Lucy Letby case #28

[Haveyouanywool]

Do we know when she was first suspended? It says 18 months but is that 18 months since she was first suspended or how long the suspension is in place for.

No, but wasn’t it said yesterday that she received a letter from the NMC stating the allegations? Although why they would be the body to inform her , unless it was potential unintentional harm they were informing her of, instead of criminal charges.
Or am I wrong?

 

[F1Grid]

No, but wasn’t it said yesterday that she received a letter from the NMC stating the allegations? Although why they would be the body to inform her , unless it was potential unintentional harm they were informing her of, instead of criminal charges.
Or am I wrong?

It was the RCN, so the union. NMC is the regulator, like the BMA vs the GMC for doctors.

 

[Tofino]

2020 is when the NMC put the first in I think!

Oh so when she was charged rather than first arrested. I suppose she had already been removed from patients. But being arrested and released on bail pending investigation (would she have been on bail the entire time until she was charged?) you would think would be enough to suspend someone.

 

[DellaC]

Is it Friday yet?

I was meant to have a girls lunch date and I've cancelled

We can forsee how the day is going to go, they've already hinted that her memory in relation to the babies is limited (slyly adding in that some other witnesses had forgotten some detail so thats her perfect excuse), its going to be a day of memory loss, denial, self pity, deflection and then anything she doesn't fancy answering she'll just swerve.

 

[Haveyouanywool]

It was the RCN, so the union. NMC is the regulator, like the BMA vs the GMC for doctors.

Oh, thanks. Don’t know where I got the idea it was the NMC.
So potentially she could have looked for a job elsewhere as she was still on the register?
Or were there restrictions like requiring supervision?
Edited: I believe BA worked in a Nursing Home when on ?bail, and got up to some stuff there too.

 

[F1Grid]

Oh, thanks. Don’t know where I got the idea it was the NMC.
So potentially she could have looked for a job elsewhere as she was still on the register?
Or were there restrictions like requiring supervision?

She wrote in a note about not being able to go to AH which is a common acronym for Alder Hey Childrens Hospital around here, so I think she was having a look at moving and was stopped.

NMC were aware of the concerns and probably investigating, they'd have probably blocked her if she'd tried moving while those kind of investigations were ongoing. The DBS check she'd have had would have had the police notifying the hospital too.

 

[Haveyouanywool]

She wrote in a note about not being able to go to AH which is a common acronym for Alder Hey Childrens Hospital around here, so I think she was having a look at moving and was stopped.

NMC were aware of the concerns and probably investigating, they'd have probably blocked her if she'd tried moving while those kind of investigations were ongoing. The DBS check she'd have had would have had the police notifying the hospital too.

That seems fair. Hopefully the NMC would have stepped in immediately if she’d tried to move.
She had some nerve even contemplating a potential move to AH

 

[Aberscot]

Dan has a report on his twitter account, it won’t let me link it someone else can maybe try!
But he’s doing a radio report so you get to hear his voice for a change.
At the end he says she could be on the stand for weeks in her defence, before she’s cross examined !

 

[LittleMy]

Dan has a report on his twitter account, it won’t let me link it someone else can maybe try!
But he’s doing a radio report so you get to hear his voice for a change.
At the end he says she could be on the stand for weeks in her defence, before she’s cross examined !

Probably with court only sitting a couple of days these next two weeks and having to go through all of the cases. I can see it taking a while.

Here’s the link to Dan’s interview:

Lucy Letby trial: Nurse accused of murdering babies gives evidence

Dan O’Donoghue, BBC journalist

www.rte.ie

 

[yellowmellow]

I know it's been asked before but I can't remember the answer, if there was one. Does anyone know what the jury would likely be doing today? Are they expected to go to work? "Hi everyone! Not been here for 6 months but back for 2 days " Or do they just get a well-deserved day off?

 

[LittleMy]

I know it's been asked before but I can't remember the answer, if there was one. Does anyone know what the jury would likely be doing today? Are they expected to go to work? "Hi everyone! Not been here for 6 months but back for 2 days " Or do they just get a well-deserved day off?

I think it’s down to their employers. I imagine some must surely be going back to work as it’s such a long case with so many gaps between court days. I personally agree they deserve the time off.

 

[AllieBee]

I’m probably going to regret saying this but I genuinely don’t think she’s guilty. I think my mind is telling me that what she’s accused of can’t of been done by her because it seems too cruel. I’ve been a silent follower from the beginning but I just can’t wrap my head around it.

I’m very confused.

