Lucy Letby Case #18

[Haveyouanywool]

So we have reporting of 10ml bottles from the paper and the below picture which comes from cps directly. Might mean more to the medics on thread but am I right in thinking it is 100units per ml in a 10ml bottle? Conclusion reached by jumbling all the info together and hoping it seems reasonable

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Well, if that’s from the CPS that’s 100 units in 1ml so you can divide all the calculations by 100.
I thought standard was 100 units in 10mls, shows you how much I know about insulin!

 

[Faith61]

BM is ripping into the professor on the stand.

Thing is the if the jury find her guilty of even one of the murder charges it will be most likely they’d find her responsible for more or all.

He's having a field day with her!!

 

[Blockedbyadmin]

Just as it’s the weekend and no reporting until Monday….anyone that is interested there is a case I have been following for many years. ‘The Delphi Murders’. They arrested someone recently and the affidavit is sealed. Public and news reporters currently waiting for it to be unsealed. Anyone who listens to podcasts try The Murder Sheet. They are so good!
Since it’s the weekend
Another one to follow is the disappearance of little Michael Vaughan from Idaho.

thank You I enjoy a podcast or docu series

 

[Blockedbyadmin]

Fecks sake I bet court has finished

 

[Chocolate2008]

I imagine there would have been a trigger, but in terms of having a motive, no there isn’t always an obvious one. If she is psychopathathic it would be more to do with the power she held over these poor babies and their parents.

There could be other factors, like she didn’t think they deserved to live, in her warped mind.


We do not know anything about her background or lifestyle.

Female psychopaths play the long game. They are more devious and less obvious, than their male counterparts.

I did have a thought and I wondered if her parents were medical? She may have come from a medical family ( background) so going down that route may have been completely expected of her.

I can’t get my head around it if she did it of course. I can understand maybe being triggered by anger at particular parents about an incident/complaint. But multiple babies & seemingly targeting twins, I don’t understand it. The twins thing is really upsetting.

 

[IdeletedbutI'mbackagain]

she knew what the blood readings were at 8am as she told her colleague so at least that late. Also spotted Dr Gibbs had been so who knows what was discussed about TPN bags then.


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Shit sorry I deleted my post because I wasn't sure I had grasped the content of your post properly and I didn't want to cause any confusion!!

Thanks for the reply though!

I think the stock bag was actually put in place at 1.54am

It needed to be left out 4 hours before that to warm up to a comfortable level so was taken out and put aside at 10pm?

What time did Letby’s shift end?

 

[candyland_]

Did he have a stock TPN bag first and then his bespoke bag hung by Letby at 12:30am or did he have a stock bag hung the day after?

 

[Haveyouanywool]

I really don’t think she’d need to nick a vial. 10mls would be 100 units. Babies would only need 0.01 - 0.02 units per hour which would be 0.1 in ten hours. That would be 1/1000 of a 100ml vial.

ETA: 1/1000 of a 10ml vial!

 

[struggs123]

Cheers I will check it out later, I’m curious as I’m sure this is the first time I’ve ever seen anything from court televised in the UK

It was very a very recent change!

 

[Nelly's mum]

Yep. Sounds like they were basically 'trusting' each other to administer the right medication later on when the first 'checker' was no longer present. That's what it sounds like to me anyway. Against policy and very very dangerous.

It seems to me that they are both checking the medication, just not at the same time. There are still 2x checks, 1x to check meds and 1x to administer

 

[Daisydunn15]

Over prescribed, wrong patient, in a totally and utterly inappropriate method is a big stretch though isn’t it. And then of course it happens again.

Totally what nearly happened with this nurse I worked with. She was ready to give the wrong drug in a much higher dose to the patient because she was flustered during the restraint. I only noticed cos she had more than one needle and pulled her aside before she administered . Again, not saying I think that's what happened here.

 

[avabella]

I thought they said insulin wasn't given via the TPN bags because it could stick to the plastic?

That's what the prosecution claimed, however, from a very quick Google it seems insulin can be given in TPN bags. All very confusing.

 

[MmmB777]

I'm questioning his evidence because it made no sense if there was only one contaminated bag. PP clarified two contaminated bags, now his evidence makes sense to me. That's really all I was looking for.

