See this, along with leaving her own patient and being told to leave the parents repeatedly is really quite concerning to me.
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Voted guilty - the moment the defence made the statement along the lines of “here is a women who says this isn’t her fault” and not “here is a women who is innocent” I felt she was guilty. The defence can’t lie and they haven’t out right said she’s innocent, they are trying to cast doubt but for me it isn’t enough.
I know you say you aware of the Rebecca Leighton case, however, Rebecca was only the accused for a short space of time in comparison to Letby (horrendous all the same). The police and prosecution did get this wrong but once further evidence came to light the charges against her were dropped after five months. It never went to trial I believe ? And some ones else was responsible. Her’s was a case of the wrong person not that there wasn’t a poisoner or murderer at work. The police have been piecing evidence together for 7 years! The insulin incidents show that someone was deliberately hurting these babies! If it wasn’t Letby I think it’s likely after years they would have had another suspect in mind. It’s all pointing to her.
I agree - and attacks continued after she was suspended.
True- but if the actual killer in that case had just stopped murdering people as soon as Rebecca Leighton was charged then they possibly could have continued with prosecuting her. She obviously did enough to justify a charge but she was innocent. A lot of what ifs, and in some ways no they’re not comparable. But there’s a lot we don’t know about what has actually happened at the hospital LL was at and really I think a lot of it is stuff we won’t find out until after their investigation has ended, which could take years.I appreciate your opinion but, honestly,though she did go through hell....this case is enormous and investigation gone on for years. She was in custody 6 weeks or so before charges dropped...I personally don't think it compares, but appreciate we all have our thoughts and opinions and I honestly want to feel unsure, but just can't right at this moment sadly.
Still unsure, and probably won't say otherwise until the case is over. If this is still part of the agreed evidence/the prosecution, then there is still a long way to go and I'm keen that her defense make their case before I call her guilty. The prosecution are doing a great job at painting a narrative, but a lot of this is just circumstantial at the moment. Some of the witness testimonies seem to be contradictory to their original police statements as well, which isn't helping.
I didn’t realise you had replied much the same as me sorry @EllsBellsWellsI appreciate your opinion but, honestly,though she did go through hell....this case is enormous and investigation gone on for years. She was in custody for a short period, allbeit too long, before charges dropped...I personally don't think it compares, but appreciate we all have our thoughts and opinions and I honestly want to feel unsure, but just can't right at this moment sadly.
I think the Dr had written ??sepsis which I take to mean that although there were some minor signs that could point to sepsis, among other things, these were not sufficient to indicate this even approaching a firm diagnosis. I believe Baby C’s lactose levels were falling so that would likely indicate that sepsis was even less probable.
I mentioned earlier my grandson had precautionary antibiotics at birth because of some slightly raised blood results but the Dr explained these results could be caused by other factors, like the stress of birth, and they were erring on the side of caution by administering them.
In other words Baby C did not have sepsis, IMO.
We must have responded at same time, I didn't realise either
How can it be circumstantial when each and every baby collapsed within 2-15 minutes of her being around them? It’s all there in the prosecutions case.
Air by a baby’s spine isn’t circumstantial
I've missed the last 4 threads by being away, but I can see that there was a big swing to guilty between thread 10 and 11, can anyone provide a quick summary of what came out on that thread please?
Sorry to ask, but I feel very behind the curve.
Sorry to ask, but I feel very behind the curve.
It's circumstantial because she was known to be present but wasn't witnessed doing anything. Circumstantial evidence doesn't necessarily have less weight than direct evidence, especially when it's more than one incident, but this evidence is circumstantial in that something happened and she was there, and we might infer that she's responsible.
Minor annoyance given the subject matter being discussed in these threads, but I wish the court reporter would actually state when they break for lunch and what time they are expected back. Some days he does give an update saying court has now broken for lunch but only about 5 mins before they resume after an hour long break. I tend to check in on lunchbreak so it's good to know where it is at when is am trying to catch up.
Edit to add...he has just done exactly that. 2.02pm and said court has broken for lunch and is resuming at 2.05...3 mins later.
Edit to add...he has just done exactly that. 2.02pm and said court has broken for lunch and is resuming at 2.05...3 mins later.
Circumstancial evidence definition from google (won't trust myself to summarise from memory as I did an A level in law some time ago
):"Evidence that does not directly prove a fact in dispute, but allows the fact finder to draw a reasonable inference about the existence or non-existence of a fact based on the evidence."
It's not direct evidence and falls into circumstantial imo.Air by a baby’s spine isn’t circumstantial
I wasn’t sure what Opti flow was so had a Google.
Looks like high flow humidified air, or air/oxygen via a more sophisticated nasal cannula device. Very non-invasive.
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Looks like high flow humidified air, or air/oxygen via a more sophisticated nasal cannula device. Very non-invasive.
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Thankyou...saved me a job..keep meaning to look it up!I wasn’t sure what Opti flow was so had a Google.
Looks like high flow humidified air, or air/oxygen via a more sophisticated nasal cannula device. Very non-invasive.View attachment 1693225
Nasal High Flow Therapy Overview
Nasal High Flow (NHF) is a non-invasive respiratory support delivering high flows of blended air and oxygen through a nasal cannula. Learn more about NHF!
It’s very annoying. Would save having to refresh the page for a whole hour too
‘I can’t remember why I refreshed the page every 3 seconds officer’It’s very annoying. Would save having to refresh the page for a whole hour too
They usually break 1-2 pm.
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