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On a serious note, I’ve worked in places where half the nurses sounded just like the last few pages of this thread.

If your face didn’t fit (I.e. too old, too brown, not clarted in contour and highlights for a night shift) you were ignored, didn’t get your breaks allocated fairly, didn’t get the help you should have with patients.

Nursing can be intense, if you make a mistake, people die. I think a lot of younger women don’t have much of an identity outside work and the culture on some units can be absolutely vicious.

I’m starting to think Letby is guilty, but there is nothing wrong with taking your work seriously, enjoying the company of older colleagues, going on holiday with your parents or wearing horrible tops. Maybe she had a three bedroom house cos she didn’t spend all her wages doing keys in £200 dresses?

I am old and have never fitted in anywhere, I also did waste all my money on clothes and having a good time so I’m not feeling personally attacked. I’ve just worked in some toxic places and feel a bit sad that the thread has slid into similar “let’s pile on the frump”. It doesn’t make you prettier if you say she looks tit.
Sorry if anything has upset you, I don’t think anyone means anything by it. It’s just a bit of light relief from a horrendous topic. I’m partial to a matalan browse myself ❤
 
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I was thinking about analysis of signatures on the MAR sheets and who gave what meds and when. Maybe I'm missing something but LL could have given babies insulin into a line or introduced air into a baby at any time she was on shift - not just when she was doing meds, it would take seconds.

She has easy access to syringes, she could have kept a used syringe, not disposed of it in the sharps box and used it any time she was on shift. She was frequently in rooms in the unit that she had no business to be in.

So when she signed for meds seems irrelevant to me?
 
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Wish I could change my username to BeigeAndEnraged for the day lol.
 
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On a serious note, I’ve worked in places where half the nurses sounded just like the last few pages of this thread.

If your face didn’t fit (I.e. too old, too brown, not clarted in contour and highlights for a night shift) you were ignored, didn’t get your breaks allocated fairly, didn’t get the help you should have with patients.

Nursing can be intense, if you make a mistake, people die. I think a lot of younger women don’t have much of an identity outside work and the culture on some units can be absolutely vicious.

I’m starting to think Letby is guilty, but there is nothing wrong with taking your work seriously, enjoying the company of older colleagues, going on holiday with your parents or wearing horrible tops. Maybe she had a three bedroom house cos she didn’t spend all her wages doing keys in £200 dresses?

I am old and have never fitted in anywhere, I also did waste all my money on clothes and having a good time so I’m not feeling personally attacked. I’ve just worked in some toxic places and feel a bit sad that the thread has slid into similar “let’s pile on the frump”. It doesn’t make you prettier if you say she looks tit.
I think most of us have shopped in matalan or BHS over the years, lots of what she's wearing was very 00s typical fashion and the photos we're seeing are probably taken early 2010s, me and my friends had that JW gilet in 2011. Its more just a bit of lighthearted chat because the thread gets very intense otherwise. No offence was meant to anyone and everyone here has such sympathy and compassion for these families, we're nice fellas really.
 
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Sorry I’m not going to feel sorry for Letby because she’s being called a Hun. The general picture is that she’s far too pretty (🤔) to be a serial killer so this is just balance 😂 I mean yay to her for winning the prettiest serial killer award 🏆
If I was going to think I was superior to her in any way, I wouldn’t start with looks and clothes..more that I’ve never been accused of multiple murders of babies 💁🏻‍♀️ None of us here really think the fact Peacocks threw up on her means she’s guilty. It’s a bit of fun.
 
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I’m also sat here like 😲 with the realisation I don’t have the house of my dreams because I was ‘doing keys in 200 pound dresses’ .
 
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I was thinking about analysis of signatures on the MAR sheets and who gave what meds and when. Maybe I'm missing something but LL could have given babies insulin into a line or introduced air into a baby at any time she was on shift - not just when she was doing meds, it would take seconds.

She has easy access to syringes, she could have kept a used syringe, not disposed of it in the sharps box and used it any time she was on shift. She was frequently in rooms in the unit that she had no business to be in.

So when she signed for meds seems irrelevant to me?
Correct, but if she’s shown to be falsifying documents to cover her tracks, that could be classed as a criminal act in itself. Very serious in a medical setting.
 
