Yes I’m like that now, the NHS tbh has stripped of the energy and passion I had at the beginning of my career.
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Unfortunately this is just the reality of the NHS under the tories, it’s unfortunately very common for entire departments to be operating at this capacity for long periods of time and there’s just duck all you can do about it, you have to just keep coming into work each day. It’s the results of years of funding cuts and it’s just so depressing.
With all the talk of the threshold for taking a case to court etc, surely that leads to a bias of only who is considered 'guilty' to be going through a court trial then? I'm not sure I'm articulating that very well.
They didn’t necessarily get it wrong. There was probably not sufficient evidence of proof. It’s not always about what happened but about proving it happened.
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also I’ve seen a lot of posts that it is normal for nurses to search patients on social media. Actually this goes against a lot of the policies and procedures regarding confidentiality and you are not “allowed” to go searching patients. If you have a valid safeguarding concern you make a referral you do not become a personal detective.
In nicu you do get some parents who update the ward on how their baby Is doing and they will send photos and letters updating you but this is only some parents and usually babies who have had a long stay.
In a level 3 nicu hospital you would more likely have a few more deaths due to how poorly the babies are. The countess was not therefore there would be a relatively low rate of neonate deaths. Desaturations would happen with baby needing some support and then recovering but multiple babies needing cpr is pretty unusual.
In nicu you do get some parents who update the ward on how their baby Is doing and they will send photos and letters updating you but this is only some parents and usually babies who have had a long stay.
In a level 3 nicu hospital you would more likely have a few more deaths due to how poorly the babies are. The countess was not therefore there would be a relatively low rate of neonate deaths. Desaturations would happen with baby needing some support and then recovering but multiple babies needing cpr is pretty unusual.
Yes, but to be fair, I wasn’t working in the NHS at that point.
Thanks so much for the input. I’ve worked in a paediatric hospital setting but not NICU. I have some knowledge but really have no idea what the frequency of these events usually are.
It’s enlightening to hear some first hand knowledge, and to discovery that the frequency of these events were most unusual.
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Also another thing, you cannot write in a patients notes you believe xyz person is dangerous or raise suspicions about a member of staff that is more of a whistleblowing situation and you would go to senior management and go through the process of this. Patient notes are notes about the patient not staff members
In an article dated 2020. Still not convinced about the scapegoat situation tho as many nurses have came on the thread and said they experienced bullying but no one has said they experienced bullying and being accused of murdering 7 babies so not exactly the norm
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unfortunately deaths do occur, level 3 we are looking at babies under 28 weeks in the countess it would be babies around 32 weeks, with no strong need for ventilation more that 2-3 days otherwise those babies are transferred out to a level 3 unit.
I’ve seen you’ve added letters (a) and so on. That is probably the best solution. With HTML what you would do is, you would add that differentiating letter (a) within the HTML code and then add the same letter (a) to the internal link in the HTML, which would all be in the background and then the linked word could still be the same as others but the code would tell it to link to different parts of the document. However, it’s an awful lot of internal links within the HTML and BB code probably just isn’t set up to do that.
It looks good anyway, the way you’ve done it. You’ll be an expert by the end of it. And you’ve organised it incredibly well so the as 5e case gets bigger anyone could just drop in and pick out parts to read.
I think it’s excellent and thank you for doing it for us.
Yes bullying is quite a common theme in the nhs and if you looked at a lot of hospitals in the uk, not many are reaching cqc standards of good. Equally a lot of units are terribly understaffed but this doesn’t equal what she is being accused of. I think more will come to light regarding the rash/mottling of skin and air embolism
When I was in NICU the nurses always said they were understaffed but equally I never witnessed a baby die. I’m certain there will be some decent evidence to come. It’s too big of an accusation to be throwing around just because of NHS bullying culture.
Yes! Overconfidence isn't admirable. Nobody knows everything and people de-skill over time... the best acknowledge that.
Thanks so much. I remember with the Star and Arthur threads last year posters often wanting to go back to certain bits to pick out things they had remembered so I’m trying to future proof it!
I went down a Google rabbit hole of bbcode and html and I just thought sod this, I’ll do the brackets thing!
This may be because it is too horrific and traumatising to think that a colleague (a woman, young and attractive) could behave in such a monstrous way. It shakes the foundation of trust which is essential in these settings.
The only reason why I hope she's innocent is because the thought of those babies dying at the hands of a killer. So although I do think she's guilty, I hope to be proved wrong and it was actually possible that those babies died naturally by a failing hospital.
Admin duties would be difficult to defend without making a very serious accusation which would destroy her credibility. If they thought that there was some incompetence then putting her on days with more support and more people around would make a difference.
Yes, sadly deaths will still occur, which is only to be expected. It’s the frequency and manner of these particular deaths that seems to be unusual.
Yes it’s your choice… but it’s also very hard to say no. I’ve had daily phone calls on my days off, begging me to come in, telling me how short staffed they are, telling me what the effect on patients will be if I don’t go in, saying I’m their only option, literal begging.
The NHS does not care about the well-being of their staff in any way, and are happy to eat you alive and burn you out if it means their ward is staffed.
I hope we’ll find the truth of the matter. If she killed these babies then she must be found guilty.
If there are hospital failings then they must be highlighted but an enquiry will happen after the trial.
Both possibilities are not mutually exclusive.
It’s really not about our sensibilities. I wouldn’t want to think that a serial killer could be found not guilty because people couldn’t confront the evidence.
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