Not sure if they still attend but I would have thought so. Bet her dad doesn’t come with his carrier bag anymore though after hearing about his daughter’s stash of confidential medical records under the bed 🫣
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Reading today's coverage, I now think she wanted to be in nursery one for the thrill but over time even that wasn't enough for her so she started engineering incidents to get the rush of a crash response and lots of people rushing around. Then even that wasn't enough so she graduated to killing babies on purpose. I bet loads of stuff will come out later about just how many incidents happened in her care that didn't necessarily result in deaths. Maybe from the other hospital she worked at.
Being rushed through A&E after the Dr phoned them sounds as if she is receiving special treatment, but it is something that does happen. A Dr friend of mine was rushed ahead of patients in A&E after getting blood in their eye after carrying out a procedure on a patient with suspected Hepatitis. Part of the logic of rushing them through is so that if well enough they can come back and carry on working, otherwise they are a person down on the shift.
Oh goodness
maybe. I think for good reason we have perhaps not been privy to the evidence on how it’s believed to have been caused. I just cannot begin to imagine the hell the parents are going through hearing it all. And today to hear how she was bored with well babies that needed feeding. That’s basically their boys as they were well and fine. Really the audacity of her, arguing the point with a senior that much more experienced than her, after so many babies have had issues and died under her care
there is no humility there. Definitely around the G, H, I period she mentions people questioning her ability to work in nursery 1 and with the sicker babies. I mean no tit lucy, the babies that are fine die around you so what chance have the poorly ones got. I really think she just makes the poorly babies for herself when she can’t get them any other way.I think the defences argument will be that the harm was caused by poor care and imcompetence. They'll say that lucys grievance was that she was a highly trained, skilled neonatal nurse who wasnt being utilised properly i.e getting put in room 4, when less qualified/able staff were in room 1. I think bens questioning today will support his argument i.e she was trying to help the most poorly babies but was delegated elsewhere because she had problems with the management. Not saying shes innocent, still not a clue, though i find her behaviour very attention seeking and odd.
BM isn’t sounding defence through this write up. WeirdWrite up from independent. Yikes.
Nurse Lucy Letby found caring for less poorly infants ‘boring’, trial hears
Letby is accused of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder 10 others at the Countess of Chester Hospital’s neo-natal unit.www.independent.co.uk
she has killed babies for her own interest. For her entertainment. To feel validated. She deserves to rot.
I’ve been trying to find the bonus episode of the DM podcast with all the texts but can’t find. I’m repulsed by the new details coming out today
Still no daily mail article for today. Can’t believe how awful reporting is on one of the biggest trials this country has ever seen (whether she is guilty or not!) and the journalists barely seem bothered as we get towards the conclusion of the prosecution?
I can’t help but feel if these were older children or adults it would be receiving a lot more attention.
I can’t help but feel if these were older children or adults it would be receiving a lot more attention.
He's building towards LL being targeted and scapegoated for hospital failures.
Remember that in multiple cases, LL is in a nursery she is not meant to be in. Here's why... because she's 'above' the less acute nurseries.
I hope BM hasn't got something up his sleeve to somehow put LL in a good light with this.
I think you’re probably spot on with that liver injury route Tofino
Wasn’t Ben’s own intro back in October something like “a woman who says she..” It was very striking remember. My interp of that was very much well she’s not admitting it to me so I’ll do as I need to and represent her and ensure the case is well tried.
Wonder what the conversations are like between her and her parents now
Wasn’t Ben’s own intro back in October something like “a woman who says she..” It was very striking remember. My interp of that was very much well she’s not admitting it to me so I’ll do as I need to and represent her and ensure the case is well tried.
Wonder what the conversations are like between her and her parents now
The Senior Nurse explained that they often designated more qualified nurses into nurseries 3 and 4 to alleviate the stress of a more high pressured environment. If it can be shown other nurses were rotated in this way, where’s her grievance? Ofc, this might not be the case.
LL’s insistence on being in nursery 1, perhaps highlights her lack of professionalism, and team working, as she’s not aware of the need for de-stressing shifts, and for other staff members to gain experience, perhaps under supervision, in more clinically challenging areas. It’s probably worrying that she wants to always be in clinically demanding areas, in terms of burn-out. That could be the management speak anyway.
That’s putting aside for the moment, that she might be incompetent and/or killing and harming babies.
LL’s insistence on being in nursery 1, perhaps highlights her lack of professionalism, and team working, as she’s not aware of the need for de-stressing shifts, and for other staff members to gain experience, perhaps under supervision, in more clinically challenging areas. It’s probably worrying that she wants to always be in clinically demanding areas, in terms of burn-out. That could be the management speak anyway.
