Some do climb definitely not a 7 though, I've only seen that in more mature students who have come from different professions so have more managerial experience. I've never seen a 25 year old ward manager.
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Yeah ny friend was an Adult nurse. She was bullied so bad she had to quit. Did a Midwifery top up and is now a midwife. Nursing can be very toxic.
I did it earlier in the year and we were in a cinema so all we heard was the evidence nothing else legal I’ve not done it in a court so not sure if different but basically u make ur decision on what uve heard and that is it
She won't get a payout. Have a read of the Secret Barrister books and you'll see that innocent people have an incredibly high bar to reach before they get anywhere near compensation. She is unlikely to get any of her legal costs paid either if she's acquitted.
Okg I recently watched How To get away with murder. I had like 6m between watching the second to last series and the last one. I googled Hot To get away with murder so I could recap and all sorts came up hahahaha. I Darent google anything now hahaI’d hate to be judged off my Google search history. I look up every crime I hear about. I probably flag as a person of interest by now
Do they though? So far it’s just handover sheets, some google searches and the fact she was on shift when the babies died. Not compelling and potentially circumstantial? I’m just playing devils advocate here.
She was a band 5.
You have to be QIS before being considering for a b6. It differs slightly everywhere but usually that involves completing a neonatal critical care course and Arni. Then you apply and interview for the b6 role
Do you then present them with the information you have gathered from a safeguarding point of view?
SameI’d hate to be judged off my Google search history. I look up every crime I hear about. I probably flag as a person of interest by now
been a lot of dahmer searches recently lolGlad she left that toxic situation, but there’s a huge difference between being bullied at work and being scapegoated for several baby deaths surely?
Couple of questions 
1. Why 6 months, are they seating one day a week or is there really 26 full weeks of evidence to be presented? Has there ever been such a long trial before this one?
2. So babies were dying. Their cause of death was 'unexplained'. A previous poster said that air in the blood thing is notoriously hard to detect, as is insulin o/d. Obviously nothing was picked up on PM so how did they come to these conclusions? How do they expect a jury to find she is guilty beyond reasoble doubt if they can't even prove how they died?
1. Why 6 months, are they seating one day a week or is there really 26 full weeks of evidence to be presented? Has there ever been such a long trial before this one?
2. So babies were dying. Their cause of death was 'unexplained'. A previous poster said that air in the blood thing is notoriously hard to detect, as is insulin o/d. Obviously nothing was picked up on PM so how did they come to these conclusions? How do they expect a jury to find she is guilty beyond reasoble doubt if they can't even prove how they died?
If she murdered Baby A it was only 28 hrs later [ would that be the next shift?) that she attempted to murder Baby B. It seem unreal that someone could kill a baby for first time then go on to try again the next shift. I guess we will hear tomorrow how long before Baby C was murdered or attempted murder.
I just can’t get my head round how anyone could harm a baby and then act normal !
I just can’t get my head round how anyone could harm a baby and then act normal !
This is where the statistical analysis comes in but it's full of controversy. A few have been acquitted over it.Couple of questions
1. Why 6 months, are they seating one day a week or is there really 26 full weeks of evidence to be presented? Has there ever been such a long trial before this one?
2. So babies were dying. Their cause of death was 'unexplained'. A previous poster said that air in the blood thing is notoriously hard to detect, as is insulin o/d. Obviously nothing was picked up on PM so how did they come to these conclusions? How do they expect a jury to find she is guilty beyond reasoble doubt if they can't even prove how they died?
Says that 2 babies definitely were poisoned by insulin
awful
This whole case just makes me very sad. Having had a baby spend time in neo natal after birth - I can’t comprehend how anyone could want to harm a tiny defenceless baby. I don’t want to believe it’s true.
Don't know if anyone's heard of this case. Given a life sentence and then exonerated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucia_de_Berk
Regarding the scapegoating thing, I doubt it's an orchestrated campaign against Lucy, but it's definitely possible that she was in the wrong places at the wrong times, and that's enough to bring her under suspicion. Basically, no other explanations for what's happened, so she's the next best guess. I'm not wording this properly. Hope people know what I mean.
Edit: I still doubt they'd go to such lengths over such a long period of time if they didn't have a strong case against her.
Regarding the scapegoating thing, I doubt it's an orchestrated campaign against Lucy, but it's definitely possible that she was in the wrong places at the wrong times, and that's enough to bring her under suspicion. Basically, no other explanations for what's happened, so she's the next best guess. I'm not wording this properly. Hope people know what I mean.
Edit: I still doubt they'd go to such lengths over such a long period of time if they didn't have a strong case against her.
Never mentioned that. I was talking about the toxic nursing situation so I don't understand your point? I never said that was happening with Lucy, just agreeing that Nursing can be a toxic work environment.
This is the first trial I have properly followed from the beginning. I've always been interested in true crime but this feels really different. I had a baby earlier this year and was struggling to get the hang of feeding while I was still in hospital, leading to tears from me and baby. One of the midwives took my baby out into the corridor to calm her down and give me a moment and I just let her! Then immediately thought I shouldn't have. Luckily, everything was fine but it's so awful to think evil walks among us. Seems like if it wasn't LL it was someone else and it's just horrifying.
I am slowly catching up with the thread but just wanted to add my two pence for what it's worth. I believe that everyone is innocent until proven otherwise but I have been shocked by the level of evidence already stated by the prosecution in its opening statement. If things continue on this trajectory I think it will be difficult for the defence to establish reasonable doubt, but we'll see.
I am slowly catching up with the thread but just wanted to add my two pence for what it's worth. I believe that everyone is innocent until proven otherwise but I have been shocked by the level of evidence already stated by the prosecution in its opening statement. If things continue on this trajectory I think it will be difficult for the defence to establish reasonable doubt, but we'll see.
Like everyone else, I just can’t get my head around how someone could do these things to a baby. It goes against human nature - we are programmed to protect babies, not kill them. And the fact she was a neonatal nurse too - you would think she would want to protect babies more than anyone. But, then maybe it’s like how paedophiles try to get jobs that get them close to children 
If she is guilty, I feel like I need to know “why”? It’s going to be a long and distressing trial and my heart really goes out to those who have lost their little ones 
If she is guilty, I feel like I need to know “why”? It’s going to be a long and distressing trial and my heart really goes out to those who have lost their little ones - Status