Not particularly ! It’s been weaponised against those suffering to something more hostile, from oppression to resistance.
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They're resisting their own extermination, and if that doesn't 'sit right' with certain people, it says more about them than it does about the Palestinians.
Obviously it won’t ! the gun never solved anything ( that goes for all sides) .
I have no strong opinions on it because I don’t feel like I know enough about their stance
As I said previously I see them more as a band that values certain issues and I personally only identify with one of those issues so I will focus primarily on one of those issues. Though honestly I don’t even care enough about the band themselves and I’m just here because of the headlines lol
I’m not sure what it is you’re trying to say as you’ve hinted at something with the flag a few times and have never fully explained
I suspect for many zionists the flag will have always been a sign of resistance or oppression depending on the circumstances. Not that much difference now for them I reckon
If it’s more that Hamas has “overtaken” the flag then I find that a bit silly. I don’t look at the flag and think of terrorists, I think of the people suffering. If you’re a Zionist then I very much suspect that it’s just the above again and not much has changed
Really both oppression and resistance will be used to bend the international law to justify their actions anyway so I don’t know if that difference is that big
It wasn't me that first mentioned it but you chose to reply to my post when I quoted the comment
Any ways back on topic, any one who supports someone who orders people to kill MP's then rants about violence towards anyone else is hypocritical at best and part of a backwards and uncivilised society at worst.
Idk the scrotes who originally tweeted it or sang it (for publicity), the issue i worry about now is that it's attracted all of those with ideologies who want to see violence and separation.
I’m not a Zionist and I can see the change. Once you oppress / murder your own people (as a form of control ) public perception changes, your flag takes on a different meaning .
I would think most people wouldn't support terrorism. Idk what constitutes as support for a terrorist group but in Britain people can be imprisoned for it.
I went back and read the Guardian article on them from a few days to double check before posting. It wasn’t a Palestine flag they waved; it was a Hezbollah flag.
that was a conscious decision. Someone in that band or very close to them actively sought that flag and bought it, and took it to a venue and waved it in front of a crowd of however many hundred or thousand.
To be clear: I’m pro- freedom of speech and against cancel culture and always have been. I’m not calling for Kneecap to be cancelled; I’m disappointed at the hypocrisy of this.
Women across this country and wider have been cancelled, lost their jobs, their social circle, and have been sneered at, and condescended and looked down upon for saying that a man isn’t a woman because he says he is. I wouldn’t be surprised if Kneecap and some of the other bands and artists supporting them publicly also think a man can be a woman because he wants to be. They don’t want biological women to have their freedom of speech but are happy for these wankers to wave a terrorist flag. I’d also put money on some of them cancelling Morrissey for his views.
for some, freedom of speech is only important or of value if you personally agree with it.
that was a conscious decision. Someone in that band or very close to them actively sought that flag and bought it, and took it to a venue and waved it in front of a crowd of however many hundred or thousand.
To be clear: I’m pro- freedom of speech and against cancel culture and always have been. I’m not calling for Kneecap to be cancelled; I’m disappointed at the hypocrisy of this.
Women across this country and wider have been cancelled, lost their jobs, their social circle, and have been sneered at, and condescended and looked down upon for saying that a man isn’t a woman because he says he is. I wouldn’t be surprised if Kneecap and some of the other bands and artists supporting them publicly also think a man can be a woman because he wants to be. They don’t want biological women to have their freedom of speech but are happy for these wankers to wave a terrorist flag. I’d also put money on some of them cancelling Morrissey for his views.
for some, freedom of speech is only important or of value if you personally agree with it.
Lol. You specifically picked out a handful of words of a 3 paragraph, entirely on topic post. You know what you were at.It wasn't me that first mentioned it but you chose to reply to my post when I quoted the comment
Any ways back on topic, any one who supports someone who orders people to kill MP's then rants about violence towards anyone else is hypocritical at best and part of a backwards and uncivilised society at worst.