That’s putting aside for the moment, that she might be incompetent and/or killing and harming babies.
It would be interesting to see whether other nurses who had done the extra intensive care treatment were also rotated. It does seem that she tends to be in 1/2 based on the babies in the case, so is hardly always pushed into 4. Maybe she got her back up because she's been pushed onto days then again pushed into the quieter rooms.
I suppose if you've done additional training and have a preference for a room, that's fine and not uncommon for people to gravitate towards their preferred area of work. I don't think its necessarily a red flag, I know I'd complain in my job if someone sent me to work on the older person's team. Definitely shows a lack of self awareness though if she's had so many stressful shifts and can't understand the reasoning for a change of pace.
I agree, the reporting is so awful. We had more regular updates on the Wagatha Christie trial which was just utter nonsense. Here we have a nurse accused of murdering neonates and the papers don’t really seem bothered. I guess it’s not bringing in the clicks for them.Still no daily mail article for today. Can’t believe how awful reporting is on one of the biggest trials this country has ever seen (whether she is guilty or not!) and the journalists barely seem bothered as we get towards the conclusion of the prosecution?
I can’t help but feel if these were older children or adults it would be receiving a lot more attention.
Extra details here. Very scathing testimony from an unnamed (female) doctor
She didn't even do them the decency of sitting down.
My god. This sent shivers. She was gloating.
It honestly breaks my heart to think of how these parents must feel knowing she was there at their most vulnerable moments, getting a weird kick out of their grief.
When my nephew died every single nurse, doctor, consultant and paramedic was amazing. They cried with us. They cried making his memory box with his mum, they cried wrapping him in his favourite blanket with his teddy and carrying him to the morgue, the paediatric nurse who had been on duty the night he was taken in to a&e came in on her day off and cried when she helped his mum to dress him in her favourite outfit in the chapel of rest, they kept in contact in the days after, the consultant even came to the house to talk through what had happened that night, a couple of nurses even came to his funeral even though they’d only seen him the night he died. They were such a massive part of that immediate grieving process. It would completely destroy me to think any of them got any satisfaction in watching our family utterly broken.
When my nephew died every single nurse, doctor, consultant and paramedic was amazing. They cried with us. They cried making his memory box with his mum, they cried wrapping him in his favourite blanket with his teddy and carrying him to the morgue, the paediatric nurse who had been on duty the night he was taken in to a&e came in on her day off and cried when she helped his mum to dress him in her favourite outfit in the chapel of rest, they kept in contact in the days after, the consultant even came to the house to talk through what had happened that night, a couple of nurses even came to his funeral even though they’d only seen him the night he died. They were such a massive part of that immediate grieving process. It would completely destroy me to think any of them got any satisfaction in watching our family utterly broken.
Absolute
predicting death is a big one. This is as close to motive as we’ve got imo. These kind of motivations are very common to several HCSK I’ve read about and I think her excitement afterwards shows she’s got a real thrill out of finally managing to kill multiples. Dr SB also said she didn’t seem upset at all in the debrief and yet she goes and makes an utter show of herself in front of the parents sobbing and carrying on. Not bleeping normal.Of course if you remove the fact and don’t question why two healthy babies have died in two days, going from fine to dead after a few hours with Letby, then sure her being “bored” (sorry but that’s someone’s loved one, yuck to feeling inconvenienced by how boring somebody is) and having a preference is totally fine and dandy and normal. But this isn’t that. She’s making babies poorly and making them die because she enjoys it.
BM will be looking to say - Letby worked lots. Letby worked in nursery room 1 lots or was such a heroic incredible nurse that she gravitated there even when she wasn’t. Therefore she was around the sickest babies lots. Therefore she was naturally there at more deaths.
And none of that takes into account that these babies were not gravely ill, their deaths were extremely sudden and unexpected (repeatedly said by Letby herself that this is the case), that she has almost always just given some kind of intervention to the baby that then correlates to the serious problem it will have, that the increase in collapses and deaths follows her night or day, that she’s found alone, that the events happen when parents just left, the huge amount of physical evidence such as air that can only have been “administered” etc etc etc. That he’s still going to have to try and convince a jury that O&P died from extremely unlikely and rare complications from the tiny amount of breathing support they were on and dismiss the fact that there are absolutely stark similarities between all the air embolism babies in terms of collapse, resus issues, rashes as depicted by dozens of people and parents, vast amounts if air in the vessels.
@raspberryjuice I’m so sorry for your loss xx
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