I get this. I've been a nurse for years and I would absolutely love to think that not a single nurse anywhere in the country would ever do this. But sadly nursing (and medicine) can attract these rare individuals who do want to cause harm. Usually because they have deep psych issues of their own. They may not even come into nursing because they wish to harm patients, but when the opportunity presents itself as it did to Letby with these vulnerable babies, that can tip them over. My own feeling is that she gloried in the attention she got fro m being the one to notice how poorly they were and to play a part in saving them. Having a really poorly patient is an adrenaline rush, it has to be so that you're working on heightened senses, maybe she got off on that and when it didn't happen naturally, she missed the excitement and made it happen for herself. I dunno I am speculating here, but I do think she is guilty.

 

[DoseofReality]

I’m probably going to regret saying this but I genuinely don’t think she’s guilty. I think my mind is telling me that what she’s accused of can’t of been done by her because it seems too cruel. I’ve been a silent follower from the beginning but I just can’t wrap my head around it.

I’m very confused.

Lots of people said the same about Harold Shipman. One man who defended him later found out he'd murdered not one but both his parents.

 

[Tofino]

Dan has a report on his twitter account, it won’t let me link it someone else can maybe try!
But he’s doing a radio report so you get to hear his voice for a change.
At the end he says she could be on the stand for weeks in her defence, before she’s cross examined !

Face to the name and voice now!

 

[slingo16]

She chopped and changed so that things would be believable and she wouldn’t get caught. She literally basically instantly killed baby A, how many times could she do that even with many differing people on shift? She chopped and changed in order to play on conditions babies had. And I expect because she was having fun.
So you put more weight on how they interpreted the insulin than the actual results that show somebody was poisoned?

Her actions weren’t exactly missed though were they? You’ve heard that by baby D, Dr B was actively trying to establish what had been happening and actively tried to engage with management about the correlation of Letby being around all these babies which was noticed by a colleague from Liverpool women’s. His concerns were repeatedly dismissed even after the deaths of two healthy triplets, the second of which had had absolutely every thing scrutinised and monitored after the sudden death of his brother. And yes you’re right, they had all those concerns before even realising somebody had been poisoning babies with insulin.
What do you think caught Beverley Allitt out on the insulin charges she faced, that is different to what is catching Letby out? All Shipman’s deaths of old ladies at home when he was there were treated as non suspicious by huge amounts of people for years. Although many had an inclining and it was practically a joke, so many of these killers even have nicknames related to how much death seems to surround them! Cullen’s victims were accepted natural deaths until people persistently said it was poisoning. Even in The Nurse, the doctor was more ready to accept that a man had committed suicide by raiding the drugs cabinet at the hospital than accept a nurse had given a lethal dose of non prescribed diazepam.

I don’t think changing methods is a good way to avoid detection. I mean from air to insulin to trauma as a murder method as a means of not getting caught is a ludicrous decision and just can’t be the case imo. I really don’t think she has the level of intelligence needed to commit these crimes, she’s too weird and impulsive to not slip up somewhere, I also would have expected some internet search history to be relevant. If she’s dumb enough to kill babies and search for their parents on Facebook she’s not above some sort of incriminating internet search,

I just feel like the prosecution kind of want it both ways a little bit. In one breath she’s so calculated and cunning she’s changing methods, forging notes and all that. but in another she’s also stupid enough to triple the death rate of the ward, in the first month she causes a years worth of deaths all whilst she’s on shift? It just seems ridiculous to me. They also want to say she attacked sick babies to avoid detection and exploited their individual health issues but then there are “perfectly healthy” babies that die in the case too, so it just seems a little bit like they’re making it fit whenever it suits them

with all the other cases you’ve mentioned I’m not familiar with them all but as a general rule I’d say serial murder trials must produce some of the most compelling evidence, most serial murder trials are pretty cut and dry. When the evidence starts it becomes undeniably obvious that they’ve done whatever is alleged. I personally don’t know of any serial killer trials that get this deep and they’re still a fair argument for both sides, like I’ve said ultimately Id need a little bit more before I locked someone up for life

 

[slidders]

Face to the name and voice now!

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Lol NOT what I was expecting!

 

[DellaC]

Face to the name and voice now!

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He looks like my BIL

He's a workshy twerp too!

 

[Lucyxxxx]

Face to the name and voice now!

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Oioiiiiii

 

[Haveyouanywool]

Face to the name and voice now!

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I didn’t think he look like that, for some reason. Bit Dr Noname?

 

[slidders]

I didn’t think he look like that, for some reason. Bit Dr Noname?

I thought he’d be a marginally attractive big tall guy with blonde hair I nailed the age range though in my head.