Liam Payne #6

[sam0206]

I hope he doesn’t get targeted by freeloaders when he hits his teens. I can imagine other teenagers wanting to be his friend because he’s going to be extremely wealthy when he’s 18. He’s not going to know who his real friends are. I’m pretty sure his mum, grandparents and aunts and uncles will be supportive in keeping him grounded.

There are celebrity offspring who haven’t gone off the rails, I’m hoping is one of them.

Hopefully he has decent enough schooling etc that the people around him will all have their own money if that makes sense. He's sheltered so much that really he could use a fake name no one will really know who he is, it could be easy to do. I still think bear is his media name cos really..
The good thing is like you say, there's plenty around to keep him grounded. Liams problems came from his fame and fortune at a young age, I don't think he'll be encouraged to go public and if he does I'm sure a close eye will be kept on him

 

[FentonLeigha84]

Hopefully he has decent enough schooling etc that the people around him will all have their own money if that makes sense. He's sheltered so much that really he could use a fake name no one will really know who he is, it could be easy to do. I still think bear is his media name cos really..
The good thing is like you say, there's plenty around to keep him grounded. Liams problems came from his fame and fortune at a young age, I don't think he'll be encouraged to go public and if he does I'm sure a close eye will be kept on him

I have a feeling Bear is his media/public name too and his march 22 is his public birth date too.

I feel for him, cos even without the inheritance he was going to have a tough life (obviously not money or possessions wise) and possible issues later in life as he enters adulthood, as the children of super famous or super gifted parents always do. A lot of these mega famous celebs are there by chance/luck or extreme talent and it is very rarely replicated by their children. It's a tough burden to carry being the child of someone who is famous on a large scale, just look at evis & lisa-marue, Michael Jackson & his children. The same will happen to 1D and Justin Biebers children sadly when they are older. If they decide to be singers/musicians they will sadly be compared to their parents and the level of fame they reached which is going to be hard to replicate. Instead they should be allowed to be their own person & personality. I see the Gallagher, Appleton etc kids who are now early adulthood doing well though, content in their own lanes, even Beckham kids have not gone off the rails and they've been exposed to fame, paparazzi & money since birth, so hopefully will be ok too. Hopefully he finds a purpose & passion in life that's away from the limelight

 

[FentonLeigha84]

I'm surprised Roger didn't frog march him to lawyers office to write a will, giving him some favourable money or power over his possessions, but maybe he didn't get down to it yet and was building up to that. I do wonder if Liam didn't get round to it earlier in his career and in the last 6months to year of his life wasn't able to write one due to his mental health issues, alleged ods in past and rehab stints - was he deemed of sound mind to make decisions at that point? I think he's secured his families life with houses, cars, possessions and possible money given to them in large sums already and he had no need to write a will knowing they were ok and bear would get what's left in Liam's accounts/estates. He retired his parents early & bought them a house & paid off debts, I remember him saying in interviews years ago, so I'm sure rather than given them small amounts on a monthly basis he might have gave them a lump sum every year or just 1 big lump sum say a million then gave them money or gifts here & there over the years. He came across sassy and savvy at times prior to his addictions in last few years, so if roger was trying to persuade him to write a will I imagine he might do opposite and not write one.

 

[KINGAA]

I'm surprised Roger didn't frog march him to lawyers office to write a will, giving him some favourable money or power over his possessions, but maybe he didn't get down to it yet and was building up to that. I do wonder if Liam didn't get round to it earlier in his career and in the last 6months to year of his life wasn't able to write one due to his mental health issues, alleged ods in past and rehab stints - was he deemed of sound mind to make decisions at that point? I think he's secured his families life with houses, cars, possessions and possible money given to them in large sums already and he had no need to write a will knowing they were ok and bear would get what's left in Liam's accounts/estates. He retired his parents early & bought them a house & paid off debts, I remember him saying in interviews years ago, so I'm sure rather than given them small amounts on a monthly basis he might have gave them a lump sum every year or just 1 big lump sum say a million then gave them money or gifts here & there over the years. He came across sassy and savvy at times prior to his addictions in last few years, so if roger was trying to persuade him to write a will I imagine he might do opposite and not write one.

Why would Roger need Liams money when Roger was funding a lot of Liams life????? hotels, flights even for his dad to go to Florida / LA…. Roger paid for. He don’t need Liams money, he’s close to being a billionaire - Liams money is pennies in comparison to Roger.

 

[Fluctuate]

I think there might be other people who get a cut but from what I've just looked up, they set up 1D Media when Zayne left the band so he would still get his cut from the music they'd already made.

Liam was removed as a Director of the company in February.

Not sure where you're getting that info from. 1D Media Ltd was registered in December 2010. Each of the lads were directors (in layman's terms, the managers) and owned 20% of the business each. In 2016, all five resigned as directors and new directors were brought in. Harry, Louis, Liam and Niall then became solely persons with significant control (i.e. the owners) of 1D Media Ltd. and now own 25% of the business each. Liam's involvement ceased on the date of his death. From what I can see, this is the only 1D-owned business where Zayn's shares were bought/given back; all the others he still has, or had if they've since shut down, a 20% share in.

