Lucy Letby case #28

[FastAndTheCurious7]

I see Dr NN as much older. Balding. Thin and lanky. Not a looker.

This what your imaging

 

[Cheddar Chalpupa]

I can understand people maybe being unsure until closing arguments (kinda, i mean we're not the jury so no harm in giving your gut feeling) but don't forget absolutely everything that she is going to be asked over the next few days/week by the defence is very carefully curated by a man who is incredibly skilled at his job, and his team of however many people. The defence aren't going to ask anything or make her say anything that they think will make her look guilty. The questions will be vague, they will skip over things (example she didn't clarify anything about the "I did this" note) that don't fit her defence. Then the prosecution will come along and ask whatever they need to know the truth about.

 

[Lucyxxxx]

This what your imaging

Pretty much yes!!!! His bit of struggle hair going grey though. Got a hunch he's a fair bit older. Perhaps reminds her of her dad abit?

 

[Cheddar Chalpupa]

I think it's mental that someone's written that teddies on her bed means she can't be a murderer Different strokes for different folks I guess...

I would say the opposite tbh, I can't be doing with adults that like teddies. I barely even let my kids have them, one in two out rule in our house.

 

[Tofino]

I think sometimes it’s just the frustration coming out of people who have followed this really close, looked into these types of murders to then hear “there is no evidence” which is absolutely fair btw if you think that. But then I think the frustration comes in “what more do you want” for a murder like this. They’re not the same as your typical murder unfortunately - not as cut and dry.

I do like hearing other views. I find it fascinating that we all haven’t come to the same conclusions & I do wonder if any of us solid guilty parties will waver as the defence continue - I’ve already said I’m a firm guilty but if the medical evidence the defence present is enough I could sway however I’m VERY doubtful of that right now. It would take a lot

ETA - I’m also not envious of the jury but I do think they’ll have much more detailed info (possibly that answers a lot of the unsure/NG camps stuff) to make their judgement on

For me to have reasonable doubt at this stage I would want defence to present medical expert evidence that the poor care a specific baby received (ie 4 hours without fluids for baby A) would cause the collapse and death of the baby. Because this is the suggestion when people say she’s being scapegoated or the hospital was failing and that’s why the babies died. I need evidence of that being a possible cause of death specifically to have doubt over the cause of death.

Ben Myers and Lucy Letby saying ‘understaffed, busy, more complex needs than normal, doctors didn’t come quick enough’ isn’t going to cut it. I’m not going to ignore actual tangible medical evidence from the prosecution for general suggestions from the defence.

and even if they have an expert, I will still be weighing that up over 5/6 experts from prosecution.

I would also have reasonable doubt if there was evidence that Lucy can’t possibly have been present. But that’s definitely not going to happen as I think she’s admitted she was there for them all.

I’m really not bothered about how many other people she searched on Facebook - in the same way it’s not a smoking gun, it’s also not enough for me to have doubt over other evidence.

 

[abelleza]

I don’t think anyone here thinks the Facebook searches are a smoking gun or prove her guilt in isolation to anything else. They just see it as suspicious and sinister behaviour in context to other evidence.

I think the point I’m trying to make is being missed. I’m trying to address the repeated comments that because Lucy did something that plenty of us do (Facebook stalk) that it’s not suspicious behaviour. That it’s normal behaviour. But people are looking at it in isolation regardless of how clear or not other evidence is.

If you look in isolation at Wayne Couzens buying rubble bags it doesn’t prove his guilt. and it’s something plenty of us do that is normal behaviour. But I use this as an example because we know for fact it wasn’t a normal behaviour on that day and were purchased for sinister reasons.

Yes his other evidence is far clearer and more tangible plus he pleaded guilty. But that wasn’t the comparison i was making. If the other evidence was less clear him buying rubble bags around the event would still be seen as suspicious if he was on trial for murder and form part of the collection of evidence.

Yes but I suppose anything you do when being accused of murder can look suspicious. You can read whatever you want into most things.
Saying that, writing ‘I’m evil I did this’ doesn’t have much of an innocent explanation does it?

 

[Okgolightly]

I would say the opposite tbh, I can't be doing with adults that like teddies. I barely even let my kids have them, one in two out rule in our house.

I’m jealous of your teddy discipline, we are overrun by my daughter’s cuddly toys I managed to get rid of the six foot dinosaur my MIL bought her thankfully…

 

[FastAndTheCurious7]

I’ve been in the guilty camp since the beginning of this trial when Ben said “there sits a woman who says this isn’t her fault” not “there sits a woman who is innocent and wrongly accused” I don’t know why that has always stuck with me, yesterday she contradicted herself many times and gave different answers to those in her police interviews. Ben trying to paint the picture of poor little Lucy didn’t cast any doubt in my mind, in fact it cemented her guilt even more. Talking about her journey to and from court etc is just fluffing, and trying to distract the jury away from what’s important. I’m willing to be proven wrong and have my mind changed but for now I’m not being swayed.

 

[Tofino]

Yes but I suppose anything you do when being accused of murder can look suspicious. You can read whatever you want into most things.
Saying that, writing ‘I’m evil I did this’ doesn’t have much of an innocent explanation does it?

