Lucy Letby case #25

[docmum]

I had a really weird feeling this morning, almost like the sense of impending ‘doom’ or significant news from the trial today - then tried to dismiss it thinking that it was just because it’s been a few weeks away from it as well as live reporting etc. But I’m really taken aback at what we’ve seen in less than an hour. I’m just struggling like I said earlier with placing it all in context of what it could mean for both prosecution and defence, and what mindset would lead to these types of personal notes.

ETA - plus I feel there is still SO much more to come, possible stuff that hasn’t been reported or stuff that may come post trial

 

[Tofino]

ok a bit messy but not massively cluttered / hoarding.

need to add teddy bears to matalan/live laugh love list of character traits.
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Gonna make sure I make my bed every single day now just incase I’m ever arrested and put on trial and my bedroom is shown to the world

 

[tay65]

The scapegoat theory is easy to dismiss when you consider all her texts tie in perfectly with what was going on, as do her Facebook searches and she had medical notes at home hidden under her bed. And she wrote a note confessing. What a stroke of luck for the hospital if they were trying to scapegoat her for this.

Several babies had air deliberately put into them, two babies had insulin deliberately given. One baby was so overfed he (I think it was a boy) vomited a huge distance. One mum arrived unexpectedly and possibly caught LL unawares. One Consultant saw her doing nothing following a collapse. How can scapegoating LL be a possibility. Scapegoating would be to blame LL instead of someone else or to cover for poor practice. She was the only nurse there during all 22 incidents, nobody else was there more than 7 times, and the insulin, air and overfeeding have been reported by expert witnesses to be deliberate acts and the witnesses are not connected to COCH so have no reason to not be truthful so it's impossible to see scapegoating as a possibility unless someone else did all the harm but that doesn't seem possible as she was the only on there every time. Then when you also look at the timings of FB searches, her incriminating note and babies records under the bed how can she be innocent of murder and harm.

 

[MmmB777]

Wow. What a weird comment. “If they have nothing or minimal on me they’ll look silly”

 

[raspberryjuice]

Still guilty for me.


I’m interested in how the polls will look once the defence has started. I wonder if BM and his team will manage to sway a few folk.

At this point I’m so convinced of her guilt that someone else could stand up and say it was them and I’d still think it was Lucy. BM has a really big job on his hands to even get a niggle of doubt in to my mind.

 

[ElChanguito]

Would Tofino come to aisle 4 please? Seriously I have no idea what this means, not even following the case, but it came up on FB.

 

[Tofino]

There needs to be a new topic thread for people to commiserate that they share personality, possession and lifestyle choices with an alleged serial killer. I’m almost inspired to remove my fairy lights and paint my walls to get over the shame.

I also have a teddy on my bed.

do I have a teddy on my bed because I’m single or am I single because I have a teddy on my bed?

 

[raspberryjuice]

To be fair to the defence, these notes do read like someone having some of mental health breakdown. They are very weird though

She’s having a breakdown because she was found out

 

[LittleMy]

Oh I know, it’s all speculation and that’s fine that’s what the thread is for isn’t it?

When that documentary breaks, I will be one of the first watching. I’d love to know more about her and what other people will say about her, like her childhood etc. I wonder if it’s as boring as it seems or if there were any hints then about the type of person she really is compared to the “nice Lucy” act she seemingly puts on.

If it isn’t titled “Lucy Letby: The Devil Wears Matalan” then I’ll be disappointed

 

[Windowtothewall]

 

[DellaC]

I have a good tidy up every time I leave my gaff. Just incase I'm burgled or police raid me lmao. No fucker is gonna spread the word I live in a shit tip. No chance.

I obsess about making sure my muff is always impeccable. I had an accident several years ago and when I was admitted the nurse came to swab me for MRSA at the side of my muff. I almost died because I swear to god it was winter and I'd just let it go, she must've thought I had Ronald Mcdonald down there! I've gone bright red just thinking about it

 

[Ohnoshebettadont]

Love that meme! xx

Just out of interest, what do you make of LL's motive from a forensic psych point of view? Some people think, like B. Alitt, she suffers from hero complex or munchausen. Do you agree or do you think she has some other motive?

