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She might have also thought the other doctors would spot what she had done. She probably thinks the people around her every day are blind to all the harm she’s causing, but fresh eyes are more likely to spot it.
 
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I kind of get the ‘nice babies’ comment, I don’t think it means other babies aren’t, but I always say lovely / gorgeous babies, but they all are.

Her life in prison must be horrendous, surely? I know the evidence is compelling but it does make me go cold to think if - IF she’s innocent somehow, her life is ruined regardless.
 
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What constitutes a nice baby and a not so nice baby. They can only basically feed and sleep. They cannot talk. I wonder if she means babies that feed and sleep and don't cry a lot therefore making their jobs easier.
I suppose it does sound bad when you put it like that. I grew up hearing I was a good baby except I always cried till they took me home when little - good otherwise. I also had a good baby, easy to discipline throughout childhood / just raised my eyebrows and she was sorted out. Sunny disposition, slept great & unexpectedly had 4 teeth come in overnight, no fuss. Now my little sister saw this & wanted her own / however, she got herself a crybaby, couldn’t stand socks or hats or most foods, wailed all the time, never slept. It wasn’t used as a moral judgement, just a term for how easy one was to be cared for. I still hear it used by mothers now, including for my own grandchildren. James was a “good” baby, whereas Evie was a little spitfire and handful from day 1. I can see how use by professionals (or a child killer!) would be offensive, for sure, but I am not bothered by someone asking if Evie is a good baby - I say yes, but she can be a handful.
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She might have also thought the other doctors would spot what she had done. She probably thinks the people around her every day are blind to all the harm she’s causing, but fresh eyes are more likely to spot it.
I would love to have been there for that - sure she had an adrenaline surge!
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Biscuit and cookie are different things too🤣
Cookies being more sweet?
 
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I was an awful baby. The nurses put me in the laundry room out of the way because I cried so much I kept all the other babies awake. I wonder what LL would text her nursing pals about me. I mean, she’d probably just try to unalive me tbf, but I definitely wouldn’t be a nice baby.
 
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I think nice baby just sounds like she's had an easy shift, parents haven't been hard work and the babies have been pleasant. Not that babies are unpleasant but some are definitely more needy. My baby wasn't a nice baby all the time, I could have taken her back a fair few times 😂
I've also worked places where, in the privacy of non clinical areas, we've spoke openly about patients or family being nightmares, or other not nice words. We would never be less than professional but we're only human and sometimes, especially during a debrief or supervision, you need to speak openly. Some of the best nurses I've worked with have called patients awful things behind closed doors.
 
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What I find really hard to comprehend is that she went from a seemly competent nurse for many years with no concerns about her practice ( that we are aware of) to an alleged serial killer. Like WTF happened. And the insulin cases seem so overt that she must have known these would have been picked up. Why change up the method from something seemly which could not be established easily like the AE to something so blindingly obvious it couldn’t be accidental. Did she want to raise suspicion or draw attention to herself by this point. Is it like with other types of crime or pattern of abuse when there is a clear escalation?
 
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I think the switching between ‘methods’ was the expected modus operandi for a killer operating in the same scene of crime over and over again. Had to chop and change to cause the constant background noise of confusion.
 
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I don’t think it’s just a nurse thing to be fair, many a person asked if I had a “good baby” which I assumed to be pne that eats and sleeps well and generally causes me no disruption to my life*. It’s flawed and problematic but sadly a common way to view babies apparently!

*the answer is no 🤣
Omg yes!! People asked me quite a lot if my daughter was a “good girl” or a “good baby” and I’m hardly gonna be like no she’s bad 😄😄 I get that it’s something that people say but I think it’s old-fashioned.
I get the vibe from LL that she wasn’t actually very motherly or compassionate at all (forgetting for a mo what she’s been accused of of course..) I can’t imagine her as a mum, and I wonder, if she had been, would she have had more empathy for these mums and tiny babes?
 
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Omg yes!! People asked me quite a lot if my daughter was a “good girl” or a “good baby” and I’m hardly gonna be like no she’s bad 😄😄 I get that it’s something that people say but I think it’s old-fashioned.
I get the vibe from LL that she wasn’t actually very motherly or compassionate at all (forgetting for a mo what she’s been accused of of course..) I can’t imagine her as a mum, and I wonder, if she had been, would she have had more empathy for these mums and tiny babes?
Hahah I mean she’s not a criminal so yes, I guess she’s good? 🙄😂 easy baby I understand, it’s just the good/bad baby I don’t really get because no baby is “bad”, some are just more high needs than others!
 
