I wonder what the sudden obsession is with behaving like she can do 36,000 things a day. She has seemed intent upon impressing someone this w/e with her ability to pull off loads of things at once - go for a walk, a run, teach her delegates, do DIY, edit 10,000 words - she has really been driving home how much multi tasking she is capable of. This is new. She must be competing with someone for some specific reason. M’s girlfriend perhaps? It has been really obvious.
Liz Fraser #5 She has gon-dola mad in Oxford & Venice, yet again.
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Good morning, Liz, you're a nutter.
Good morning, Liz, you're a nutter.
I seen to remember she was similarly manic when yellow trotters allegedly visited. Earlier than ever runs and long walks. My theory is that when she is with people, her calorie count increases, so she has to do extra stuff to make sure she stays that ickle girl she sees herself as.
My theory is she was either alone the entire time - hence silent videos, solo 90 minute walks, middle of the day diy, bull tit videos saying she’s so happy her guests are at lunch and she’s doing amazingly… but the clock says 9.30am and it’s clearly morning…. Liz in random places when she’s meant to be holding a retreat, hiding in her flat or lunatic asylum when she’s meant to be holding a writers retreat…
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She had one elderly guest, Possibly a kindly lady from Oxford who has been convinced along. Elderly so needs naps, can be convinced/ hoodwinked to stay in her hotel most the time and best of all HAS NO SOCIAL MEDIA so cannot see Liz lying about multiple retreat guests and packed days. OR that lady was just a random English tourist Liz befriended hysterically this week so she could include a voice and a hand to her absolutely bizarre pantomime of an entire fake retreat complete with guests congratulating Liz ( ???
) and telling her they’re so proud of her….
Yes she’s DEFINITELY trying to sprite/ impress
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She had one elderly guest, Possibly a kindly lady from Oxford who has been convinced along. Elderly so needs naps, can be convinced/ hoodwinked to stay in her hotel most the time and best of all HAS NO SOCIAL MEDIA so cannot see Liz lying about multiple retreat guests and packed days. OR that lady was just a random English tourist Liz befriended hysterically this week so she could include a voice and a hand to her absolutely bizarre pantomime of an entire fake retreat complete with guests congratulating Liz ( ???
) and telling her they’re so proud of her….Yes she’s DEFINITELY trying to sprite/ impress
What’s with all the leaving in the middle of the night because she has a school run thing? The first flights out of Venice don’t get to London until about 8. I’d guess she’d be on the cheapest and they go to Gatwick and so then she has to get from Sussex to Oxford. Maybe she’s talking about the after school pick up but in that case there is no need to leave at 3 in the morning. The only need to leave at 3 in the morning is to get the dirt cheap flights. Could it be that Liz is misleading us a bit?
10,000 words. Are all writing works in progress required to be 10,000. This seems a lot / a little depending on the end product.
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She’s also breached her own NDA. What happened to retreat rules?
As we said goodbye one author said to me, "you did everything you said you would, and it's been fantastic. You should be very proud."
The big giveaway, always is the use of the Oxford comma.
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She’s also breached her own NDA. What happened to retreat rules?
As we said goodbye one author said to me, "you did everything you said you would, and it's been fantastic. You should be very proud."
The big giveaway, always is the use of the Oxford comma.
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It's completely unbelievable, all this 'I created and ran a successful 4-day writing retreat' bollocks. We have seen hardly any evidence of any of it. Her delegates (if they existed which I still doubt) were made to work in cafes and not in her flat where it's quieter. They've had their work emailed to them rather than actually gone through in person with their tutor. They seemed to mostly be napping, lunching or going on excursions while their tutor runs, washes, does DIY, loads posts to social media etc. It's a giant, massive con.
@Ginnyreturns Of course it's a con. Everything with Liz Fraser is a con. Headcase was a con. Wedgie Press was a con. Coming Clean was a con. C-PTSD was a con. The 'reasons' for parental alienation were a con. Her being 'friends' with women as a conduit to targeting their husbands is a con. Liz Fraser, Queen Con.
