical or acceptable within that profession. There would be little to find on my social media as I rarely use it anyway, but the idea of someone snooping and laughing at my family when we have come to you for help beggars belief. What a shitty realisation to have come to.

 

[catlady29]

I honestly think it was for show, not the entire search but the extraness of it. Gardens get dug for bodies, I doubt they were looking for bodies of the babies in her garden. Makes her look guilty in the public eye 'they wouldn't be searching for nothing'. Just my opinion of course and I could be wrong but I cant shake off this feeling she hasn't done this.

I don't think they'd have dug the garden for show, I think they'd have to have a pretty solid reason and justification for doing such a thing, however I also don't think they have dug for bodies, perhaps looking for buried evidence, maybe a neighbour has reported unusual activities in the garden, maybe she'd Google searched something related to burying something, all v strange. Still firmly on the fence myself.

 

[amb1505]

I know this is a bit of a given and been said so many times but HOW ON EARTH did so many babies die and suffer before it got suspicious?!?? I mentioned I worked on a geriatric ward for a while and even when somebody who was really old and ill died, the death was still reviewed to make sure all correct procedures were followed and there was no suspicion. The families were often really strict making reports to the cqc and wanting these deaths properly investigated, and I’m talking deaths of patients who were sometimes like 100 years old, had heart failure, had had strokes, struggled to swallow etc… my point is, I can only imagine how distraught new parents would be in this situation and how much they’d want to know exactly why their child died… I just don’t understand how it all went on for so long

 

[French toast]

The detail about sending the card and then taking a photo of it fits with collecting 'trophies' which is common with serial killers. I can't think of another reasonable justification for taking a photo of a card in these circumstances.

 

[CoffeeandCookies]

Now this is a red flag

 

[cee-bee]

Can we please stop talking about her being a white woman. It’s irrelevant and mentioning her skin colour is making me feel uncomfortable.

its very relevant though.

and not just that she’s white. Shes young, blonde, bubbly, middle-class, educated… she doesn’t fit the profile of criminality and especially not serial killing.

which A. Likely helped her evade suspicion for a long time and;

B. Is terrifying to collective society. The U.K. attaches (wrongly, imo) moral value to being middle class and educated, if convicted - LL challenges this.

whether you’re concious of it or not, the fact she’s a middle class, attractive, educated woman committing this crime is as shocking to society as the cruelty of killing babies is.

 

[dustyrhodes]

Bit of a tangent, but LL seems to be a bit of a law unto herself in work, challenging the senior midwife when not getting to look after a baby she requested, then going to that baby during her shift, also incidents of involving herself with other babies care that she wasn't designated too. She sounds like a bit of a pain in the arse on the ward tbh, maybe thinking she was the oracle. We've all come across those folk who think if they speak we should all listen those folk are hard to manage.

 

[Mascaragirl]

I’m not really finding this evidence ‘circumstantial’ ? It’s not just a couple times she’s been seen with a baby as they’ve turned seriously ill, or just searched their families once, or just a couple babies with suspected air and insulin poisoning. There’s a pattern showing- and as the trial continues this can become solid with more evidence from the prosecution. Not sure how any of this is just on circumstantial basis right now.

 

[cee-bee]

Just caught up with everything. I think like everyone has said it’s only been the beginning for the prosecution. It’s like a slow release. I strongly believe they will drop a massive bomb nearing the end! This is all “setting the scene “ for something bigger that hasn’t been made public.

court rooms don’t do this. They aren’t theatres designed for entertainment. 7 babies lost their lives here.

 

[SamPam]

So she sent child I's parents a sympathy card, and had a picture of it saved on her phone? Well that's sinister.