To answer @MammaTubbs related question: Liam's shares in the 1D-owned businesses, copyrights and trademarks now go to Bear. Anything related to these that would have required Liam's consent would now require Bear's.

According to the records on Companies House, Liam signed the majority of the accounting paperwork for a lot of the 1D-owned businesses, which makes it even weirder that he didn't have a will. I guess they all could have been given the info and Liam was volunteered by the others to sign it, in his role as "Daddy" of the group, and he didn't really know what he was signing; but I find that hard to believe. Especially considering he signed some of them after 1D had split. It's very strange.

 

[Fluctuate]

I hate to double-post like a twit but some people on this thread are worse than the conspiracy theorists on social media. You know things like birth certificates, name changes and wills (or lack there of) are all public records, right? They're probably available on X and Reddit if you don't want to buy them yourselves. Seriously, there's no public/media birth name or date. I mean, yeah they could call him "Bear" in public and "Bob" at home/school, but that's what happens in most families; it's the same as non-celebrities naming their kids "Stephen" and "Charlotte" and calling them "Steve" and "Lottie" at home. If someone wants to track him, they'll look for "Bear [middle name(s)] Payne", because that's his legal name, the name that will be on all his paperwork for school, banking, passport, etc.
He's the child of celebrities, not a kid in witness protection. It's really not that deep.

 

[Bettyboo2475]

Not sure where you're getting that info from. 1D Media Ltd was registered in December 2010. Each of the lads were directors (in layman's terms, the managers) and owned 20% of the business each. In 2016, all five resigned as directors and new directors were brought in. Harry, Louis, Liam and Niall then became solely persons with significant control (i.e. the owners) of 1D Media Ltd. and now own 25% of the business each. Liam's involvement ceased on the date of his death. From what I can see, this is the only 1D-owned business where Zayn's shares were bought/given back; all the others he still has, or had if they've since shut down, a 20% share in.

To answer @MammaTubbs related question: Liam's shares in the 1D-owned businesses, copyrights and trademarks now go to Bear. Anything related to these that would have required Liam's consent would now require Bear's.

According to the records on Companies House, Liam signed the majority of the accounting paperwork for a lot of the 1D-owned businesses, which makes it even weirder that he didn't have a will. I guess they all could have been given the info and Liam was volunteered by the others to sign it, in his role as "Daddy" of the group, and he didn't really know what he was signing; but I find that hard to believe. Especially considering he signed some of them after 1D had split. It's very strange.

I looked too. I don't know how it works but it's t's down on there that Liam was cessated in February 2025, look in the filing history bit

 

[Fluctuate]

I looked too. I don't know how it works but it's t's down on there that Liam was cessated in February 2025, look in the filing history bit

Look again. He ceased being a person of significant control on the day he died; the paperwork was filed in February. He resigned as director in 2016, along with the other lads.

 

[sam0206]

I hate to double-post like a twit but some people on this thread are worse than the conspiracy theorists on social media. You know things like birth certificates, name changes and wills (or lack there of) are all public records, right? They're probably available on X and Reddit if you don't want to buy them yourselves. Seriously, there's no public/media birth name or date. I mean, yeah they could call him "Bear" in public and "Bob" at home/school, but that's what happens in most families; it's the same as non-celebrities naming their kids "Stephen" and "Charlotte" and calling them "Steve" and "Lottie" at home. If someone wants to track him, they'll look for "Bear [middle name(s)] Payne", because that's his legal name, the name that will be on all his paperwork for school, banking, passport, etc.
He's the child of celebrities, not a kid in witness protection. It's really not that deep.

I don't feel right looking up anyone's birth certificates or personal paperwork, public or not, but especially not a child's who hasn't asked for a life in the public eye. A lot of celebrities use stage names for the media for their children so it's not a reach to think that the same has happened with Bear when his parents have been so fiercely protective of his privacy .
The same way it's not that deep to discuss a name, surely it's not that deep to be searching peoples incomes, wills, birth certificates etc online. This is a gossip forum it's not the MI5 offices

 

[Serene Serena]

I’ve heard that isn’t the child’s real name, too. But it’s for protection, nothing else. Children of wealthy parents are kidnapping targets. If Liam’s boy is really called Matthew or Daniel then no one will bat an eyelid when he’s at school or playing with friends.

 

[MammaTubbs]

I think Bear is his 'real' name.

On a Radio 1 show with Perrie from Little Mix, she's playing a game calling people she knows phones to ask if they're sitting down or standing up.

She says Cheryl for one, and a young boy picks up, and answers to Bear.
Even if he'd been coached by Cheryl for that, I'm sure if Bear wasn't his name some journalist would have leaked it ages before, as they definitely wouldn't have any scruples about ordering birth certificates for a nose.

Even if no journalist had bothered with the birth certificate, he's recently been named in both Rogers now closed lawsuit and Liam's intestancy hearing, which it seems the media have seen, which would reveal if he wasn't actually called Bear.

