No she had suspicions it wasn’t but went ahead with it anyway.
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My son is an (all UK) 999 operator, he says that all ambulance calls are always answered and responded to much more quickly in Scotland than anywhere in England. Always. All the time.
I know a lot think the insulin babies are the stronger evidence babies. I’m not medical so not really sure on the ins and outs of insulin (as was obvs the night the insulin discussion happened between yourself and another poster
). This is why I especially like hearing from anyone that is a medical knowledge person, I really appreciate it when people like you take the time to explain things that some of us don’t understand. But for me, being said not medical person, I feel the circumstantial evidences is just as strong, if not stronger than the medical. Also in this type of crime there is no direct evidence as such, a lot is based on the patterns of what HSK typically do and how they do it, which fits in with most of how and when LL is supposed to have carried out these killings. They are all about certain patterns repeating, which I think we’ve already, and will continue to see the same patterns again and again, that I believe also become not only a pattern that are no longer coincidences but also patterns that become far more sinister too. I also think LL is especially sadistic. For me babies G,I and N show her becoming far more calculating and devious in trying to cover her tracks, for me they also show how much more sadistic she’s becoming in her methods and the level of obvious pain inflicted by her. It gets worse after these, but these are the ones that stand out for me. And they also show particular obsession with the parents.
To give you quick examples that hopefully you’ll get to read about soon yourself; G involves deliberately over feeding causing pain and vomiting, leaving the child eventually with brain damage rather than dead. Also this baby the monitoring equipment magically turned off when LL in room. On the day of the 2nd attack on G, LL just so happened to look the mum of this baby up, and then mum of baby E straight after, what a coincidence. Baby I, she killed on her 4th attempt, this is the same baby she made the inappropriate bath comment about I to the parents, she also sent a sympathy card and still had photo of said card on her phone 3 years later, she also finally killed I on a night she’d text someone saying how quiet it was for her, sound familiar? And she reversed the mothers concern in the notes on child and when another nurse wanted to go in to help I, LL said it’ll be fine, the child then collapsed. Child N is the baby that had a bleeding condition, LL text a colleague saying she’d googled baby’s said condition and she’d read he only had 50/50 chance of living with having this, then just so happened that after involvement from LL yet again, baby N then was hurt causing bleeding, being one of only a few babies that had bleeding involved with. He was bleeding heavily from mouth and epiglottis was extremely swollen with bleeding. Again the notes don’t show any record of LL mentioning this blood earlier on. To me N shows she deliberately picked him as she thought it would be easy to cover her tracks. There was also all the Fb searches for these parents and more examples of falsifying notes and her account not matching other’s. If you get chance it’s all on page 4 of the wiki. (All the above is taken from what the prosecution have alleged she did on their opening statements for each baby).
I don’t know too much about hospital politics, but from what people share here about their experiences as patients/medics up and down the country, and what is on the news etc, it seems very obvious the problems lie at the top, and there are major problems up and down the country due to major funding cuts. I don’t think any hospital is truly perfect at the minute. Which must be awful for those that work within it, as it’s not absolutely not reflection on their hard work being put in, it seems mostly to be down to mismanagement from the top down, and lack of funding. Just for the record though, I had an op done privately recently, it still went wrong and they all panicked cos obvs there’s no emergency bit for these routine operations at private hospitals and as they said “this never happens here”. So private isn’t all it’s cracked up to be too. Also my consultant (orthopaedic) told me I’d be waiting 7 years for op on nhs, and that he felt awful that this was the state nhs is currently in but can’t do anything to change it, so I feel your pain about the bashing of the nhs/doctors/nurses when it isn’t their fault things are the way they currently are and they are also frustrated by it. The way it’s going is down the privatisation route I think, but thats a whole other story for another time.
Going back to LL, I deffo think the stuff on the wiki also shows her to be a pathological liar manipulating her colleagues and the parents. Also quickly going back to the evidence for E at the start of the day today, there was a lot of talk of oxygen levels and what they should be with the oxygen he was getting, and they weren’t what was expected given that. I just thought it was interesting, maybe, maybe not in relevance with what you said about LL potentially removing oxygen from a patient that wouldn’t show up on PM anyway
Me tooI’m sorry. That is how I feel too sometimes.
I am so interested to see your take on the wiki and insight into things. Thanks for your contribution.
The original fella (sorry for anyone this may offend)
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clearly the Police and the CPS agreed that despite these issues at the hospital there was still evidence of foul play. The doctors/hospital aren’t the ones who have decided to bring the case to court, they and all their errors are being exposed nationally due to the police and cps believing there is evidence here these children did not die of natural causes. So the idea that the dr “fits the account” of it not being NEC seems a bit far fetched to me. Because surely she could have maintained her initial conclusion and not been dragged all over the internet
I can definitely vouch for this. I think of it as staff such as Dietitians, Physiotherapists, Speech and Language Therapists etc are the 'black and white' specialisms, whereas medics are the 'all the grey areas in between and weighing up the picture as a whole' staff.