Hiya! Fellow forensic psychology grad here and I am still batting for covert narcissism! If you go through the previous posts you’ll see some of my other general justifications. Here are some of the traits I don’t think I’ve mentioned with my justification.

An over-inflated sense of self-importance. (Cockiness about the investigation ‘they are going to look silly’/thinking she won’t get caught)

Lack of empathy. (Hanging over the parents making inappropriate comments about their dead or dying babies)

A need for excessive admiration. (Fishing for compliments from dr NN and others, being the face of the countess Chester fundraising)

Sense of entitlement. (Thinks she should be with the sickest and most poorly babies, disobeys senior staff)

Surrounding yourself with superficial relationships. (All the texting on shift with Dr NN and others- stretch but I think it fits)

Taking advantage of others for personal gain. (Hurting the babies to get closer to Dr NN, to look like a hero or a selfless hero type)

Resistance to change. (Moving nurseries, being shifted off to the admin duties and moaning about it as if it was a personal attack)

Hyperfixation on delusions of grandeur/superiority (constant messaging about what went wrong with the babies, theorising as if she is the one with all the answers rather than the drs or being upset)
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Hiya! Fellow forensic psychology grad here and I am still batting for covert narcissism! If you go through the previous posts you’ll see some of my other general justifications. Here are some of the traits I don’t think I’ve mentioned with my justification.

An over-inflated sense of self-importance. (Cockiness about the investigation ‘they are going to look silly’/thinking she won’t get caught)

Lack of empathy. (Hanging over the parents making inappropriate comments about their dead or dying babies)

A need for excessive admiration. (Fishing for compliments from dr NN and others, being the face of the countess Chester fundraising)

Sense of entitlement. (Thinks she should be with the sickest and most poorly babies, disobeys senior staff)

Surrounding yourself with superficial relationships. (All the texting on shift with Dr NN and others- stretch but I think it fits)

Taking advantage of others for personal gain. (Hurting the babies to get closer to Dr NN, to look like a hero or a selfless hero type)

Resistance to change. (Moving nurseries, being shifted off to the admin duties and moaning about it as if it was a personal attack)

Hyperfixation on delusions of grandeur/superiority (constant messaging about what went wrong with the babies, theorising as if she is the one with all the answers rather than the drs or being upset)

Quoting myself like a weirdo but more traits and justifications:

Superficial charm. (Nice Lucy…)

Attention-seeking. (Constant messaging, poor me attitude regarding the death of the babies ‘I want to be back in Ibiza’ etc. )

Lack of reliability. (Messaging on her supposedly busy shifts?)

Manipulation. (Clearly Dr NN and everyone else she’s bombarding with work messages)

The propensity to break peoples' boundaries. (Hanging around the parents until they have to shout at her or tell her to leave).
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Hiya! Fellow forensic psychology grad here and I am still batting for covert narcissism! If you go through the previous posts you’ll see some of my other general justifications. Here are some of the traits I don’t think I’ve mentioned with my justification.

An over-inflated sense of self-importance. (Cockiness about the investigation ‘they are going to look silly’/thinking she won’t get caught)

Lack of empathy. (Hanging over the parents making inappropriate comments about their dead or dying babies)

A need for excessive admiration. (Fishing for compliments from dr NN and others, being the face of the countess Chester fundraising)

Sense of entitlement. (Thinks she should be with the sickest and most poorly babies, disobeys senior staff)

Surrounding yourself with superficial relationships. (All the texting on shift with Dr NN and others- stretch but I think it fits)

Taking advantage of others for personal gain. (Hurting the babies to get closer to Dr NN, to look like a hero or a selfless hero type)

Resistance to change. (Moving nurseries, being shifted off to the admin duties and moaning about it as if it was a personal attack)

Hyperfixation on delusions of grandeur/superiority (constant messaging about what went wrong with the babies, theorising as if she is the one with all the answers rather than the drs or being upset)
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Quoting myself like a weirdo but more traits and justifications:

Superficial charm. (Nice Lucy…)

Attention-seeking. (Constant messaging, poor me attitude regarding the death of the babies ‘I want to be back in Ibiza’, telling dr NN about her thyroid issues and her parents being too protective etc. )

Lack of reliability. (Messaging on her supposedly busy shifts?)

