Kneecap

[Wee Nora]

100%. Same as Creative Scotland giving money to that sex show last year.
If opposing this kind of shit makes me ‘far right’ these days then I despair.

I mean; Kneecap shouting get the Brits out. Who do they want to replace us with? A load of asylum seekers?

They won their case and donated every penny of the money to community projects on both sides of the political divide in Belfast.
The term “Brits out” is a lot older than Kneecap and everyone knows it refers to British rule in Ireland and not British people.

 

[MaryLou32]

It's the hypocrisy of applying for British grant money when they so venomously hate the British. Are there no Irish grants instead? I suppose it's something else for them to sneer about, taking British money.

The audacity- happy to benefit from "the establishment" they oppose so much. Happy to have a British funded film produced, and do UK festivals.. if they hate the British and UK so much, then surely they shouldn't want to perform there either?

Oh FFS
They pay UK taxes, why wouldn’t they apply for UK funding?
They don’t hate the British and the UK, they want British rule in the North to end and oppose the British establishment.
It’s ironic you talking about them sneering when your entire post is dripping with contempt.
Clueless is an apt username for you on this topic!

 

[pommynoir]

I would implore anyone on this thread who have only heard of kneecap through the news to watch their interviews, maybe even the movie and understand a wee bit more.

 

[Wee Nora]

Lovely. I’d have rather that money wasn’t won or lost at all tbh.

And I’d rather my taxes weren’t contributing to funding a genocide but nobody asked me what I wanted funnily enough.

 

[Wee Nora]

It's the hypocrisy of applying for British grant money when they so venomously hate the British. Are there no Irish grants instead? I suppose it's something else for them to sneer about, taking British money.

The audacity- happy to benefit from "the establishment" they oppose so much. Happy to have a British funded film produced, and do UK festivals.. if they hate the British and UK so much, then surely they shouldn't want to perform there either?

They don’t “hate the British”. They are taxpayers and guess who they pay their taxes to? Might as well flip it on it’s head and say the British establishment are happy to benefit from Kneecap’s taxes. They are as entitled as anyone else to access any appropriate funding.

They oppose British rule in Ireland and so bloody what? Self governance and reunification is a legitimate political aspiration isn’t it?

John Lennon and Paul McCartney were very vocal about their support for the IRA, “give Ireland back to the Irish” and nobody sought to cancel them.

 

[Bezzzz]

kneecap are one of the very few public figures highlighting the on going with the Genoc!de. It’s your kid’s kids that will be taught about this. There is no way around what is happening now and we know when it’s happened before.

We all have to live with this.

 

[monga]

It's absolutely crazy that they win a court case for public funds to support their hateful stuff.

Anyone that dares say it's not the best use of public money will automatically be called "far right".

Check out the Orange Order and their chants , publicly funded and televised. There’s lots of public money being spent on very dark things in NI from paedophilia to murder .Kneecap are tame in comparison .

 

[Wee Nora]

Personally I think the Palestinian cause has become too politicised , kneecap are just another group caught up in sectarian shouty matches the humanitarian message behind the flag is lost, sad to say!

The Irish News reported they have close family links to the West Bank so I’m pretty sure they feel so strongly about it because it’s personal to them. Not that anyone should need to explain why they feel strongly about genocide.

 

[MaryLou32]

The wee froot in the tea cosey needs to wise up. They're all bellends, Larping wee shitebags who didn't grow up in the troubles and they thought they were so clever, until they found out otherwise and now are shitting themselves. I hope they get done for their comments, but then again, if they do, the Irish victimhood complex amongst Republicans will just get worse and more insufferable.

They’ve never claimed to grow up in the troubles, their schtick is the legacy of the troubles and intergenerational trauma.
It doesn’t seem like they are shitting themselves tbh, it’s been said several times by the band and their manager, if their stance causes them to lose money and fame, they don’t care, they are speaking up for what’s right. And that’s what important here.