The only thing that possibly isn't a con is her trauma. She presents as a seriously damaged woman, self-obsessed and with massive untreated behavioural issues. She's controlling yet out of control, she's angry, deluded, lost. She spends her days and nights talking and laughing into her phone, because she has no real humans to talk and laugh with. She alienates everybody around her because she is incapable of humility, empathy, or kindness. She's incapable of even feigning interest in others. She presents like a preening pre-teen, who thinks the world adores her. She chews people up and spits them out. She gains attention from men by her promiscuity and incontinence. She has not the slightest understanding of other people, apart from either wanting to devour and punish them, or wanting strangers to adore and validate her. I always find this last part so odd. If she thinks everybody is beneath her then why does she need the adoration from them? Adoration from losers? What's that all about? Who cares what grubby old men in cyberspace think? A conversation with a good friend is worth a million faceless pervs quivering with excitement over the holey shorts.
And I truly believe her trauma comes from her childhood. Nobody would be that mixed up and have that many problems without having had a traumatic childhood. God knows what went on in her childhood, but I would not be surprised if it was something extremely sinister. She doesn't have a good relationship with parents or sibling, does she?
Whatever the origins, though, nothing can excuse the way she has conducted herself towards others. The men, the wives and her own children. She's a one-woman wrecking ball.
Ridiculous, damaging, damaged woman!
The only thing that possibly isn't a con is her trauma. She presents as a seriously damaged woman, self-obsessed and with massive untreated behavioural issues. She's controlling yet out of control, she's angry, deluded, lost. She spends her days and nights talking and laughing into her phone, because she has no real humans to talk and laugh with. She alienates everybody around her because she is incapable of humility, empathy, or kindness. She's incapable of even feigning interest in others. She presents like a preening pre-teen, who thinks the world adores her. She chews people up and spits them out. She gains attention from men by her promiscuity and incontinence. She has not the slightest understanding of other people, apart from either wanting to devour and punish them, or wanting strangers to adore and validate her. I always find this last part so odd. If she thinks everybody is beneath her then why does she need the adoration from them? Adoration from losers? What's that all about? Who cares what grubby old men in cyberspace think? A conversation with a good friend is worth a million faceless pervs quivering with excitement over the holey shorts.
And I truly believe her trauma comes from her childhood. Nobody would be that mixed up and have that many problems without having had a traumatic childhood. God knows what went on in her childhood, but I would not be surprised if it was something extremely sinister. She doesn't have a good relationship with parents or sibling, does she?
Whatever the origins, though, nothing can excuse the way she has conducted herself towards others. The men, the wives and her own children. She's a one-woman wrecking ball.
Ridiculous, damaging, damaged woman!
I don't think any of us could have put it any better, Rhine. I fear for her - she's living right on the edge of something, the whole time. I'm predicting that menopause will be catastrophic for her - let's face it, even if you're mentally sound at the beginning of menopause you can still be wrecked by the end of it, and she's not mentally sound to start off with. The effects on mind, emotions and body are a real wake-up call and she will have to go through it just like the rest of us.
You have presented the best analysis of her to date. I wonder how we put this in a Tattle wiki? It’s just so spot on. I truly believe her childhood was extremely damaged and damaging. Full of emotional neglect.
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Absolutely. I have firsthand experience and have heard stories about menopause flooring even the strongest women. However, some women breeze through it without any issues. It is unpredictable.
We do know that hormonal changes often worsen mental health conditions. Her struggles during and after pregnancy might indicate she will find menopause challenging. And without any friends for support, her experience is bound to be challenging.
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The weight gain aspects of menopause are hard to handle - I was skinny like LF until 50 and then suddenly started developing The Belly (shudder) and my body shape changed a lot. I have found it pretty hard and I wasn't obsessively skinny like she is either. Even with good friends, good GP, good HRT and positive attitude it's still a massive challenge for so many women.
Well said Rhino. And, yes, menopause will be a challenge. Unless her running is really helpful. It’s like being run over by a bus, out of nowhere. I also predict a ramp-up in posts alluding to abuse at the hands of men now. She will read your words on past trauma but, while they are most likely bang on the money, she likes to keep M (and HWCBN) under the cosh, doesn’t she, for an array of ‘crimes to Liz’.
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). It’s such a difficult time. I still HATE my post meno hair!!
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I still feel that menopause put a line through my life. It slowly knocked the energy out of me. I didn’t really gain weight (but I was put on antidepressants to control hot flushes, which controlled the weight. I MIGHT share the name of the antidepressant for a small fee
). It’s such a difficult time. I still HATE my post meno hair!!
