Liz Fraser #5 She has gon-dola mad in Oxford & Venice, yet again.

[ORhineORhine]

Oooh – a review from yesterday’s Oxford Retreat. Unfortunately it’s now disappeared, but as luck should have it I remembered it word for word:

‘Thank you so much Liz! I just loved the writing course! I’m so happy you helped me with my grammar and punctuation – my writing looks so much more professional now. I’m in awe of your writing success (along with all your other successes) and completely understand that Things and Stuff meant you couldn’t carry on with 3 Teens and a Baby, Edgeway Press, the Venice Diaries, the Running Diaries, the articles for Italia magazine, the important DV report for the Police, the various other blogs, the paperback version of Coming Clean etc. It didn’t matter to me that The Missing Bean didn’t have a table – Greggs was fun! And I’m really sorry that both Blackwells and the Oxford College lost your booking, and that the Randolph asked us to order drinks and food or leave. I totally understand that you are a MOTHER so had to go for a run and put on some washing and speak furiously on your mobile during the course, along with yelling ‘cxxt’ at some beardy dour Scot who happened to walk by. (I mean, who doesn’t yell profanities at people in public – it’s so creative and edgy!) I really feel that we are friends now – even though I am still in awe of you – and I’m so looking forward to staying at Casa Liz to complete my new novel. I am beyond excited about the whole thing. Go Liz. You got this!’

 

[Replyingnow]

I’ve been in touch with ‘ObservingToo,’ a member from Mumsnet who had interactions with Liz Fraser.

She’s a domestic violence survivor who financially donated to Liz, believing in her cause. Liz had pleaded poverty and said she wasn’t able to feed her children or heat their home. The next day, Liz hosted a champagne party, spent £50 on narcissi bulbs and headed to Sicily.

Unfortunately, when ObservingToo inquired about a project Liz was promoting in partnership with the NCDV subsequently, she was accused of trolling and blocked.

ObservingToo has been attempting to get a refund for the Substack she took out, but with the help of Citizen’s Advice, has had no joy.

She is willing to share her story with the media, provided her identity is protected due to her and her children’s need for safety in their current safe housing situation.

Perhaps Liz will be willing to share the breakfast sofa with OT and Ben Shepherd…

 

[intriguedbythis]

I think she thinks Trolling means..

“people saying things I don’t like”.

 

[Ginnyreturns]

I am writing a new book. My 12th. Nobody on social media apart from you lovely lot will be aware of that at the moment and I don’t even have an Instagram account. But maybe I should. Maybe I should get into my asymmetric top, don my bowler hat, roar with laughter at nobody and take a selfie. Maybe I should proclaim my fledgling work as the most exciting, amazing, top secret, world-changing, leg-platforming work of creativity that mankind has ever seen. Or maybe I will just do what I always do, which is shut myself away in a room and do battle with it, full of self-doubt and convinced that I can't do it and then pour a drink and watch Netflix with a giant bag of crisps. Because that's 'a thing' for most writers. The real ones.

 

[ORhineORhine]

Bit of disclosure re my previous post. My best friend from school is 60 today. I was in the middle of getting ready to go and meet her, and I had been thinking about women and friendship, when I felt compelled to post. My friend and I were in the same class in primary school, and one day got put together to do some tidying at the back of the class. She said something to me which made us both burst out laughing, and we’ve now been laughing together ever since - for over 50 years. We’ve been friends for nearly our whole lives, through the horrible boyfriends, the awful fashions, the perms, ‘O’ levels, ‘A’ levels, Uni, weddings, bringing up children, and she is now a grandmother. We’ve been friends through all the ups and downs of life, including many celebrations and (not so many) funerals. She tells me when I am talking shit. We have our own secret phrases and words that will still crack us up, and which we could never manage to explain to anybody else in a way that they would understand. Or find funny. We still laugh about her cleaning up my vomit at her 16th birthday party with a spoon and a copy of her dad’s Socialist Worker’s Weekly. In fact, we laugh about most things, often very inappropriately. My kids love her. My husband is scared of her acerbic wit. (Which suits me fine, as we don’t need the menfolk around when we are together!)

Fifty years of friendship. That’s women supporting women right there. Thinking about it made me disdainful of LF even more than ever. Liz and her crass self-serving nonsense. What has she ever done for women? What sort of a friend has she ever been?

Like I said before, whatever the origins of her apparent trauma she absolutely has no right to visit her toxicity on other, innocent, normal, lovely people. And if she’d had friends like my friends she would never have done any of it. They wouldn't have let her get away with it and would have been 100% supportive in her seeking help for her demons.

 

[nobotoxta]

Made me chuckle a bit - she is literally putting stories up of paint drying....That's as interesting ad it gets lately.

 

[UmbrellaMadeItHereAtLast]

I’m confused as to why Liz is in Oxford doing live TV (discussing a story in today’s news so it’s not an old video) when according to her own website she is running a fully-booked four day retreat in Venice. This is copied and pasted from the site

Dates. All dates are inclusive, for 4 days.

