Liam Payne #6

[wellingtonboots]

It's not quite that simple though is it.

It's not a man treating women badly, it's a man treating everyone close to him badly, to the point his own father has reportedly admitted allowing him to use to stop him becoming aggressive.

If Maya who he's reportedly done all this stuff to, even after all this time when he's not even around to appreciate it, can say she doesn't fault him for his own struggles, maybe people who don't even know him can attempt a little human compassion and understanding?

Both mental health issues and addictions are illnesses, and whilst that doesn't outright excuse poor behaviour, it can help us understand it.

Exactly this.
Having an alcohol/drugs addiction isn’t an excuse for acting badly, but it can make you act in ways you’d never dream of doing when sober/healthy.

Things aren’t just black and white.

 

[Nelly's mum]

Yeah it is. You can see the pubes around the base.

You must be seeing something that I'm not seeing.

Ahh his pencils got me , he had his pencils in his bag when he died.

 

[Serene Serena]

The obsessive conspiracy theorists can't and won't accept that Liam's death was a terrible accident, he wasn't murdered, he didn't fake his own death. His life is over. His memory is all that remains, and instead of cherishing his lyrics and his music, they are making a mockery of him. I feel sorry for them, and if my daughter or sister was behaving in such a bizarre way, I would be trying to stage an intervention. However, I also feel angry with them, for claiming Liam's death as something sinister, and making the dreadful tragedy all about them.

 

[mrshlc123]

Louis said some nice things about him on the podcast her did. He came across really well.

Was never a 1D fan, but liked Liam. Didn't know much about the other guys but after watching Louis' interview, he seems lovely and a great mate/ son/ brother/ dad. I think he and Liam had a genuine friendship, it's so sad how many people he has lost way too young.

 

[LadyWeatherwax]

Regarding the visa, celebrities with addiction issues have been travelling the world to work forever, but they all seem to get round it somehow. I guess the difference is if you're about to go on tour and bring in millions to the local economy, authorities are less worried about whether or not you're on crack while you're doing it.

 

[MammaTubbs]

Also, wasn’t her and Liam having massive arguments in Argentina. He rang his mum distraught saying they were arguing constantly or something.

This is why it's all gone a bit bloody mad
How could he ring his mam with no phone

 

[KINGAA]

It used to say he had a £55mil fortune so where is the other 20 odd mil? Businesses, trusts, houses maybe? Im hoping if he did have the 50odd mil as stated numerous times that he already gave some to family and they have a nice little nest egg that was gifted to them by Liam and i already in their own names, own banks & homes from him prior to his death, so they can be ok trhough their life, as he did seem to really care for and take care of his family financially, and would have continued doing so if he was still alive.

He lived a drug fuelled lifestyle unfortunately, it’s an expensive lifestyle. 1D royalties would be next to nothing now and he also rented a lot of his homes which isn’t cheep and I imagine he funded a lot of his music stuff. He had more outgoings and anything coming in

We don’t know if he cared as such, I don’t trust the dreaded book at all and I took with a pinch of salt but it implied that his family used him and it was a difficult relationship at times.

 

[Serene Serena]

I think the story about him ringing his mam is complete bollocks. If his mam had known how distraught he was, I'm pretty sure she and Geoff would have got on the next plane to Argentina to support him.

 

[KINGAA]

I do feel for his family and Kate that all the press are saying is that he loved and trusted Cheryl over everyone and that’s why nothing was left… she became administrator because Bear is a child, not because of any other reason.

I think they’re being cruel to everyone, leave him alone already

 

[KINGAA]

I wondered the same.

Either that or it's both of them acting separately against the 'sources' etc, as Maya's own statement is far more sympathetic to Liam and is mainly on the basis of her own love and resulting hurt, and doesn't really 'out' him further in anyway?

Apologies if I've missed any, but the direct quotes from Maya are as follows:

“I stood by him in his darkest moments, through the chaos, through the pain, through things that broke me in ways I can’t explain,” Henry said in her statement to Rolling Stone. “And yet, when it was all over, I was left with nothing but emptiness. The love I gave, the sacrifices I made — they weren’t enough because they never could be. I wasn’t just heartbroken; I felt defrauded, as so many women in my position would. But what I do know is this: It wasn’t about me or anything I did. It was about struggles beyond my control. And in the end, I had to choose myself. I had to walk away, no matter how much it hurt, because staying in his world meant losing myself.”

“After everything, what hurts the most is that even after his death, I’m left with the aftermath of his actions that continue to unfold,” Henry said in her statement. “As I’ve uncovered the extent of his nonconsensual image sharing … I’m faced with the complexity of grieving for someone I cared so deeply about despite the pain they have caused me.”

I believe that's her only direct quotes, with the rest as 'sources' , so Maya herself has been far more well, discreet and understanding.

If I knew an article was going out with sources claiming to be 'close' to me, I'd probably want my statement heard as well, as especially since his death she's kept a dignified silence.

“I’m faced with the complexity of grieving for someone I cared so deeply about despite the pain they have caused me” - that there said all I needed to know. I hope people leave her alone.