Manipulation. (Clearly Dr NN and everyone else she’s bombarding with work messages)

The propensity to break peoples' boundaries. (Hanging around the parents until they have to shout at her or tell her to leave).

 

[Takemetoyourbuffet]

Could you see her parents, I wonder if they go to court Daily

If I'm honest that was one of my biggest take home from today. They sit in the main courtroom but I saw them quite a few times just milling around and waiting to go in etc. I've always felt pretty indifferent about them tbh but seeing them in person just made me feel so desperately sad

 

[Tofino]

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That note to the triplets on their birthday is chilling. Why the fuck didn’t Mark or Dan report that?

i am desperate for the on dr Noname and what made her realise he wasn’t standing by her.

 

[Elisha97]

Maybe it’s because I’m tired, maybe it’s the trauma of having severe IBS. But when people refer to Ben Myers as BM, I keep reading it as ‘bowel movement’

 

[docmum]

Voted well and truly guilty! After my wobble mid trial...I've watched the pattern unfold just as prosecution said it would!
She has become more arrogant/sloppy/downright evil as time has gone on.
Obvs have to listen to BM to present the defence and if all he is going to do is discredit the experts and bring in none of his own, then, from what we have heard, let alone the jury,then I doubt they will take long to come to a verdict after recent evidence!
Just to digress, I watched the Jordan Monaghan documentary the other evening,evil pig he is...he lived in a nearby town to me...he gloated for so long after he thought he had got away with his evil crimes, wonder how BM defended him? Either way he didn't win that " game and hope he doesn't this

thank you for the recommendation of that documentary - I watched it yesterday. Their thought process around how he killed baby Ruby made me think of LL exactly in terms of method, and they discussed how they felt he kept going as he got ‘addicted’ to the kills. Absolutely chilling but put a few bits within this case in to context for me ie that people who are that sick, have certain motives and drives (like Jordan and LL) do exist among us
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Oh Dan is there!

urgh. To me these reports suggest she’s trying to outsmart the suspicion and has realised that after she caused harm there is short grace period in which she can walk away before the child crashes/alarm sounds. So she’s made a point of telling someone she was leaving the room after having injected air possibly iv and ng, thinking it would clear the suspicion. Makes me seeing her games here.

 

[MmmB777]

“Photos of Letby’s home interior are now shown to the court..”

the photos

 

[Stiltoncheese]

To be fair to the defence, these notes do read like someone having some of mental health breakdown. They are very weird though

 

[Wellthisisinteresting]

I really wanted to for myself. Just to see and understand the scope and technicality of it all. They didn't say why they finished early. Not sure if it was because TCs sentencing was starting then or if was just coincidence. We asked about going in there but the gallery was closed to family only.

You can see her but not all that well. It's only one camera that doesn't really move around much or zoom in, so she's just kind of a figure in the top corner.

I think it's probably helpful for the jury that they get the visual evidence like the obs sheets as well, but there was so much of it.
It was clear that for LLs other baby obs etc were done at 8.30am and then at 10am when the other nurse took over.

Doctors Evans and Bohin were in the satellite room with us watching and making lots of notes. Dewi was proper scanning the room and kept looking at me. Felt like he could see into my soul

I wonder if he was thinking

“I’m sure that’s TakeMeToYourBuffet from Tattle”

 

[craftypudding]

Like this post if you feel personally attacked by tattle user @raspberryjuice

There needs to be a new topic thread for people to commiserate that they share personality, possession and lifestyle choices with an alleged serial killer. I’m almost inspired to remove my fairy lights and paint my walls to get over the shame.