Lastly, Liam himself, who clearly wasn't right for a long time including being under the influence whilst being interviewed, including drinking during the Logan Paul interview, where he mentioned Bear a fair few times,it's obviously not impossible, but it would have been likely that he'd have slipped up at some point, and called him by his 'real' name, if it indeed wasn't Bear.
Yes Cheryl is more known as a media manipulator, but Liam didn't appear to be that way as such, and considering he's the one who's spoken of him more frequently, would have been more likely to slip up anyway.

 

[Serene Serena]

Maybe friends and family call him and he answers to this, but the name on his birth certificate is something like Stewart Bear Payne, so when he’s older he has the option of anonymity. Like Duncan Jones, formerly Zowie Bowie. Rolan Bolan has embraced his name though.

I’d be surprised if the more crazed Directioners hadn’t sought out a copy of the boy’s birth certificate though. Remember the furore when Louis’s son Freddie was born?!

 

[KINGAA]

Maybe friends and family call him and he answers to this, but the name on his birth certificate is something like Stewart Bear Payne, so when he’s older he has the option of anonymity. Like Duncan Jones, formerly Zowie Bowie. Rolan Bolan has embraced his name though.

I’d be surprised if the more crazed Directioners hadn’t sought out a copy of the boy’s birth certificate though. Remember the furore when Louis’s son Freddie was born?!

STEWART!!!!

 

[KYLIE]

Maybe friends and family call him and he answers to this, but the name on his birth certificate is something like Stewart Bear Payne, so when he’s older he has the option of anonymity. Like Duncan Jones, formerly Zowie Bowie. Rolan Bolan has embraced his name though.

I’d be surprised if the more crazed Directioners hadn’t sought out a copy of the boy’s birth certificate though. Remember the furore when Louis’s son Freddie was born?!

Tbh they went doing all that for Louis son because even after all these years and a whole child later these insane fans still think Louis & Harry are in a gay relationship lmao

 

[sam0206]

A lot of the radio stuff like pierrie phoning Cheryl are scripted too like Cheryl would have known she was going to get a phone call. Maybe she had bear answer it to make it look more set up

 

[Serene Serena]

STEWART!!!!

I named him after my Auntie Cathy’s favourite Bay City Roller, Stewart Woody Wood

 

[FentonLeigha84]

Tbh they went doing all that for Louis son because even after all these years and a whole child later these insane fans still think Louis & Harry are in a gay relationship lmao

I don't think you can order a child's birthday certificate due to data protection, surely only if your their birth parent can you order one. Yeah, it's too much hassle to keep a fake baby storyline going for rest of your life, people would slip up esp the kids when older and media can no longer be manipulated as much as it once was - the papers can but tik tok & the likes can post what they want and if there was hard evidence of these children not being there's it would've been found & posted by now. I think given the hectic life of touring, boredom, drugs/alcohol on tour, lack of family & friends around, no real time to date or see partners coupled with teen hormones and a longing for intimacy then perhaps some lines & friendships are blurred in the bands and they experiment and perhaps sleep with each other. If anything was going on with anyone once before ie Larry or Ziam then I think it was just playing around and it's long been finished. They can be bi or just straight but experimented when in the band, and have obviously gone on to have babies with Cheryl, Gigi & I forget Louis ex name. Blue star Duncan had come out as bi after their band initially split up years ago and has since said he's had relations with Lee from blue in past, isn't there something in Mel b scary spices autobiography of something happening between her & Geri in past? It's not unthinkable that these things would happen while on the road doing long gruelling tours with only each other for company but I don't think it's some big Romeo & Juliet forbidden true love hidden away as many fans seem to think.

If I am wrong though, what a shame and sad existence having to pretend all this time. Must be exhausting to hide your true self and having to do it in 2025 when we are suppose to be more open in society is sad.

 

[sheleg]

I’ve heard that isn’t the child’s real name, too. But it’s for protection, nothing else. Children of wealthy parents are kidnapping targets. If Liam’s boy is really called Matthew or Daniel then no one will bat an eyelid when he’s at school or playing with friends.

until they see his mother Cheryl Cole at the gates!

 

[FentonLeigha84]

until they see his mother Cheryl Cole at the gates!

He's likely at a school of wealthy families children so I imagine that small area of where they live & his school knowing his true name etc is different to the whole world knowing & he can be protected more by not everyone knowing. His school friends & their parents probably don't care that their child hangs with Liam & Cheryl's son the other families are probably rich themselves and don't care for fame or celebs. Remember Liam was worldwide famous so the announcement would have gone out round the world and not just UK. I think cheryl will have tried to keep many details private re: his name & birth date as unless she planned to keep him hidden away forever and homeschooled she only has control over what she was willing to release while he was a baby. It makes sense to lie and have a public name they call him and his real name in private imo

 

[Libertine1975]

Birth, Marriage and Death Certificates are all a matter of public record in the UK. If you pay and know the basic details you can get a copy of any certificate.

Divorces can only be obtained through the Court.