 

[Serene Serena]

Do these nutters genuinely think Liam would put his family, his son, Cheryl, his band mates, his fans, through horrific grief by faking his death in such an awful way? The lookalike on the plane is simply that, a man with a vague resemblance to Liam, nothing more. They don’t want to believe he’s gone, do they? It’s very sad for them, but so terribly disrespectful to Liam himself and his loved ones.

 

[MammaTubbs]

It boggles my mind the amount of compassion shown to a man who has treated women so badly. Poor mental health and addiction don’t excuse poor behaviour.

It's not quite that simple though is it.

It's not a man treating women badly, it's a man treating everyone close to him badly, to the point his own father has reportedly admitted allowing him to use to stop him becoming aggressive.

If Maya who he's reportedly done all this stuff to, even after all this time when he's not even around to appreciate it, can say she doesn't fault him for his own struggles, maybe people who don't even know him can attempt a little human compassion and understanding?

Both mental health issues and addictions are illnesses, and whilst that doesn't outright excuse poor behaviour, it can help us understand it.

 

[ohwowsers]

I just don’t get why? It’s obvious without footage and toxicology reports. He dropped his bag to the floor below, but his man bag on and hat in the space of minutes after being put into the room. It’s been clear he fell climbing down, he also landed on his back not his front so no one pushed him. it’s so silly

They don't believe in logic on X.
They're sending private msg to Maya etc and I'd assume his family as well.

It'd quite bizarre, and so intrusive.

 

[truffletrot]

One of the things I found upsetting was the fact he spoke to one of the prositites about his son, that made me feel really sad.

What a sad lonely end really

 

[García the Great]

I’m not sure I agree with the conspiracy that The Sun has dirt on her and that she’s been blackmailed. Kate already got a lot of stick for leaving Liam so that would be a pretty stale and worn out “story” for The Sun to publish. I think she freely offered to do this presumably after them contacting her.

 

[Fluctuate]

As they bloody should… Roger was not there, he was not in charge of a grown adult man in his 30s. Hopefully these obsessed 1D twitter fans can finally start to realise that the boys are not innocent boys they have idolised on X Factor anymore and actions have consequences. Liam caused his own death by being reckless and irresponsible.

The problem was the hotel workers were not suppliers, they were getting drugs for him, there’s no justice for Liam or his family in any of them going to jail because it effects no one as he would’ve found them without their help anyways - the actual drug dealers are completely unaffected so the vicious cycle continues with someone else.

The two 'dealers' are still going to trial. It's the charges against Roger and the two hotel managers that have been dropped. Not that that will make any difference to the drugs chain, just giving the full picture for anyone not in the loop.

I think it was an obvious outcome in Roger's case after Liam's lawyer (iirc) stated Roger had no duty of care towards him. I'm curious to know why the original judges thought he might have. Surely they weren't just going off of Geoff's word? Oh well, let's hope his family get some closure now, provided they don't appeal this decision and Roger drops the defamation case.

 

[García the Great]

Yous will probably find more information on the rest of the 1d members on the one direction threads...there's a few diehard fans on them that will be able to tell yous all their whereabouts and relationship status's

Probably their live locations too.

 

[wellingtonboots]

They just said on This Morning that her team reached out to the Sun in December…
The journalist described her as very sweet, nervous and image conscious and scared of saying the wrong thing and upsetting anyone.

 

[MammaTubbs]

I cut myself off in my previous comment

Regarding the bit about Maya wanting him to undergo 6 months of intensive treatment as 'compensation' for his actions, I think that's what he needed. Really intensive, long-term therapy in one place, seeing the same psychiatrist and therapists, who could really tackle his mental health issues and teach him how to manage his ADHD symptoms. It seems like he didn't have a good quality of life for a very long time.

Also, did he ever talk about his childhood trauma that was alluded to in the article? I've seen this mentioned a couple of times before and assumed it was to do with how he was treated during the early 1D days, but the article says it was before 1D. Obviously, if he kept it private it's no one's business and shouldn't be 'revealed' now. He'd been open about his mental health in the past so I'm just curious if this was something he'd talked about.

I thought the same when I read it, and if the source is legit, it seems like she was willing to accept that as some sort of atonement from him for whatever happened between them.

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Wasn't he bullied as a child?
I swear I've read before that he was quite badly bullied including a near miss when he ran out in the road away from them?
I think it tied into him then boxing as a teenager, potentially for a bit of confidence and self defence?
Absolutely crying shame, bullying is vile and if he'd managed to stay well he'd really have had the last laugh, bags of talent, millions in the bank and the partner they probably spent most of their teenage years lusting over. Shows how it can really go so wrong for any of us in the wrong circumstances

 

[KINGAA]

“Yeah, I probably did the One Direction dance routines — Liam was a pretty good dancer.”

this line here, I’ve not read past it tells me this woman is full of bullshit. Liam only danced once solo, 1D didn’t dance. Total bullshit from her and it’s kinda weird and creepy.