There’s never been any mention of cctv and I don’t think there are any in hospital wards due to patient privacy.
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No CCTV in either of the NICU’s I stayed or on the childrens surgical wards x
Yes no cctv. The case I shared fairly recently about a male nurse using air embolism to kill was caught on camera in corridors going into rooms before people soon after collapsed/died. Door data is as good as it gets in this case. I personally find that completely strong despite of course people being able to say Letby was just letting somebody else into the room. Because they will have checked all the door data/computer use of everybody and be able to place other people around the unit and Letby using her door swipe to leave too etc.
Of course for the cctv in the case I mentioned above, his lawyer still said he was entering the room to help and save their lives not kill them. The fact he had a wife and kids was one of his defences too
and of course his placement in the room and their sudden unexpected decline and deaths were by chance and they had the same/similar rare events just around this one guy 
Of course for the cctv in the case I mentioned above, his lawyer still said he was entering the room to help and save their lives not kill them. The fact he had a wife and kids was one of his defences too
and of course his placement in the room and their sudden unexpected decline and deaths were by chance and they had the same/similar rare events just around this one guy 
Yeah makes sense, I’ve just asked a nurse friend who confirmed what @Tofino said.
(side note: this must all be very scary reading for you, and anybody else with NICU experience. Sending love x)
Thank you
Luckily we had amazing care, I hope all the families get justice either way. I think the nurse at stepping hill was on CCTV going into a cupboard where he injected the bags but doesn’t sound like any CCTV for countess x
I think the door data is quite compelling evidence, lots of the cases it shows when the nurse looking after them goes on a break and then babies collapsing soon after without that data maybe wouldn’t be so obvious?
Also that last baby when DrJ went to check 3 minutes after the nurse left the unit and found baby in distress with LL watching…
Also that last baby when DrJ went to check 3 minutes after the nurse left the unit and found baby in distress with LL watching…
Yes all of that combined with witness statement to say she was alone, her own notes showing she was there giving cares just before and very often the one that called for help - pretty compelling! If there were cameras BM would still say she was there for purely innocent reasons and found them collapsing by pure chance
Yeah I keg my husband sometimes, he hates itI just googled it apparently it’s a North east thingwhat is it called to yous when someone pulls someones pants down?? as kids we would say ‘you got kegged’
I’m sure the NN practitioner is specialised in prem babies etcWhat’s the difference between a ‘neonatal practitioner’ and a nurse or doctor?
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(That sounds like the start of a joke…)
I'm Chester, so North West, and we say 'kegged' too. Then 'keks/kegs' is a blanket term for trousers.I just googled it apparently it’s a North east thing
@Tofino just went back and had a look at some pics the nurse who looked after my son most in NICU’s badge says neonatal practitioner. She pretty much did everything but that may vary from hospital to hospital? I remember she said she went into children’s nursing then had to do something else to get into NICU.
Just to add to the keg debate - we call it kegged when you pull someone’s trousers down, but we don’t call underwear kegs. Just pants. Occasionally grundies
I’d say kegs for knickers, boxers and trousers and I’m newcastleJust to add to the keg debate - we call it kegged when you pull someone’s trousers down, but we don’t call underwear kegs. Just pants. Occasionally grundies
I often say to my 16m old that he can just wear his kegs and it’s his nappyHmm it’s just during this case all the nurses are called nurses but then Amy Davies took the stand (baby L&M) and court was told she was a neonatal practitioner - grade 6 - but looked like she was doing similar stuff to nurses.
So just wasn’t sure if there was a difference.
I think Amy is more qualified for poorly babies but nit sure what the difference in tasks would be.
Google suggests As a NNP you will be ordering labs & medications, diagnosing conditions, performing some invasive procedures, evaluating & changing medical treatments (phototherapy and ventilator care) etc all under the supervision of a doctor.
Job role of a nurse: The neonatal nurse stays at the side of their assigned baby, constantly monitoring vital signs, implementing and managing treatments ordered by the doctor or NP. Normally as a neonatal nurse you will have 1 to 2 patients under your care that you are responsible for that day. Some of the things you can expect to do as a neonatal nurse include: surgical care, administering high-risk mediations, resuscitation, administering antibiotics, phototherapy, managing patients that require ventilation support, providing advanced interventions, and providing chronic care management.
I defo remember having a conversation in the NICU and she had gone to uni and then was a neonatal nurse then she went on to do more training
Maybe the band 5s were considered staff nurses. Band 6 is a senior nurse so might be why that's her job title.
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Newcastle here too and I use it the same way but more for knickers and boxers than trousers. Haven't used it for the baby's Nappy thoI’d say kegs for knickers, boxers and trousers and I’m newcastle
I could be wrong but I’m sure I read somewhere that, when suspicions were at there height, it was suggested that CCTV could be placed in the nurseries, with no reason given, but the nurses objected.
Ah that makes more sense, thank you
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That does sound familiar actually. I know cctv in general was discussed heavily in one of the early threads.
Just to contribute to this tangent
It’s so funny how slang etc works, my husband is originally from 45 mins down the road and theres still a language barrier sometimes
Have any of you heard the term spelk? I thought everyone knew what it meant, but according to QI it's a Geordie thing. The word means a splinter btw. Also 'kets' meaning sweets. I didn't realise that was regional too. So confusing!- Status