Ah ok well it’s good to follow the live feeds if you need clarification on things, it was also in a lot of the newspaper write ups. Should be quicker to find on there than questioning here too. Is it weaker now we know he thinks there were two bags?

 

[avabella]

You made repeated comments about how much I post. Continuously?? I reported a couple because that’s exactly what they were without any other contribution and they were removed very quickly. You can feign ignorance if you like. They weren’t from a place of concern. They were mean spirited. I don’t care really, as long as you aren’t being a hypocrite about it or pretending you’re not being that way when you clearly are. I don’t need your concern about breaks or anything like that, thank you though.

I made a light hearted comment saying everyone should maybe take a walk and later on asked ‘fella, do you ever sleep?!’ again - as a lighthearted banter. If you took that personally then I apologise. It wasn’t ‘personal insults’.

 

[just_nicole]

When was child e last given insulin does anybody know? (The twin of child f who passed the day before)

Dr Thomas noted it starting on the 3rd, not sure how long it was prescribed for tho only skimmed the wiki.
@OldBlondie I think you missed the point of my last post on last thread, i didn't say at any point it wasn't synthetic insulin, not sure where you got that from.

The witness statements reflect how they feel about it now, not necessarily how it was viewed at the time. It may have been viewed as accidental/never event therefore not escalated appropriately. I am giving the hospital the benefit of the doubt with that, rather then them just brushing it away.

Hence why I think it may have been looked in to internally at the time, which we will soon see in the trial anyway, if that was the case in either prosecution or defences argument not arguing innocent or guilty points, just an opinion.

 

[OldBlondie]

I don't think so, mainly because she would have to cooperate with a psychiatric assessment and if the prosecution were using it against her she could just sit there any say nothing.
If anything like a profiler was used then it would be pure speculation as her mental state now or at arrest can't be said to have been her mental state at the time of the incidents. Something like IQ is different cos that doesn't change but a psychiatrist couldn't assess her now and tell us what she was like 5 years ago.

Thank you, think it’s safe to assume a profiler will probably have no bearing on what will happen in court, regardless of whether the police consulted one or not then.

 

[OldBlondie]

No need for a psychiatric report because she's pleading NG. It would only be helpful if she was using the defence of diminished responsibility which reduces murder to manslaughter and its less about whether or not she did it but more the circumstances around why she did it.

Hope it’s ok to quote you, but just wondering in general if anyone knows if we would receive a psychiatric report regarding her potentially being a typical health serial killer, as in if a profiler had looked at this with this police, would we get any details of that at all?

I understand that due to her plea there would be no need to have a report on psychiatric report as it’s deemed she’s fit to stand trial, and she’s not going for DR, but just wonder if we’d get any insight into her mental state if for example they thought she was a psychopath that fitted a typical HSK profile given by a profiler.

Obviously we’ve no idea whether a profiler would have even been consulted, and even if they had whether or not they have found any typical patterns/behaviours. So it’s really more of a hypothetical question of would we know anything if a profiler had been consulted to do with her from a psychological point of view really?

 

[Haveyouanywool]

He says the rate would be on the TPN bag and he calculates it based on what the baby had previously been given. So it sounds like his estimated rate is in reference to what would have been in the bag.
Yeah that's so much insulin, even with the dextrose, but then if you're trying to murder you'd use a lot, no?
I don't use insulin much at all, so I'm not clued up but honestly we could have our own tattle expert here and I still don't think they'd make heads nor tails of it with the reporting we've had.



Yup, and pharmacy aren't part of the main ward team, so from my experience they have no issues in raising concerns. We had a book we would use to mark down any discarded meds, say you'd drawn up an injection and used too much saline, you'd need to get rid of the whole lot. But then if she'd done that for insulin we'd have seen it as her trying to cover her tracks. I wonder if you'd know if someone topped up a couple of vials with water.

Yes, I didn’t use insulin either so got myself a bit confused!
I still think she’d only need to use a tiny amount.

 

[avabella]

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Sorry, is there an issue with me posting in the thread?

 

[Blockedbyadmin]

I don't think so, she was on the nightshit and signed for the 12.25am bag but I haven't seen anything to say she signed for the one on the day shift. There was evidence that they'll counter sign meds for the following shift which is mind-blowing but I don't think that would have happened when the bag was planned to run for much longer.

ahhhh ok sorry I thought she’d signed for the next bag. Sorry!