Lucy Letby Case #10

[Emmelina Ball]

I’m not sure. At this stage I haven’t seen anything that convinces me she murdered them but I am doubting her on a number of things so I feel more unsure than I do innocent but not enough to throw the book at her yet. I suspect the further we get through the cases the more I’ll sway to and fro. One things for certain there are no winners in this case. It’s so traumatic for all involved. I really hope the jury are getting good support it must be so difficult to hear and see every detail about each case while seeing their parents and families

 

[mRsKbRoOkS]

Concerning the note, shall we highlight how many times she did actually appear to proclaim she was guilty in comparison to the one part which she apparently states she didn’t.

The obvious
1, I killed them on purpose because I’m not good enough too care for them!

2, I am evil, I did this!

3, I did this!

4, I am an awful person I pay every day for that. (Why are you an awful person ?)

5, I am a horrible and evil person (why are you if you are innocent?)

6, I don’t deserve to live (why if you haven’t done anything wrong ?)

The only hint of a proclamation of innocence is imo “ I haven’t done anything wrong” - that doesn’t even say innocent. That sounds like her trying to justify her actions to her self. It’s Everyone else’s fault, police forget, slander, discrimination, victimisation! It’s their fault not mine if they hadn’t pushed me I wouldn’t have acted.

 

[friedeggontoast]

It depends on the question. If she was asked if she had pushed air through a tube or after having an air embolism explained to her she may know the answer?

We’re talking about a band 6 nurse who was given responsibility for student nurses. Should she really have needed an air embolism explained to her!? If so she shouldn’t have been in that job

 

[stardust1]

Just for balance



The colleague replies: "It will be but it does happen to these babies unfortunately."

The colleague recalls a baby who had previously died in the neonatal unit, but had "overwhelming sepsis" so "nothing would have saved that baby".

Letby, in her reply, says: "It's heartbreaking but it's not about me."

Letby: "It's not about me or anybody else, it's those poor parents who have to walk away without their baby."

Letby: "We are a good team and we will get through. You did so so well."

The colleague: "We all did - so lucky to work with such an amazing and supportive team."

Exactly what an attention seeker would reply IMO

 

[Haveyouanywool]

Very sadly, it would have probably taken a few months to really think something illegal was going on but I’d like to find out why it took 12 months for anything definite to happen.

 

[StatusWoe]

More about texts this morning

Her mother saying 'we are so proud of you' only makes it sadder.

 

[Lackofimagination]

god I feel today has been a huge turning point in this case. I feel sick. Speaking to my NHS friends about the case and a couple of people said they are so pedantic about air. Even on a grown heavy bloke just using for example. Can you imagine how careful you’d be with a tiny premature baby… this is no accident.

 

[IdeletedbutI'mbackagain]

Without sounding awfull I worked 10 years on a busy ward and every death was heartbreaking ( adult ) but we had to get on with the job yes we would all wish each other well and ask how other staff members was after the death but the next day you didn’t speak about it . I often went home upset over a death I attended a mans funeral only because he was in for such a long time I formed a good bond with him and his lovely wife and the staff agreed for me to attend as I often went in on my days off because he wouldn’t let anybody else do his personal care . Like I say though you get on with the job and nobody speaks about it after . Clearly Lucy was seeking attention and constant praise from her work colleagues.

She had to have been exhausting to work with, people like that just drain those around them.

 

[stardust1]

I don't think you have to look very far tbh. She makes everything about her, at best she is a distasteful person.

I agree, I also don’t think you can say she was a great nurse when she was leaving other sick babies so she could do what SHE wanted. Nursing is about other people.

 

[Faith61]

Dr Evans appears to be giving as good as he gets this afternoon and handling himself very well......!!

 

[candyland_]

That’s the exact vibe I got from the text messages, very me me me and self interested, it wasn’t even any particular part but all of them as whole kind of thing. However, because I’m swaying to guilty am I just looking at it that way? It’s hard not to be unbiased when you have already some what formed an opinion, f*ck being on that jury! I really am trying to be open minded but it’s difficult, and I hear you!

I thought the same about the texts. She had other staff checking how she was (Why I have no idea - there was a whole team working on the baby so why did she put herself out there as being the one who suffered the most), we heard how she hadn’t slept , how she couldn’t face the parents, how hard it was for her coming back onto the ward etc. Everything revolved back to her in a self centred way. I can’t remember reading any sympathy for the babies and their families in those texts.

 

[friedeggontoast]

Dr Evans:

Somehow air had got into the circulation...I found this opinion without knowing about the rash and without anybody suggesting expressing concern of air embolus.

He rules out other conditions such as sepsis, a lack of fluids or hypoxia as causes, or contributing factors to the collapse.

He said he had "only one" conclusion, that Child A had received an air embolus, "through an IV line".

 

[Windowtothewall]

The fact she says she doesn’t know what an air embolism was?? Is that possible for a highly qualified ITU nurse?

I thought all the medics here said it was standard knowledge for a nurse, hence why she wouldn’t have been inspired by that tv show?

 

[jackolantern]

Hi guys. Just come across this thread so I'm going to go back and read from the beginning. Just a quick hello from me and I hope you're all managing OK with hearing the details from this case as I expect it has been pretty soul destroying

Oh lord, good luck, make a strong coffee and plenty of choccy digestives

 

[friedeggontoast]

The pump would alarm if air was present in a line and stop administration. It can be bypassed if the air was injected in, say a cannula that was not in use or another port (they sometimes have more than one).

I'm interested to know whether you will have the same stance on the defence expert witnesses if and when they are put on the stand? If so, then what's the point in them in the first place? Genuinely curious

Good point, if we are to discredit the prosecution’s expert witnesses, we also have to discredit the defence’s expert witnesses. In doing so we may as well just scrap them all together from court cases if we just choose not to trust them!

 

[jackolantern]

Agree to disagree - I'd hate for you to see my/my colleagues texts

You aren't on trial for mass baby murder though. It's context.

 

[Emmelina Ball]

Yesterday I was firmly uncertain and unsure. Today I feel much closer to guilty. So far it looks to me that LL is very possibly guilty and the hospital have also been negligent. It’s so horrible to read I may need to take breaks from this

 

[candyland_]

Also, having to be the one to tell people and message people on what I assume is their day off. Normal texts back and forth to colleagues is normal for sure, but to discuss patients like this doesn’t seem normal. I’d be worried about my colleagues if I got texts like this all the time.

Her colleagues have told her multiple times to ‘switch off’, they advised her to stay in room 3 and away from the higher needs babies for a while, there’s more that I can’t remember off the top of my head but they were all along the lines of stop thinking about it.

 

[Lackofimagination]

Probably not my place to say this. But I’ll be lighting a candle at 7pm tonight for the babies and the families. I can’t get them out of my mind and it’s not my place to do anything publicly or anything like that. so I’ll be lighting a candle at home at 7 If anyone would like to do the same. Us tattle trolls do have a heart

 

[wishiniwasskinny]

I think people need to rememebr the point of the evidence is that the prosecution WANT to bias the jury to a decision of guilt. So of course they are utilising what they can to paint the picture. To put doubt in the mind. Why was she so desperate to be in that room all night? Despite being told by her senior no. Why then after she got into that room for reasons she constructed a baby die 20 mins later ? It isn’t a conclusive answer, but I agree with the poster above who said this all adds to the picture that she placed herself there. The defence will likely be painting her as a caring nurse who wanted to help everyone and do her best. But when you do read the messages about being in room 1 you can’t deny she is pushing for something