It’s tricky as an increase in deaths was likely followed by a review of processes and possible factors. We don’t know that moving LL to days was the only intervention made that resulted in a reduction (I’m assuming) in the number of babies dying. Presumably, if not, the defence will cover this.
I am really glad they’ve saved your life. But as someone who works on the front line I see disappointed patients most days who are let down by a system that has inadequate funding.
Just in relation to this consultant, regardless of whether or not LL called the SHO at 9pm, we know she did after the 10pm 15ml aspirate of fresh blood and the bloody vomit because the reg and SHO attended at 10.20. At 11 there was a 13ml aspirate and the medic had 'never seen a small baby bleed like this'. So this is 30ml total... desat at 11.40. The consultant gets there AFTER the desat.
So even if LL didn't raise concerns when there was a small amount of blood on his face at 9 she did at 10 and still didn't get good enough support. This was the most the reg had ever seen a baby bleed, and it was the second time it had happened. Why on earth did this consultant think it was appropriate to stay in bed while this was happening!?
Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong because this has turned my stomach.
So even if LL didn't raise concerns when there was a small amount of blood on his face at 9 she did at 10 and still didn't get good enough support. This was the most the reg had ever seen a baby bleed, and it was the second time it had happened. Why on earth did this consultant think it was appropriate to stay in bed while this was happening!?
Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong because this has turned my stomach.
Just seen round up from daily mail, I’m a little confused at this suggests the consultant was at home when called in. The Consultant was visibly upset today so I’m sure she is genuinely sorry to the parents, and regrets her decision. She also says she should have maybe been there earlier, but she doesn’t think it would have made any difference. Link to full article https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rents-baby-boy-murdered-nurse-Lucy-Letby.html
**** Ok just found another article in the Independent too, that has some more information than we heard today. It explains about a potential complication from placenta in womb, so would this have something to do with why F couldn’t be taken home if PM done? Definitely worth looking at this article I think for some more context on the situation regarding what we heard on live reporting today. There is a slight typo on one that says child C when it’s supposed to be E, link: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1668636334
**** Ok just found another article in the Independent too, that has some more information than we heard today. It explains about a potential complication from placenta in womb, so would this have something to do with why F couldn’t be taken home if PM done? Definitely worth looking at this article I think for some more context on the situation regarding what we heard on live reporting today. There is a slight typo on one that says child C when it’s supposed to be E, link: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1668636334
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I don’t think they would spend this amount of money if they had nothing to go on.
So I don't wanna be a right predictable fella and mention any other high-profile-long-running cases where high ranking establishments have been fighting through the courts, but yeh... kinda par for the course. And I expect it will be a LOT more by the end of the trial too.
True. I just thought it was worth sharing.
I get that but Charles Cullen killed patients, for 16 years, in a ‘for profit’ healthcare system. There have been killer nurses in Europe.
Why is this murder trial being turned into an excuse to constantly witch about the NHS?
You’ve mentioned several times now that you had a good experience recently and I’m really glad that you did, but that hasn’t been the experience for everyone and people are entitled to voice their negative stories about the NHS and opinions too. At the end of the day this trial has exposed failings at the hospital and has shown that the care some of those babies received was sub optimal. If we don’t complain about these sub standard conditions and talk about the dire state the NHS is currently in, how are things ever going to improve?
This solicitors has been working with the families for many years. I hope they get the justice they deserve.
Nurse, Lucy Letby charged in relation to Baby Deaths | News | Pryers
After the re-arrest of a nurse, regarding the death of babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital, this week, Lucy Letby has been charged.
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Baby G has been left with quite severe brain damage I think, so I really hope there has or will be help for them finance wise. All families deserve justice and compensation, but G’s family could well need financial help especially, depending on the needs of G, having suffered the, I think, permanent brain damage she has been left with
Yes, I get that. Of course people are entitled to voice their negative experiences. We all know there are failings within the NHS. We all know every healthcare system in the world has failings, for example, look at the number of medical malpractice suits in the USA.
I don’t know how many times I’ve heard ‘failing hospital’, ‘negligence’ etc, etc on this thread, even just today, it’s almost approaching Facebook levels. Can I say, it’s getting bloody tedious. How does constantly repeating these, known facts, actually add to the discussion, can’t we just take them as read?
Are things going to change because a bunch of people on Tattle are constantly bitching about it?
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when she was arrested 3 times, did they have to ‘let her go’ the first 2 times because they didn’t have enough evidence or?
I still find it really hard to imagine someone sat doing clerical duties for a long period of time knowing they were being suspected even just by colleagues of harming the babies, I just don’t know how she could turn up to work, even with the ongoing grievance. Also sorry not quite caught up today yet so realise I’m quoting a post from yesterday…
Although I completely agree with you – could you imagine the implications for the hospital if they fired her and she lodged an unfair dismissal claim? Even with circumstantial evidence or concern, there was no ‘real’ evidence at the time. I imagine it was a heavily discussed decision with some high up people within the hospital board/NHS who decided clerical duties would be best for her at the time. I do wonder if suspending her WITH pay would have been a better or viable option though…
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