MARCH 14-17 - 50% discount on ALL places for this special, pre-launch retreat.
APRIL: 25-28. FULLY BOOKED
MAY: 23-25
JUNE: 6-8
JULY: 4-6

 

[ORhineORhine]

@Ginnyreturns Of course it's a con. Everything with Liz Fraser is a con. Headcase was a con. Wedgie Press was a con. Coming Clean was a con. C-PTSD was a con. The 'reasons' for parental alienation were a con. Her being 'friends' with women as a conduit to targeting their husbands is a con. Liz Fraser, Queen Con.

The only thing that possibly isn't a con is her trauma. She presents as a seriously damaged woman, self-obsessed and with massive untreated behavioural issues. She's controlling yet out of control, she's angry, deluded, lost. She spends her days and nights talking and laughing into her phone, because she has no real humans to talk and laugh with. She alienates everybody around her because she is incapable of humility, empathy, or kindness. She's incapable of even feigning interest in others. She presents like a preening pre-teen, who thinks the world adores her. She chews people up and spits them out. She gains attention from men by her promiscuity and incontinence. She has not the slightest understanding of other people, apart from either wanting to devour and punish them, or wanting strangers to adore and validate her. I always find this last part so odd. If she thinks everybody is beneath her then why does she need the adoration from them? Adoration from losers? What's that all about? Who cares what grubby old men in cyberspace think? A conversation with a good friend is worth a million faceless pervs quivering with excitement over the holey shorts.

And I truly believe her trauma comes from her childhood. Nobody would be that mixed up and have that many problems without having had a traumatic childhood. God knows what went on in her childhood, but I would not be surprised if it was something extremely sinister. She doesn't have a good relationship with parents or sibling, does she?

Whatever the origins, though, nothing can excuse the way she has conducted herself towards others. The men, the wives and her own children. She's a one-woman wrecking ball.

Ridiculous, damaging, damaged woman!

 

[Wooh]

Oh, pick a lane, PriviLiz!

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Liar. Revolting liar

 

[Ginnyreturns]

Sorry I'm late to this discussion. I was standing by the edge of a motorway having a conversation with Life and filming my hair floating in the breeze and lost track of time. I'm back now though and have just realised that I am typing this on a computer that I bought in a computer shop.

 

[Marstonroadmrs]

The grooming of Scout continues.

“it's going to change the world for the better, and make it a nicer place.
For you and for everyone. That's what I always try to do in my books."

Ask daddy his thoughts on this.

Ask your siblings daddy his thoughts on this.

What is she doing discussing this book with her 6 year old? Gaslighting her is what she’s doing.

 

[ORhineORhine]

Following the image of Liz, the travelling Dairymaid, I felt inspired by Benny Hill's Ernie (not a euphemism! )



Now Lizzie loved a Scotsman, a curmudgeon known as Mike
When he broke free, ignored her plea, she chased him on her bike
They said he was no good for her, this irascible young lush
But the fixation that she had for him had turned her brains to mush

They called her Lizz-eeeee (Lizzeeeeee)
And she rode the fastest pushbike in the west

One lunchtime Liz saw Mike slumped in a coma by her door
It drove her mad to find he was still there at half past four
And as she leapt down basement stairs, to sort a makeshift bed
Mike rose from the dead, he banged his head, and then he turned and fled

They called him Mikey (Mikeeeeeee)
And he was the biggest boozer in the west

Next Lizzie dragged him from a bar beneath the Venice sun
They stood there face to face and glared, then Mike turned round to run
But Lizzie was too quick for him, things didn't go the way Mike planned
She did scream and shout, and then “lashed out” and grabbed him by the hand

Poor Mikey (Mikeeeeee)
Trapped in the smelliest floating city in the west

Now Mike was only 32, he didn't wanna die
So he sobered up, got off his arse, now sells coffee beans. Oh aye
His customers are angels and ferocious bints are banned
And the coffee-jockey’s life is fab in fancy coffee-land

But a woman's needs are many fold and Liz went back on-line
Got lots of blokes to ogle her but still she tends to whine
Perhaps one day she’ll forget young Mike, the grumpy dour barista
And find some bloke who fancies her at the vintage place in Bicester!

We won’t forget Lizzie (Lizzieeeeee)
Coz her funny SM blather is the best.

 

[Raker]

Thank you @ORhineORhine xx — and “one-woman wrecking ball” is an early contender for thread title!


So, do we think this Emily Cockayne discourse points to a book about trolling? Should be fun.
Sali Hughes and Jack Monroe both tried that too… revealed more about the actual truth of their situation than they intended, making both look ridiculous and sending ever more people here to discover the truth.

But it would be nice for Liz to examine proper trolling (hideous death and violence threats, sometimes in person*) and compare this with online groups pointing out the lying and inconsistency of someone’s grifting ways —ooh and alerting them to cheating orange-trottered “boyfriends”. Might be educational for her.

