Liam Payne #6

[Fluctuate]

FFS. Now Roger's 'breaking his silence'.

https://archive.ph/M0XH1

These are my favourite lies bits.

Nores had left Liam in the lobby at 4.06pm on October 16, when the star appeared sober and in good spirits.
However, over the next 40 minutes, Liam appears to have embarked on a drugs spree that culminated in him ‘convulsing’ on the hotel lobby floor at around 4.50pm, according to one witness. Four minutes later, hotel staff carried him up to his suite.

Ofc he "appeared sober" and got completely trashed in 45 minutes.

'He said he wanted to tour so I set him up with a representative at Creative Artists Agency. But because it’s the same firm that looks after Harry Styles, Harry had to OK the deal – which he did, of course.’

Ofc Harry controls who signs with one of the largest talent agencies in the world. Did they also consult Niall, because he's with the same agency? Or is it just Harry's name we're using to make ourselves relevant?

In early August 2024, Geoff Payne suggested that Liam appear as a judge on the upcoming Netflix talent show Building The Band, which was being filmed in Manchester and is slated to air later this year.

Ofc Geoff, a retired mechanic, suggested Liam take the job rather than his management or agency, you know, the people paid to find him opportunities


Why can't everyone just shut up?!
I need a lie-down, all this eye-rolling has made me dizzy

 

[tagliatelle]

FFS. Now Roger's 'breaking his silence'.

https://archive.ph/M0XH1

These are my favourite lies bits.

Ofc he "appeared sober" and got completely trashed in 45 minutes.


Ofc Harry controls who signs with one of the largest talent agencies in the world. Did they also consult Niall, because he's with the same agency? Or is it just Harry's name we're using to make ourselves relevant?


Ofc Geoff, a retired mechanic, suggested Liam take the job rather than his management or agency, you know, the people paid to find him opportunities


Why can't everyone just shut up?!
I need a lie-down, all this eye-rolling has made me dizzy

The bit about introducing him to CAA sounds awfully like something a manager would do, just saying. So either he’s lying — vom — or blurring the “simple friend” line even more.

 

[Starlight_100]

Speaking of that RS article, I know they had their "sources" implying his struggle with sexuality but does anyone else think it could more his identiity struggle that Maya was talking about rahter than sexuality? As in, maybe he was autistic spectrum - many youtube vidoes of their really early days he doesnt seem to get the innuendos being said from both interviewers and his band mates and the sexual innuendos and he seems to takes everything at literal value? so could he have been neurodivergent. He came across very adorable and nerdy, serioud and old soul but more recent interviews in his solo career he seemed to want to be seen more as sexy and a sex symbol which didn't help with his image as he was slated for some of his songs - Strip that dowm and both ways, neither of which he really wrote, they were given to him. In some interviews hes playing up to the sex songs but on other interviews he says he wanted to have more meaningful songs on his next album as he isnt a "horn dog" as he put it and there are more meaningful things to write about its not always about sex - his own words in a podcast I saw. Or could just be his mental health struggle with him knowing who he is ie does he want to be a solo star, is he struggling on stage without his bandmates and would prefer a band or maybe he wanted a simple normal life - old interviews he talks fondly of his dads factory job and also wanting to be a fireman. Maybe that was his struggle???

Its sad if it was his sexuality he struggled with, in this day and age youd think people can live how they want to rahter than have to hide themselves. Can't help but wonder if lines were blurred within the band due to their affectionate nature and boredome and being stuck together 24/7 while on tour, did they become confused with feelings for same sex/each other and not knowing what or who they really want. I know there has always been a "Larry" thing but only recently came across the "Ziam" conspiracy but really, out of 5 members 4 of them being in love with each other? What really are the chances of that actually happened? Im wondering oif RS article is just sensationalising theories that are widely out there. Its a shame they did so as really they should just let him rest in peace now.

Liam had ADHD which explains what you said about him being neurodivergent. This also explains his struggles with addiction as those with ADHD are much more likely to struggle with their mental health and addiction. Liam also said in an interview that his mind "Never stops" leading to anxiety and low mood which is linked to ADHD (a hyperactive, restless brain) many people with ADHD experience racing thoughts and struggle to manage anxious feelings when they arise. I actually wish Liam had been given more support for his ADHD as this would have probably helped with other things he struggled with too.

