I don’t think changing methods is a good way to avoid detection. I mean from air to insulin to trauma as a murder method as a means of not getting caught is a ludicrous decision and just can’t be the case imo. I really don’t think she has the level of intelligence needed to commit these crimes, she’s too weird and impulsive to not slip up somewhere, I also would have expected some internet search history to be relevant. If she’s dumb enough to kill babies and search for their parents on Facebook she’s not above some sort of incriminating internet search,
I just feel like the prosecution kind of want it both ways a little bit. In one breath she’s so calculated and cunning she’s changing methods, forging notes and all that. but in another she’s also stupid enough to triple the death rate of the ward, in the first month she causes a years worth of deaths all whilst she’s on shift? It just seems ridiculous to me. They also want to say she attacked sick babies to avoid detection and exploited their individual health issues but then there are “perfectly healthy” babies that die in the case too, so it just seems a little bit like they’re making it fit whenever it suits them
with all the other cases you’ve mentioned I’m not familiar with them all but as a general rule I’d say serial murder trials must produce some of the most compelling evidence, most serial murder trials are pretty cut and dry. When the evidence starts it becomes undeniably obvious that they’ve done whatever is alleged. I personally don’t know of any serial killer trials that get this deep and they’re still a fair argument for both sides, like I’ve said ultimately Id need a little bit more before I locked someone up for life
Do you think it is likely babies days from going home are unhealthy and go into cardiac arrest?
Do you think it is likely that 32+ week babies die extremely suddenly? They gulp air to death.
Do you think it’s likely babies die from a mild/moderate infection they were recovering from without soft signs of an infection in the immediate run up to their death?
Do you think babies that have mild haemophilia that hasn’t caused them problems before or since are unhealthy?
Do you think it’s likely for a baby born extremely premature to overcome the first few weeks of their life, be progressing to almost having immunisations or going home, to suddenly be near death at all or repeatedly when treated by one nurse in particular?
Do you think it’s likely for a pink, 10/10 score, slightly preterm baby to die and for its brother to die the next day and it be inconclusive or put down to prematurity?
I could go on and on.
How likely can it all be unrelated to a poisoner at work on the ward? And then how likely can it be that she is always there for these unlikely, unexpected and sudden events?
it is possible isn’t it but it’s highly highly unlikely. It’s not probable. And it is then even more unlikely to say that one person is there for all of that and it is just by chance. That people other than her were at the time absolutely concerned and saying these things did not make sense medically. This one person always there, that is also strange, has also been noted doing strange things several times by multiple witnesses (not caring for her designated babies but hanging around death, telling someone else off for alerting docs to get help, being around alarms not going, being around babies that are paralysed by drugs but pull their tubes out, again could go on and on).
Every baby in the unit needed
specialist care, this isn’t the same as being unhealthy or at deaths door. They are vulnerable and they require medicalised care in order to survive and flourish and that care can’t be given at home. Some of it can be trusted to parents when they can be there but other things are medicalised and require close monitoring because it’s little babies they’re dealing with. Nobody is saying they’re not vulnerable. They’re even vulnerable to sudden problems- but again almost always these will have medical explanations like heart defects or awful congenital conditions. In a level 2 unit, the vast majority of these babies are not very sick because they’d be transferred out or will get to go home once a certain weight/age/had checks.
You’re talking about Letby as if she has rational thinking and you can’t do that. I agree with
@Tofino there are a huge amount of reasons she could have done what she did and it’s not evidence of innocence that she used varying methods! We don’t know that her search history won’t be revealed at some point but that BM hasn’t had it thrown out. We do know she was reading a book that contained grief of a parent losing a baby in a medicalised way- if she was searching stories like that on Google would it be suspicious? Hand on heart, I would guess everyone that explains away all of the prosecution evidence we’ve heard, would explain away google searches too. Maybe she was doing research for her job.. maybe she looked at this as part of trauma therapy.. maybe someone else used the computer 🫣
Honestly mate I really respect you actually just saying what you think and why. But the ten other deaths thing is not a thing. 17 babies in the case not 17 deaths. And don’t @ me with that little cropped table with the numbers that don’t even work for the babies we’ve heard about again pal cos I’ve seen it enough times
if there were ten more deaths involving medical negligence we’d have heard about them.
If I were you and interested in this enough to be here, I would familiarise yourself with other cases of health care murder. You’re absolutely right, working with notes and retrospection makes an already difficult case, even more complex. The management have a lot to answer for for letting this drag on so long prior to involving police. These cases are hard to prove. But we have seen here almost picture perfect case of how it is proved beyond
reasonable doubt. there are a lot more than retrospective notes, there are time stamped medical records, X-rays. They are cross referencing things multiple ways, phone records, computer usage, door data. It isn’t all wrong.
There wasn’t seven years gone by when internal investigations found no reason these babies died in the manner they did. The investigations were on going to the point police got involved. You bring up the original PMs but they are sketchy as
duck 
every medical murder victim is explained normally until the murderer is caught.
No serial medical murders are not cut and dry at all they’re complex to prove and that is largely because their victims are vulnerable for obvious reasons. They are often caught because they kill a less vulnerable person. Old lady after heart surgery cardiac arresting and dying.. not going to raise eyebrows. Young man after routine surgery.. going to begin to. Little old ladies dying.. meh normal. Little old ladies dying after having just been to the shops and chatting with family and then having a house call from Dr Death.. yeah bit odd. Two healthy triplets in two days. Honestly some of the cases of health care serial killers are baffling but it’s happened many times!
We’re not going to convince each other anyways. I respect your honesty in what you think.
probably next to the acid barrel in the corner and the skull on the bedside table. 
