Yeah she searched one of the twins' family every month for 6 months and one of those times was on Christmas day. Very creepy.It’s this for me . How can you search a family and then search previous families of babies that died . Why would anybody search two minutes after searching a baby that was sick that day . So so strange . I know people keep saying they search patients but This is not just once , I can’t remember what baby it was but she searched the family of that baby multiple times and then again in 2016 wierd
Because each case will need to be presented separately with prosecution and defence witnesses for each count on the indictment. For each murder count there is likely to be dozens of witnesses for the defence and prosecution. Courts also have to give jurors time to digest the information and not become overwhelmed so they take it slowly. In reality they only sit for around 4 hours per day by the time they've had breaks, lunch, legal arguments etc. Just a simple case can take weeks. The wheels of justice turn slowly.Thai may be a stupid question but why do they expect the trial to take so long ? They have been working on it behind the scenes for years
Fucking hellI think they posted a victims name on the live feed and quickly reworded but it had already been noticed by a fair few on here so I am assuming someone attached to the case had spotted it aswell
This is what I can't understand, guilty or not the hopsital and the staff have failed so badly. It's hardly going to be something you could explain away as being a reaction to washing detergent is it? I can't wrap my head around how *she* may have done this but also how she *got away* with doing it for so long if she did.Yeah it's the mottled skin/rashes for me... if it is an unusual occurrence, what did they think it was? Numerous times?
Unlikely yes. Just not much context why she was always there for babies who weren’t under her care. We’re the other nurses newly qualified, not as much training etc. It is unlikely, and one hell of a coincidence and bad luck IF she is innocent. And I say IF. I am a senior nurse and I will always be there making sure my junior colleagues are okay, I respond to alarms and respond to patients being unwell if they are my responsibility or not.It seems unlikely that she would be there for every case while others were there on no more than 7 occasions.
A handover sheet doesn't really have identifying information if someone is called Joe Bloggs they will be called JB it has the events of the shift then allergies really important information need to know. Meds taken, physical OBS. It doesn't contain all the information that's on the computer notes. Many places are doing away with handover sheets as yes people frequently take them home and forget about it.Can someone who works in a hospital answer this....if there's an unexpected death doesn't it make it even more important that all paperwork pertaining to the patient is filed properly and retained? If a child died I'd expect that ALL paperwork would be retained, without exception. I can't imagine a situation where a nurse would take home any paperwork in that situation as it would be crucial to ensure it's retained so that there's a clear audit trail. I just can't imagine a child dying and being careless with paperwork (if that ends up being her defence in regards to paperwork being at her home address)
Thanks for answering. I was also in NICU at a hospital in Newcastle! Many many years ago, of course. I'm deliberately avoiding talking about this case with my mum because I know it's such a sensitive issue when you've been in that situation. I hope all the parents on this thread are okay. It's a very upsetting topic.ours on the NICU in Newcastle were checked very regularly by nurses and health care assistants. The monitor is what allerted everyone to my sons respiratory arrest so they were always turned on day in day out.
Another aspect of this that absolutely devastates me is how those babies were so close to being fine and able to go home. Like, you'll hear that one baby seemed to recover only to get worse again. It's tragic enough for a premature baby to die from natural causes, but if they were harmed when they were otherwise on the road to recovery it's just horrendous. Imagine being a parent and going over it in your head, that if they'd had a different nurse or been at a different hospital, they would still be with you. There are no words.The thought that anyone would have harmed him whilst he was alone is heartbreaking I can't imagine what the parents are young through. You just whole heartedly trust the nurses don't you? What an abuse of power on her part.
That's another thing I thought was strange. I can't imagine police would dig up your garden for no reason. What were they looking for? It's not like they had a missing person to find.What’s possibly going to emerge in this is trial is how/why the police managed to get a warrant to dig up her own back garden. Clearly there was some suspicion or evidence pointing to something in the garden.
She was in completely different rooms to the one was she supposed to be working in on multiple occasions though. Maybe she felt superior and thought she was in charge of the entire unit?Unlikely yes. Just not much context why she was always there for babies who weren’t under her care. We’re the other nurses newly qualified, not as much training etc. It is unlikely, and one hell of a coincidence and bad luck IF she is innocent. And I say IF. I am a senior nurse and I will always be there making sure my junior colleagues are okay, I respond to alarms and respond to patients being unwell if they are my responsibility or not.
oh hi Toffee!Maybe nobody else will agree and I'm not saying I think she's innocent. But maybe (if she was innocent)it just became habit to check in on the parents to see how they were doing / if they'd posted? Everybody deals with things differently and I'm sure for any (innocent) nurse to witness so many baby deaths it would be hard to know how you'd cope or what you'd do. Everyone is different.
I would also like to know this. The baby was being treated with insulin for what I assume is gestational diabetes. Which would eventually correct itself within days/ weeks of the birth. Is there evidence to say the insulin was in the bag, as the Dr had previously said the hospital wouldn’t put it in the bag as it would congeal against the plastic?Do they know insulin was in the bags or did the babies just have massive hypos?
I mean babies dying in in NICU isn’t unusual. I do wonder if she’s being stitched up like a kipper.
Time will tell I guess
And if this reaction happened on each victim, surely LL would think 'oh shit, I better not do this anymore - I'm gonna get caught'.Yeah it's the mottled skin/rashes for me... if it is an unusual occurrence, what did they think it was? Numerous times?
Oh heyyy thread friendoh hi Toffee!
I think it’s her response that makes it suspicious for me. She told police she couldn’t remember doing it. But said she accepted the evidence says she did, but couldn’t say why she would have done it. But if the deaths affected you in a way that made you want to check up on the families multiple times (Inc Xmas day!) how would you forget that?
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