Yes of course. But people are literally saying Lucy searching people on Facebook isn’t suspicious because they do it too

but it shouldn’t be ignored she is searching the families repeatedly, some years later, of babies she’s accused of murdering. That is suspicious at this stage, and if she is guilty (which you know I think she is) then it’s incredibly sinister and ghoulish she is doing that!

 

[Deeznutslol]

I think Insulin is likely to be treated as a controlled drug after this trial.

I doubt it because realistically, she could’ve contaminated the bag and caused an overdose with pretty much any drug she had access to as a nurse working in a hospital.

 

[daisy2809]

i can't understand how anyone thinks she's anything but guilty

 

[DellaC]

This what your imaging

Well the menopause had dried up my old minge but I can report the drought is now over

 

[Cheddar Chalpupa]

Yes of course. But people are literally saying Lucy searching people on Facebook isn’t suspicious because they do it too

but it shouldn’t be ignored she is searching the families repeatedly, some years later, of babies she’s accused of murdering. That is suspicious at this stage, and if she is guilty (which you know I think she is) then it’s incredibly sinister and ghoulish she is doing that!

Especially the way she grouped them. I made a post months ago about it, but to summarise there should have been nothing in common with some of the searches she did on the same day. It wasn't babies who died, because some hadn't, it wasn't babies she'd treated because some she hadn't - there should have been no reason for her to think of them at the same time, within minutes.

I think they point strongly to her guilt, not that she did the searches, but the way she did them.

 

[Lucyxxxx]

Her evidence is kind of reminding me of the other week when Tommy Cashman was giving his evidence. Albeit he went no comment in his police interviews no explination at the time but on the stand he could account for everything. Dunno maybe they were swapping tips in the holding cells?

 

[LittleMy]

My house is like a build a bear factory with teddies (I have children with asd who are obsessed with collecting them, they’re not mine! ) so I applaud your ruthlessness @Cheddar Chalpupa

 

[Runninggems]

Right I’m beginning to feel maybe I’m no normal - no one else found themselves balls deep in your pals exes cousins sisters neighbours holiday photos from 2002 and wondered if they enjoyed Lanzarote?

Me I have

 

[Lucyxxxx]

My house is like a build a bear factory with teddies (I have children with asd who are obsessed with collecting them, they’re not mine! ) so I applaud your ruthlessness @Cheddar Chalpupa

My ASD child is obsessed with cleaning products lmao.

 

[thaliamay]

I'm firmly in the guilty camp, however please don't lynch me for this as I read everyone thinks the opposite - am I too nice a person that I can't see a bad person in front of me? She sounds like she might be innocent by the way she talks(I know it's no indicator and it sounds rehearsed) I'm so confused as I do feel she is guilty despite this. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say. I guess we don't know what a baby killer would sound like/say.

 

[FlowerPower987]

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I get this. I've been a nurse for years and I would absolutely love to think that not a single nurse anywhere in the country would ever do this. But sadly nursing (and medicine) can attract these rare individuals who do want to cause harm. Usually because they have deep psych issues of their own. They may not even come into nursing because they wish to harm patients, but when the opportunity presents itself as it did to Letby with these vulnerable babies, that can tip them over. My own feeling is that she gloried in the attention she got fro m being the one to notice how poorly they were and to play a part in saving them. Having a really poorly patient is an adrenaline rush, it has to be so that you're working on heightened senses, maybe she got off on that and when it didn't happen naturally, she missed the excitement and made it happen for herself. I dunno I am speculating here, but I do think she is guilty.

Fellow nurse of 28 years here, and I absolutely agree with this!
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Fellow nurse of 28 years here, and I absolutely agree with this!

Edit eant to say 18* years not 28 years lol, I’m currently holding my sleeping 6 month old, so it’s hard to type!

 

[IGiveUp22]

For me to have reasonable doubt at this stage I would want defence to present medical expert evidence that the poor care a specific baby received (ie 4 hours without fluids for baby A) would cause the collapse and death of the baby. Because this is the suggestion when people say she’s being scapegoated or the hospital was failing and that’s why the babies died. I need evidence of that being a possible cause of death specifically to have doubt over the cause of death.

Ben Myers and Lucy Letby saying ‘understaffed, busy, more complex needs than normal, doctors didn’t come quick enough’ isn’t going to cut it. I’m not going to ignore actual tangible medical evidence from the prosecution for general suggestions from the defence.

and even if they have an expert, I will still be weighing that up over 5/6 experts from prosecution.

I would also have reasonable doubt if there was evidence that Lucy can’t possibly have been present. But that’s definitely not going to happen as I think she’s admitted she was there for them all.

I’m really not bothered about how many other people she searched on Facebook - in the same way it’s not a smoking gun, it’s also not enough for me to have doubt over other evidence.

I 100% agree with you here. This is what I would need from them, to say that either the poor care or that there was other possible causes, backed up by evidence, that haven’t been considered by the other experts.
I’m needing a lot here for the reasonable doubt.

If they do bring that to the table then I’ll need to have a think which evidence I think is the strongest but I’m not sure how the could trump the prosecution for me at the min.

I pray that she does fall apart massively on the stand (although I think she’s already ducked up by offering explanations for things she didn’t in interview, honest/innocent people don’t do this) just so it’s clearer for the jury!