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Look at this site for an example of properly-run, gorgeous writing holidays in beautiful castles and led by expert tutors! Almost tempted myself!
Home - Rocaberti Castle Writers' Retreat (rocabertiwriters.com)
Home - Rocaberti Castle Writers' Retreat (rocabertiwriters.com)
Careful about giving Liz the menopause hook to hang her dysfunction on or she’ll be going through another re-invention as a menopause expert, launching another publishing house/campaign on an unsuspecting world. Probably called Headway. Or Edgecase.
The hair. No one tells you this.Well said Rhino. And, yes, menopause will be a challenge. Unless her running is really helpful. It’s like being run over by a bus, out of nowhere. I also predict a ramp-up in posts alluding to abuse at the hands of men now. She will read your words on past trauma but, while they are most likely bang on the money, she likes to keep M (and HWCBN) under the cosh, doesn’t she, for an array of ‘crimes to Liz’.
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I still feel that menopause put a line through my life. It slowly knocked the energy out of me. I didn’t really gain weight (but I was put on antidepressants to control hot flushes, which controlled the weight. I MIGHT share the name of the antidepressant for a small fee
Or Headcase. Headcase Press!
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Oh, THE HAIR. Yes. Looks great for one day post-salon. Then seems to be flyaway, untameable, thin, lank, lopsided and all the rest!
@RhinoRhino 
@Ginnyreturns - that looks incredible, with tutors I’ve actually heard of!!
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mae-on, nobody believes this for an instant”…
@Ginnyreturns - that looks incredible, with tutors I’ve actually heard of!!
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In her case it should always be the “Oxford com
Omg good point. Or a silly book called The Menopause Minx’s Survival Guide. Same delusional ‘instructions’ as in her earlier Yummy Mummy’s Survival Guide as she still hasn’t grown up yet.
I wouldn't worry about giving her an excuse or idea as she would NEVER be able to compete with the more accomplished authors or meno experts out there anyway - and she wouldn't DARE to compete against technical knowledge like divina McCall etc. they would bat her right off the self and already have off their SM 
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.Bit of disclosure re my previous post. My best friend from school is 60 today. I was in the middle of getting ready to go and meet her, and I had been thinking about women and friendship, when I felt compelled to post. My friend and I were in the same class in primary school, and one day got put together to do some tidying at the back of the class. She said something to me which made us both burst out laughing, and we’ve now been laughing together ever since - for over 50 years. We’ve been friends for nearly our whole lives, through the horrible boyfriends, the awful fashions, the perms, ‘O’ levels, ‘A’ levels, Uni, weddings, bringing up children, and she is now a grandmother. We’ve been friends through all the ups and downs of life, including many celebrations and (not so many) funerals. She tells me when I am talking tit. We have our own secret phrases and words that will still crack us up, and which we could never manage to explain to anybody else in a way that they would understand. Or find funny. We still laugh about her cleaning up my vomit at her 16th birthday party with a spoon and a copy of her dad’s Socialist Worker’s Weekly. In fact, we laugh about most things, often very inappropriately. My kids love her. My husband is scared of her acerbic wit. (Which suits me fine, as we don’t need the menfolk around when we are together!)
Fifty years of friendship. That’s women supporting women right there. Thinking about it made me disdainful of LF even more than ever. Liz and her crass self-serving nonsense. What has she ever done for women? What sort of a friend has she ever been?
Like I said before, whatever the origins of her apparent trauma she absolutely has no right to visit her toxicity on other, innocent, normal, lovely people. And if she’d had friends like my friends she would never have done any of it. They wouldn't have let her get away with it and would have been 100% supportive in her seeking help for her demons.
Fifty years of friendship. That’s women supporting women right there. Thinking about it made me disdainful of LF even more than ever. Liz and her crass self-serving nonsense. What has she ever done for women? What sort of a friend has she ever been?
Like I said before, whatever the origins of her apparent trauma she absolutely has no right to visit her toxicity on other, innocent, normal, lovely people. And if she’d had friends like my friends she would never have done any of it. They wouldn't have let her get away with it and would have been 100% supportive in her seeking help for her demons.