 

[MammaTubbs]

I really feel this is battle lines being drawn around the lawsuit by the media, The Paynes, with Kate on one side and Roger and Maya on the other.

The media do love a good vs. story and since Liam's not around himself to crucify, why not help divide all the people who've most likely done nothing but try to help him over the last few years.

None of them were likely perfect, most of us aren't anyway in normal day to day stuff, let alone dealing with not just someone in addition, but famous so that you're desperate to deal with as much as possible 'behind closed doors'.

I think my most interesting take from that was that Geoff did manage to get him sectioned at one point, but he 'talked his way out within 3 days'.

Roger then claims Liam rang him asking for help, and instead of doing the sensible thing and getting him to stay put he tells him to come to Miami?!
Surely any friend worth their weight wouldn't be promoting moves halfway across the world away from your son and family especially when you need all the support you can get.

He's a fool if he thinks Liam was somehow perfectly miraculously clean everytime he set foot on American soil, and we already know he did still climb down a Florida balcony in September.

That awful Oscars interview will quickly disprove any notion that Liam only had substance issues in the UK.

Since it seems we've heard from what seems like nearly everyone damn else recently, maybe we need Cheryl to remind them all again there's still a 7 year old out there in the midst of all this

 

[LadyWeatherwax]

FFS. Now Roger's 'breaking his silence'.

https://archive.ph/M0XH1

These are my favourite lies bits.

Ofc he "appeared sober" and got completely trashed in 45 minutes.

I'm not going to argue with the rest of your post, but this is very possible, if not probable. I've made it very clear that I don't believe the second tox report and I stand by that - I believe that Liam thought he was taking coke/smoking crack (which he was used to, and understood the effects of) but was actually snorting/smoking pink c, which is very different. I think it's entirely possible that he went from his 'normal' buzz to completely ducked up in a very short space of time.

This is why I believe that whoever supplied the drugs in the first place needs to have a fun vacation in a South American prison, but nobody else needs to be dragged into it. Roger was used to Liam being drunk or high but he had no way to know that the next thing he was going to do was go upstairs and put coke, MDMA, ketamine and benadryl in a pipe and sadly, nor did Liam. It's tragic, awful and I wish it didn't happen but it did. If you want to be angry, be angry at whoever decided to basically sweep up the floor at a drug den and sell it to vulnerable people.

 

[KINGAA]

Ofc Harry controls who signs with one of the largest talent agencies in the world. Did they also consult Niall, because he's with the same agency? Or is it just Harry's name we're using to make ourselves relevant?

they actually do….. it’s a conflict so they will consult the biggest artist for sure. It’s how Ryan Reynolds got WME to drop Justin Baldoni. The agencies are as corrupt as the rest of the industry.

Also, the link isn’t working but I think the DM took a lot of the info from the RS article. I wouldn’t trust even more diluted “sources”

 

[Fluctuate]

I'm not going to argue with the rest of your post, but this is very possible, if not probable. I've made it very clear that I don't believe the second tox report and I stand by that - I believe that Liam thought he was taking coke/smoking crack (which he was used to, and understood the effects of) but was actually snorting/smoking pink c, which is very different. I think it's entirely possible that he went from his 'normal' buzz to completely ducked up in a very short space of time.

This is why I believe that whoever supplied the drugs in the first place needs to have a fun vacation in a South American prison, but nobody else needs to be dragged into it. Roger was used to Liam being drunk or high but he had no way to know that the next thing he was going to do was go upstairs and put coke, MDMA, ketamine and benadryl in a pipe and sadly, nor did Liam. It's tragic, awful and I wish it didn't happen but it did. If you want to be angry, be angry at whoever decided to basically sweep up the floor at a drug den and sell it to vulnerable people.

I agree with the majority of what you've said. My point was he wasn't sober until an hour before he died. Loads of eye witnesses said Liam was visibly drunk/high for the majority of the day. Roger himself apologised to the hotel staff for Liam being high. Of course he could have taken a tit load of stuff after Roger left, but it doesn't make any sense to keep pushing this narrative that he was sober until an hour before he died.

