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I feel exactly the same. I also really really want to know what happened to her cats. The fact that she is a cat lady sways me a bit (. I am a sad b I know). but I think she is guilty, I think there is no other explanation
Last I heard the cats were in counselling and weekly AA meetings. Smudge is in talks to sell his story to the Daily Mail.
It’s weird isn’t it because if we go back to Wayne cousins, being a police officer, no one really spoke out saying “I don’t believe he could have done this” yet people have done from the bat with LL. Is it because of her job role? The fact she’s female? The fact she’s conventionally attractive & shes white? Is it her victim demographic?
Goes back to the conversations we’ve had on here about there is some psychological research about how “attractive” someone is & how you view them more positively… think Ted Bundy as well, he was “attractive” to many of his victims which is how he managed to lure the ones he did in that method - they didn’t think, even after hearing the news about a killer, someone as attractive as him could be killer. Very interesting research on it if you’re ever bored haha - beauty bias/attractiveness bias
Were her cats rehomed?
Also a cat lady and they did cross my mind.
Also a cat lady and they did cross my mind.
Now ma'am...
I imagine him like that hapless vet on League of Gentlemen
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN - she’s a young white woman with blonde hair
Some of the most physically beautiful people are absolute guys from hell, I know a few. Not that I’m saying LL or TB are/were beautiful (not by my standards at least).
Like John Wayne Gacy.
No it doesn't. I'm trying to think what I would write if a baby had died under my care. I mean at the point she wrote it was presumably before she was arrested so had no idea what was going to happen. Say it happened at the point she felt she was being blamed. I would have written something like 'how on earth did that happen, did I do anything wrong'. But I'm not prone to frantic scribbles so am unlikely to have written anything. I don't think there is an innocent explanation for that sentence.
Stunnin’
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I still can’t get over why she would worry in July 2016 that the police would get involved when all they did at that stage was redeploy her. When questioned about it she didn’t even say ‘the ‘guys’ were accusing me of murder so of course I was worried about the police getting involved and believing them over me’
She just fluffed about competency and NMC might get involved and she didn’t know if NMC would contact the police.
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She just fluffed about competency and NMC might get involved and she didn’t know if NMC would contact the police.
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I’ve got PTSD from all the hot pink.
Cheers Lucy.
Cheers Lucy.
I’ve said it before but imo if she looked like Fred West, absolutely nobody would be analysing the words “I killed them on purpose because I’m evil” from an innocent perspective.
ETA I’m absolutely gorgeous and a total bleep so I get this theory completely xoxo
If she was worrying all the way back in 2016 she knows she murdered those poor babies there's no other reason she would worry about police involvement other than she's guilty as sin. Besides why would an innocent person worry if they had done no wrong as it would be shown said innocent person had done no wrong.
In short lock the witch up and throw away the key. Toodaloo muthafucka as the meme goes lol
In short lock the witch up and throw away the key. Toodaloo muthafucka as the meme goes lol
I completely agree with the bias aspect and think it comes down to multiple factors, not just their attractiveness (or lack thereof
).A male suspected of sexual violence isn't hard to believe given that it's predominantly males that commit these offences. Add in to that, that he's in the police which is seen as a position of authority/power, makes it more believable. He had the opportunity to deceive and manipulate. With so much police attention on corruption and misconduct, it was an easy sell to the public.
With LL, a lot of it will come down to the fact she's a female and a nurse. Female serial killers are less common, and less likely to be immediately suspected of multiple murders. Add in that she's a nurse, those in a caring profession, while in a position of power and authority are more linked with a nurturing view rather than being seen as manipulative or deceptive. This makes it much harder for people to go against their initial impressions and bias.
The media have a lot to answer for in how they influence perception. For example, if it was ceremonial swords rather than snow white in her room, she'd be vilified. Dyed black hair, head to toe tattoo's and they'd be trying to say she was into the occult and the babies were sacrifices, just because they can.
MateDo you think it is likely babies days from going home are unhealthy and go into cardiac arrest?
Do you think it is likely that 32+ week babies die extremely suddenly? They gulp air to death.
Do you think it’s likely babies die from a mild/moderate infection they were recovering from without soft signs of an infection in the immediate run up to their death?