*Have you been subjected to threats and shouting in the streets from Liz?
Have you had to make an official police complaint about Liz?
Have you been subject to court-ordered silence about personal trauma in your life?
Have you formed a new friendship through the ashes of your Liz-destroyed life?
Have you stepped in to help to pick up the pieces of a child’s destroyed life?
Have you or other members of your family voluntarily reduced or stopped contact with Liz for the protection of your own mental health or embarrassment at her behaviour?
Have you come home to find another woman’s belongings in your bedroom, followed by a swift end to your marriage?
Have you been flashed by a knickerless woman on a bike?
Have you raised a concern about the welfare of a young child?
Have you watched in amazement as someone has pulled in thousands whilst gaslighting you?
Have you watched in amazement as your personal story/details have been hijacked into another person’s narrative?
Have you generously donated money you can ill afford to someone whose lies and untruths were so plausible that you were led to believe that they were actually worse off than you or would help someone in your awful situation?
Have you waited patiently for submission guidelines?
Have you ever interned for a non-existent publishing company?
Have you ever had to exasperatedly clear a table in your coffee shop being used for hours as a retreat location?
Have you been pulled into a selfie by someone you don’t know while at work in your coffee shop as if you were a long lost friend of this stranger?
Have you had an evening out in a pub marred by a solo woman on a neighbouring table taking endless selfies pretending to be having a marvellous time with many friends, just out of shot…
Have you or your small business sponsored another small business launch only to see it mysteriously vanish?
Have you, or your shoes, been featured in an Instagram post that suggests an intimate relationship rather than cafe seating availability?
Have you, as a bemused Venetian cafe owner, ever had a camera unceremoniously stuck in for face and been gestured at?
Have you stumbled upon a reviled online “trolling” group because you feel you can’t be the only one seeing through this shit, and found the sweet, sweet relief of others who have long been wise to it?
Have you found a community of smart, funny, entertaining, supportive women, from all backgrounds and experiences, who will not have the wool pulled over their eyes?
Have you been able to tell the difference between stalking, bullying, lying and threatening behaviour, sometimes for monetary gain, sometimes for score settling, and simply telling the truth for the sake of the truth?

Then gird your loins, ladies — if this newest work of autofictography (don’t think that’s an actual word, but describes her oeuvre perfectly) ever sees the light of day there’s a lot of fact checking to noisily insist on from her publisher.

 

[Tricia Doll]

I think Liz needs to be very very careful with this next book. Now a LOT more people will now find out about her marriage wrecking, coercive control, manipulation and lies. Watch out Liz, people aren't stupid.

 

[Raker]

M’s girlfriend shared an interesting post on her stories… from someone else listing 5 things a child should never have to be responsible for…

 

[Replyingnow]

She’s done stand up?!?!?!

I will dig out the review in the, Daily Mirror, I think
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I know @nopeasinapod - wtf?. What next …”Oxford Street on a Saturday is busy! Oh London, she is just such a magical city.”

But even SHE is quiet and traffic free at 3am. Yes, even London
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I bring you comedy gold


Liz Fraser: Under-prepared (was there ever a more apt introduction to Liz? )

Always a hostage to fortune putting ‘shambles’ in your show's title. When I saw this, it really was.

Poor quality, lightweight observations about life as a parent that we've all heard 100s of times before.

She was under-prepared, couldn't find notes, waffled in lieu of knowing where she was going...and then started doing awful third year-quality 'poems' and sing childish ditties that sucked the air out of the room like a hole in a spaceship.

It was like being trapped with a delusional kindergarten teacher.


This wasn’t an off-day, this was someone who has simply chosen the wrong thing to try and do.

One star (for giving it a go)

 

[Ginnyreturns]

She’s now posting ancient B&w family pics. Desperate for engagement.
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Wish I had the time and money. Saying that ive got a couple of overseas trips booked this year that I can’t really afford (but they are with my kids as they actually like me )

The problem is that she gets very little engagement because nobody can tell who they are engaging with. One minute she can't talk about anything but her "fully booked' retreats and her world-changing book, the next she's ditched all that with no explanation and is all about fashion and cars. It's such unhinged behaviour, so flaky and deceitful that nobody can truly engage with her.

 

[UmbrellaMadeItHereAtLast]

I can’t get over someone charging lots of money to advise people on all things writing and publishing publicly admitting they have missed a publishing deadline and thinking it's funny

 

[Wooh]

Hey, the mods have amended the thread title. I clicked the report button and noted the request for change on behalf of the group.

Good morning, Liz, you're a nutter.

 

[Needham]

Yes, she’s playing with fire. People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. She’s exposing herself to a tonne of scrutiny with this book and making things very bad for herself.
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Also, since she considers that she is ‘trolled’ on Tattle I think it would be a good idea to get shots of her posts actively trying to provoke ‘trolls’ and keep them engaged, which she does constantly.