I'm far from being angry. I have no skin in this game. I'm just baffled by this sober-narrative that gets wheeled out in every article. Who's benefitting from this obvious lie?

 

[Fluctuate]

they actually do….. it’s a conflict so they will consult the biggest artist for sure. It’s how Ryan Reynolds got WME to drop Justin Baldoni. The agencies are as corrupt as the rest of the industry.

Also, the link isn’t working but I think the DM took a lot of the info from the RS article. I wouldn’t trust even more diluted “sources”

Ok. Fair enough. If that's standard practice, I stand corrected on consulting Harry. But still, why name drop? It adds nothing to the story.

The majority of Roger's quotes in this article aren't mentioned in the RS article.
Not sure what's going on with the link. It keeps changing when I try and post a new one

 

[MammaTubbs]

Ok. Fair enough. If that's standard practice, I stand corrected on consulting Harry. But still, why name drop? It adds nothing to the story.

Overall Harry's really hasn't been treated fairly, quelle surprise.

Named dropped in Looking Forward and now by Roger.

Original articles blamed him for there being no '1D reunion'.

Mixed reviews on his own tribute picture to Liam (I didn't see any other celebrity criticised for theirs, even ones with a tenuous link to Liam).

At least in reality he can hold his head high as Liam made it clear all of them from 1D were there for him when he needed them, and with a high profile funeral we can bet it was planned to the inch, and he had the unenviable position of arriving first out of the 1D lot, which he obviously agreed to do.

 

[LadyWeatherwax]

I agree with the majority of what you've said. My point was he wasn't sober until an hour before he died. Loads of eye witnesses said Liam was visibly drunk/high for the majority of the day. Roger himself apologised to the hotel staff for Liam being high. Of course he could have taken a tit load of stuff after Roger left, but it doesn't make any sense to keep pushing this narrative that he was sober until an hour before he died.

I'm far from being angry. I have no skin in this game. I'm just baffled by this sober-narrative that gets wheeled out in every article. Who's benefitting from this obvious lie?

I think when they say 'sober' they mean 'functioning/sober for Liam'. He's clearly high in a few fan videos while he was over there, and when he was at the gig (IMO). People get buzzed/high like that every day, and if you're round someone who uses all the time it just becomes normal.

 

[MammaTubbs]

Within the last what is it week?
We've had Kates interview, her thank you TikTok, Maya's statement amidst the Rolling Stones interview with 'sources', a 'source' close to Simon Cowell about how devastated he is, Roger, Kate doing a Valentine's post, something must be going on behind the scenes somewhere

Thinking back on it though, the timeline of that article makes me sad, as whilst all this was ongoing with Liam in April/May, Cheryl would have been preparing and promoting for the GA reunion tour in May/June, which is probably the first and longest time away from B.

Obviously the logical thing would have been for Liam to step up whilst she was away, especially in terms of an emergency, but sadly it's clear he was in no position to do so, as I guess if he'd even gone along with Geoff he'd have been sectioned in the UK anyway.

So rubbish that it was just an added pressure and stress for the family, who've clearly been going through it the last few years.

I know Argentina have an abandonment law which has complicated the whole thing, but even if Roger was his manager and a bit of an a, he was gone long before it happened, and I'm sure he'll have to live with saying goodbye to him for the rest of his life anyway, surely that's punishment enough.

Roger, Geoff, Kate, Maya, Cheryl and whoever else clearly tried their best to help, but sadly with addiction it's not that clear cut even if the addict wants to get clean themselves. I guess what I'm trying to say is they might have done things that weren't a good idea, but they clearly had good intentions?

Obviously the dealers themselves need to face justice, but again that'll be low level dealers who just gave it to Liam, and won't even touch the middle to higher up the chain.

Until that abandonment charge is sorted and the lawsuit, I really think we'll just have more sensationalist articles while everyone scrabbles to prove their lack of culpability in the whole thing, whether in a legal or public opinion capacity. Just sad this was even necessary as none of them are to blame really, only Liam himself and even he'd have extenuating factors to consider mental health issues, neurodivergence and addiction.