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I'm late to the Murdaugh case but started watching the Netflix documentary this weekend.

Only 3 episodes but it's covers not only the boat crash, the shooting of the Mother and son, the killing of the sons male lover and now I'm on the last episode it has moved onto the housekeepers death.

It's interesting. Sorry I edited to put the content of the documentary in a spoiler warning as although I know it's real life and there has been a trial etc. people may not be aware of all the death and tragedy... dunno if that was the right thing to do 🤷‍♀️
I watched all three episodes last night and highly recommend them to everyone - thank you so much for the netflix recommendation. The kids are ultimately the ones who have paved way for any justice here, the bravery of them and their families (especially Morgan) is unreal. I hope beautiful Mallory’s death may at least lead gp a positive outcome in the whole family being found out and stopped, but the power and wealth of the brothers/son is still a concern. I avoid conspiracy stuff in general as my brain would just spiral but the conspiracies behind this could be 🤯
 
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I've called patients nice before at work, not that others arent nice, just these have been easy to look after (no problems, pleasent shift). I would also 100% document in patients notes who weren't mine, e.g if i got a call with a lab result, call from doctor with instructions (telling the ward that a tubes sited correctly do we are able to use) or anything relevant, its completely normal and would be poor practice NOT to document something you've been handed over. Infact if the lab call with a result they need to tell you about at my hospital,they ask for your initals, so clearly documenting at their end so you would do the same at yours.
 
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As someone who's had 'good' babies and had one who was a bleeping nightmare from the moment he was born (ironically my best behaved now lol) I can understand why someone might call a baby 'good/nice'.
 
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I've called patients nice before at work, not that others arent nice, just these have been easy to look after (no problems, pleasent shift). I would also 100% document in patients notes who weren't mine, e.g if i got a call with a lab result, call from doctor with instructions (telling the ward that a tubes sited correctly do we are able to use) or anything relevant, its completely normal and would be poor practice NOT to document something you've been handed over. Infact if the lab call with a result they need to tell you about at my hospital,they ask for your initals, so clearly documenting at their end so you would do the same at yours.
We would log in and out to document cares, observations etc, that was good practice. To document in someone else’s log in is definitely bad practice, it was stated at some point that this was common on the unit.
Any member of the multidisciplinary team would log in to document, with a facility for encryption for sensitive social work data.
LL documenting that baby K’s ET tube was secure, indicating that she had checked (I’d think she should have checked for air entry to lungs too), then 3 minutes she’s caught standing, doing ‘nothing’ at the side of the cot. Holy hell.
 
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As someone who's had 'good' babies and had one who was a bleeping nightmare from the moment he was born (ironically my best behaved now lol) I can understand why someone might call a baby 'good/nice'.
This is why I might only have the one🤣I’d loose my tit with a bleeping nightmare 🤣
 
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This is why I might only have the one🤣I’d loose my tit with a bleeping nightmare 🤣
Nearly all mine were good babies. Slept 12 hrs a night from birth, rarely cried etc. But that one who didn't 😳😳😳😳. I said no more after him. I then went on to have more.
 
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I had my 'not so good' baby first (colic, chronic early morning riser, stroppy as duck through toddler years), and then went on to have a second who was the bestest baby in the world! Now they're grown up they are both delightful
 
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Nearly all mine were good babies. Slept 12 hrs a night from birth, rarely cried etc. But that one who didn't 😳😳😳😳. I said no more after him. I then went on to have more.
How many have you got? You're making yourself sound like the Radford woman 😝😝
 
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We would log in and out to document cares, observations etc, that was good practice. To document in someone else’s log in is definitely bad practice, it was stated at some point that this was common on the unit.
Any member of the multidisciplinary team would log in to document, with a facility for encryption for sensitive social work data.
LL documenting that baby K’s ET tube was secure, indicating that she had checked (I’d think she should have checked for air entry to lungs too), then 3 minutes she’s caught standing, doing ‘nothing’ at the side of the cot. Holy hell.
Ohh I think I missed this bit where she wrote 3 mins before she was caught by Dr J that the ET tube was secure!! That makes this case even stronger I think.
 
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How many have you got? You're making yourself sound like the Radford woman 😝😝
I'm Sue Radford, Marcus Mitchell, think I've been accused of being Jodie Marsh's dad at some point. At this stage I just don't complain and don't explain. 😂😂😂😂
 
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