Idk the scrotes who originally tweeted it or sang it (for publicity), the issue i worry about now is that it's attracted all of those with ideologies who want to see violence and separation.
The only reason it was even mentioned was to make a comparison between the behaviour of politicians making a song and dance about something, deflecting away from their incompetence. That was relevant and not a change of topic.
You tried to steer the conversation towards gender and toilets.
You were called out, let it go FFS.
Uppa lads.
I really can’t see Glastonbury cancelling their gig, especially after the load of artists coming out in support of Kneecap this week.
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You can’t progress if you’re a hardliner.We’d all be 6ft under surrounded by rubble if dissidents ruled.
Because the Brits would have levelled the place with everyone trapped there, like in Gaza?
No! We bombed our towns believe it or not . I’m glad someone saw sense and took the olive branch ,even though traitor isn’t a great label to have . We still have hardliners but they’re in a minority now and shunned by most.
Yes, my point was, it's not 'dissidents' to blame for everyone being 6ft under surrounded by rubble in Gaza. And if the Brits had acted in the same way Israel has, the blood would be on their hands - and I'd hope people would call that out and attempt to stop them.
They do play a part when the belief is only one end to the struggle , not all Palestinians agree with that…That doesn’t excuse the actions of the Israelis .
What's happening with them is an important test case for artistic freedom in this era of cancel culture. The gig they did at Cochella was the gig they do everywhere. They didn't water down their politics for a bunch of rich influencers. Anyone uncomfortable was free to leave. Speech can be provocative and unpleasant so long as it's legal.
Their lyrics are no different to Johnny Cash saying he shot a man in reno just to watch him die or the thousands of rap songs about sex and violence. Listening isn't compulsory and no art should be censored. Anyone like Merryl Streek? He's got a song i love called Death to the Landlord but I'm no threat to mine. The Beatles didn't really live in a yellow submarine either.
They gave their arts grant to youth clubs on both sides of the old sectarian divides and are friends with and promote a rapper from the Sandy Row area so I'd take their lyrics as artistic license anyway. They don't seem to live in a sectarian way.
Haven't had time to read much of the thread so apologies if I'm making points already made.
Their lyrics are no different to Johnny Cash saying he shot a man in reno just to watch him die or the thousands of rap songs about sex and violence. Listening isn't compulsory and no art should be censored. Anyone like Merryl Streek? He's got a song i love called Death to the Landlord but I'm no threat to mine. The Beatles didn't really live in a yellow submarine either.
They gave their arts grant to youth clubs on both sides of the old sectarian divides and are friends with and promote a rapper from the Sandy Row area so I'd take their lyrics as artistic license anyway. They don't seem to live in a sectarian way.
Haven't had time to read much of the thread so apologies if I'm making points already made.
It all feeds into wider issues of separating art from the artist doesn't it. Waving a Hezbollah flag is a stupid stunt but it's not gonna stop me listening to Fine Art. I don't get my political views from my entertainment. Just like listening to Lil Kim doesn't make me act all sexually ferocious, listening to Kneecap wouldn't make me join a Palestinian solidarity demo cos i believe there's pockets of antisemitism I'd never want association with at those events but i fully support their right to self expression and using their platform to bring focus to what's important to them.
They performed practically the same set at Glastonbury last year, IIRC. I can’t see Glastonbury cancelling when they’ve already seen the act be performed on their stage and decided to give them a bigger one this year.
I don't think kneecap themselves are terrorists. Have they been accused of that? I know what you mean about the timing of this but I don't think that excuses what they said and did. Saying solidarity with the Palestinian struggle the day after Oct 7th was a crappy thing to do in my opinion and I think they have shown support for hamas and hezbollah on numerous occasions, that tweet being one of them.
I don't agree with cancelling them now but if they kept praising hamas and hezbollah then I don't know. It's like going around cheering for Islamic State. You just can't be doing that.
The same people who are frothing at the mouth wanting a rap group locked up for saying words are the same people who stay silent about wanted war criminal Netanyahu. I know who I’d rather see behind bars.