Do you think babies that have mild haemophilia that hasn’t caused them problems before or since are unhealthy?
Do you think it’s likely for a baby born extremely premature to overcome the first few weeks of their life, be progressing to almost having immunisations or going home, to suddenly be near death at all or repeatedly when treated by one nurse in particular?
Do you think it’s likely for a pink, 10/10 score, slightly preterm baby to die and for its brother to die the next day and it be inconclusive or put down to prematurity?
I could go on and on.
How likely can it all be unrelated to a poisoner at work on the ward? And then how likely can it be that she is always there for these unlikely, unexpected and sudden events?
it is possible isn’t it but it’s highly highly unlikely. It’s not probable. And it is then even more unlikely to say that one person is there for all of that and it is just by chance. That people other than her were at the time absolutely concerned and saying these things did not make sense medically. This one person always there, that is also strange, has also been noted doing strange things several times by multiple witnesses (not caring for her designated babies but hanging around death, telling someone else off for alerting docs to get help, being around alarms not going, being around babies that are paralysed by drugs but pull their tubes out, again could go on and on).
Every baby in the unit needed specialist care, this isn’t the same as being unhealthy or at deaths door. They are vulnerable and they require medicalised care in order to survive and flourish and that care can’t be given at home. Some of it can be trusted to parents when they can be there but other things are medicalised and require close monitoring because it’s little babies they’re dealing with. Nobody is saying they’re not vulnerable. They’re even vulnerable to sudden problems- but again almost always these will have medical explanations like heart defects or awful congenital conditions. In a level 2 unit, the vast majority of these babies are not very sick because they’d be transferred out or will get to go home once a certain weight/age/had checks.
You’re talking about Letby as if she has rational thinking and you can’t do that. I agree with @Tofino there are a huge amount of reasons she could have done what she did and it’s not evidence of innocence that she used varying methods! We don’t know that her search history won’t be revealed at some point but that BM hasn’t had it thrown out. We do know she was reading a book that contained grief of a parent losing a baby in a medicalised way- if she was searching stories like that on Google would it be suspicious? Hand on heart, I would guess everyone that explains away all of the prosecution evidence we’ve heard, would explain away google searches too. Maybe she was doing research for her job.. maybe she looked at this as part of trauma therapy.. maybe someone else used the computer 🫣
Honestly mate I really respect you actually just saying what you think and why. But the ten other deaths thing is not a thing. 17 babies in the case not 17 deaths. And don’t @ me with that little cropped table with the numbers that don’t even work for the babies we’ve heard about again pal cos I’ve seen it enough timesif there were ten more deaths involving medical negligence we’d have heard about them.
If I were you and interested in this enough to be here, I would familiarise yourself with other cases of health care murder. You’re absolutely right, working with notes and retrospection makes an already difficult case, even more complex. The management have a lot to answer for for letting this drag on so long prior to involving police. These cases are hard to prove. But we have seen here almost picture perfect case of how it is proved beyond reasonable doubt. there are a lot more than retrospective notes, there are time stamped medical records, X-rays. They are cross referencing things multiple ways, phone records, computer usage, door data. It isn’t all wrong.
There wasn’t seven years gone by when internal investigations found no reason these babies died in the manner they did. The investigations were on going to the point police got involved. You bring up the original PMs but they are sketchy as duckevery medical murder victim is explained normally until the murderer is caught.
No serial medical murders are not cut and dry at all they’re complex to prove and that is largely because their victims are vulnerable for obvious reasons. They are often caught because they kill a less vulnerable person. Old lady after heart surgery cardiac arresting and dying.. not going to raise eyebrows. Young man after routine surgery.. going to begin to. Little old ladies dying.. meh normal. Little old ladies dying after having just been to the shops and chatting with family and then having a house call from Dr Death.. yeah bit odd. Two healthy triplets in two days. Honestly some of the cases of health care serial killers are baffling but it’s happened many times!
We’re not going to convince each other anyways. I respect your honesty in what you think.
If I am ever accused of anything, personal or work wise I want you as my solicitor. Total chefs kiss
I would worry if the police was involved even if there was rumours of them even if I want innocent
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