 

[GrilledCheese]

All charges have been dropped :/

 

[LadyWeatherwax]

I'm not shocked.

 

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"Glad this is finally over,” Nores tells Rolling Stone. “I’m happy I’m now going to be able to travel to the UK and say goodbye to my friend.”

I'm sure Liam's family will welcome him with open arms

 

[KINGAA]

All charges have been dropped :/

As they bloody should… Roger was not there, he was not in charge of a grown adult man in his 30s. Hopefully these obsessed 1D twitter fans can finally start to realise that the boys are not innocent boys they have idolised on X Factor anymore and actions have consequences. Liam caused his own death by being reckless and irresponsible.

The problem was the hotel workers were not suppliers, they were getting drugs for him, there’s no justice for Liam or his family in any of them going to jail because it effects no one as he would’ve found them without their help anyways - the actual drug dealers are completely unaffected so the vicious cycle continues with someone else.

 

[Fluctuate]

As they bloody should… Roger was not there, he was not in charge of a grown adult man in his 30s. Hopefully these obsessed 1D twitter fans can finally start to realise that the boys are not innocent boys they have idolised on X Factor anymore and actions have consequences. Liam caused his own death by being reckless and irresponsible.

The problem was the hotel workers were not suppliers, they were getting drugs for him, there’s no justice for Liam or his family in any of them going to jail because it effects no one as he would’ve found them without their help anyways - the actual drug dealers are completely unaffected so the vicious cycle continues with someone else.

The two 'dealers' are still going to trial. It's the charges against Roger and the two hotel managers that have been dropped. Not that that will make any difference to the drugs chain, just giving the full picture for anyone not in the loop.

I think it was an obvious outcome in Roger's case after Liam's lawyer (iirc) stated Roger had no duty of care towards him. I'm curious to know why the original judges thought he might have. Surely they weren't just going off of Geoff's word? Oh well, let's hope his family get some closure now, provided they don't appeal this decision and Roger drops the defamation case.

 

[MammaTubbs]

I'm sure Roger and the hotel workers will live with their decisions the rest of their lives anyway.

Hopefully he can actually rest in peace now without every other poor decision he made shared with the world for his son to see.

 

[MammaTubbs]

Hate following myself in a thread n all, but I do still hope there's an ongoing conversation about what is in place to protect young artists.

No matter what Liam eventually did, I'm sure we can all agree that the bright hopeful young boy belting out Sinatra and Buble didn't deserve his fate, equally that his nearest and dearest didn't deserve all the trauma and heartbreak either.

Drugs are tit, alcohol is dangerous, as is social media and fame exposure and I really hope Liam is the final casualty to this, but I really really can't see it.

 

[KINGAA]

where is this woman getting this info from? I’ve seen her post stuff before that’s questionable about Liam.

I mean, makes total sense for Cheryl to be in charge and wouldn’t surprise me. The executor of my will is a close friend because we all know after death family become a bit grabby for items and money unfortunately so it make sense to have someone else you trust esp as the money was always for Bear. But also her claims that Roger is actually suing Cheryl by suing Geoff is odd, he’s not suing the estate he’s just suing Geoff for his “false” statements. What’s that got to do with chezzzza?

 

[MammaTubbs]

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where is this woman getting this info from? I’ve seen her post stuff before that’s questionable about Liam.

I mean, makes total sense for Cheryl to be in charge and wouldn’t surprise me. The executor of my will is a close friend because we all know after death family become a bit grabby for items and money unfortunately so it make sense to have someone else you trust esp as the money was always for Bear. But also her claims that Roger is actually suing Cheryl by suing Geoff is odd, he’s not suing the estate he’s just suing Geoff for his “false” statements. What’s that got to do with chezzzza?
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I'd assume she's potentially the trustee for B's estate then.

Probably a wise move from Liam or whoever gave him financial advice, considering her likelihood of seeing B to 18 rather than Geoff, who I think someone previously suggested he may be in ill health?

Shes also the best candidate to prioritise B's interests over Liam's going forward too, the Paynes as a whole seem devastated, at least she can focus on B and his future, and hasn't physically been in a relationship with Liam for a fairly long time. Even Liam himself made it clear B was her priority.