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I’m also sat here like 😲 with the realisation I don’t have the house of my dreams because I was ‘doing keys in 200 pound dresses’ .
That one was a bit of a reach cos I’ve no idea what the current trend for cliquey witches in their mid 20s is 😬 I am inclined to think the economy has more to answer for, but have to admit my “boring friends” who went out once a month and wore the same three tops from Red Herring at Debenhams all through the 00s have lovely houses, and I, erm, don’t.
 
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Correct, but if she’s shown to be falsifying documents to cover her tracks, that could be classed as a criminal act in itself. Very serious in a medical setting.
True, but forging a signature on a MAR is a million miles away from being accused of multiple murders and attempted murders of babies 😕
 
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I’m also sat here like 😲 with the realisation I don’t have the house of my dreams because I was ‘doing keys in 200 pound dresses’ .
The british version of ‘if you dumb liberal millennials stopped spending all your money on starbucks and avocado toast, you’d be able to afford a house!!’
 
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That one was a bit of a reach cos I’ve no idea what the current trend for cliquey witches in their mid 20s is 😬 I am inclined to think the economy has more to answer for, but have to admit my “boring friends” who went out once a month and wore the same three tops from Red Herring at Debenhams all through the 00s have lovely houses, and I, erm, don’t.
We’re all wishing we were beige fellas now!
 
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True, but forging a signature on a MAR is a million miles away from being accused of multiple murders and attempted murders of babies 😕
True, but it could still, depending on the circumstances, get you struck off the nursing register.
At the very least, it indicates dishonesty.
 
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Correct, but if she’s shown to be falsifying documents to cover her tracks, that could be classed as a criminal act in itself. Very serious in a medical setting.
If you go through the wiki again she’s doing lots of interesting things. I know people have other ideas about parent witness accounts (there are too many dodgy ones for me) and there is one where a mother states Letby made her aware of how babies tummy was looking bad etc but in the notes Letby puts that the mother raised the concern to her!! There wasn’t a problem yet at all, it was Letby trying to set the scene that the baby had a problem before she begins to sabotage.
 
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I can’t find the post but yes, sometimes the beige people are the horrid ones, I was just musing on cliques and that whole “you can’t sit with us” attitude that is prevalent in a lot of workplaces, but seems to flourish in particular healthcare settings. I remember just thinking Jesus, it’s not year 9, an awful lot of the time.

Letby seems to have gone straight from school to her nursing degree, and I think that does create some weird people for whom it will ALWAYS be year 9.

I’m not a paragon by any means, and I too would put money on the fiat 500/Suzuki swift thing. I bet she likes Michael Buble too.

I just think “hive minds” are dangerous and I do wonder if the unit at COCH was a bit of a toxic place where it was easier for bad practice and wrong uns (not nice fellas?) to get on. LL may well have been a bit of a queen bee herself and blind eyes turned etc.
 
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You lot can duck off with yourselves I was a Jane norman QUEEN.
It was literally designed for lipstick lesbians.

Doing keys means sniffing coke in a bog from your key, not very glam.

My wife dresses like a 15 year old boy who likes heavy metal, she's tall and chunky and lovely as squishy. She doesn't care about fashion etc, never has nor will.
Doesn't mean she'd kill anyone for being different.
But if she was on trial for murder I fully expect she'd have people asking if she was listening to marilyn manson and lighting fires in bins.
(Neither of those things has she done. Just asked her to double check)

If you're on trial everything about you is questioned, is your home immaculate? Are you so glamorous that you're secretly riddled with insecurity and over compensating?
Do you look so ordinary because of fear of standing out?
Are you in debt for designer labels or are you dirty in unwashed clobber?

Everything will be scrutinised to try and paint a picture, please nobody get offended.
My fashion choices are a joke and my wife asks me, "off to a hoedown are you jess?" If I'm channelling my inner cowgirl, but if I was on trial they'd be questioning my boots and studded belts to paint a picture of my personality.

This is such a sad and serious case and I know joking around through such a case isn't everyone's cuppa but it's such a triggering case for any of us, parent or not, a light hearted chat or bit of personal experience etc kind of make these threads feel less glum.

I personally cant cope with hearing about the babies families etc but I'm hugely invested in who lucy is. The actual crimes and those poor parents hurts the soul, but I'm very intrigued by LL as a person.

Big love everyone even with all your crappy fashion choices, you're all wonderful people ❤
 
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