Republican victimhood complex? Could you expand? that sounds like a sweeping generalisation.

 

[RaveChampion]

They should get Elbow to be their support if they tour.

 

[monga]

It's the hypocrisy of applying for British grant money when they so venomously hate the British. Are there no Irish grants instead? I suppose it's something else for them to sneer about, taking British money.

The audacity- happy to benefit from "the establishment" they oppose so much. Happy to have a British funded film produced, and do UK festivals.. if they hate the British and UK so much, then surely they shouldn't want to perform there either?

That’s what colonization affords you it’s not a choice!

 

[minimaz]

Not my taste in music so can't say I've engaged with them on that level but people who are in to that sort of music seem to really like them.

As regards their political statements, in my opinion they're all fur coat no knickers, just repeating talking points that they've heard online without any deeper meaning, its very much an older boy told me. They think their on the right side of history and are parroting support for Hezbollah and Hamas and either don't know or don't care what those groups have as their aims.

Their nonsense about "kill your local MP" being taken out of context but then not providing any way shape or form under which that would be acceptable to say.

I think we have to acknowledge that there are a certain percentage of people who long for the troubles to be back so they can continue a "righteous" war whereas the vast majority of us are so grateful for peace and that people had the sense to sign up for the GFA. Paddy Kielty whos Dad was killed during the troubles did a great documentary about the GFA and the changes it brought but you could still see some of the people he interviewed were dying for it all to kick off again

If these were teenagers, I'd have a lot of sympathy for them but 2 are in their 30's and 1 is late 20's its past time to know better.

 

[Wee Nora]

Oh come on now @Wee Nora, I think my post was fairly balanced and I readily admitted to not knowing much about their work because a) I don't listen to rap and b) especially if it's in Irish. I know of them through Hasan Piker and the Palestinian cause. Anyway, what is wrong with using the word agitator? Agitator is defined as "a person who stirs up others in order to upset the status quo and further a political, social, or other cause." I could have called them shit-disturbers. I would use the same word to describe Kanye, Madonna, Morrissey or John Lydon; people who have a history shooting their mouths off for shock value.

You can learn all you want about a subject in history, anecdotes from family, people who were there, but it will still never compare to actually living through it.

One of them is from Derry, the other two from West Belfast and their age is irrelevant. There are babies being born today who will be affected by the troubles because intergenerational trauma isn’t anecdotal.

The biggest report of its kind into intergenerational trauma in NI was completed in February and the findings were conclusive, intergenerational is widespread and affects everything from educational outcomes to health and life expectancy. We have huge legacy issues here, walls still divide parts of Belfast because our “peace” is a very fragile one. Shocked I have to point that out tbh.

 

[nothanksbabes]

Lovely. I’d have rather that money wasn’t won or lost at all tbh.

Anyone able to dive in and give the missing context around ‘kill your local MP’ or support for Hezbollah, or…

Weren't they awarded an arts grant, and then because the money wasn't used for something the a British government liked, they tried to claw it back, hence the court case?

In this case I'm on Kneecap's side. The government doesn't get to decide what is or isn't art just because they don't like something.

 

[Wee Nora]

I have let this topic simmer on the back burner of my mind this week. Yes, they have every right to call out Israel and they shouldn't be blacklisted/cancelled for it. Their comment "kill your local MP" is ignorant to put it mildly, considering 2 British MPs have been murdered. You expect it from a 14-year-old male edgelord on the Internet to spew that kind of crap, but these dudes are in their 20s and 30s, grow the fuck up. They have apparently apologized to the Cox and Arness familes; well the Cox family said it was a half apology. Kneecap said “We also reject any suggestion that we would seek to incite violence against any MP or individual. Ever." Why say it in the first place? If you want to portay yourselves as allies in any cause, you need to be mindful of what you say.

Rap as a genre lost me in the early 90s. I haven't seen the film or know much else about Kneecap, other than they are the agitators of the moment. I don't get where they are coming from. The eldest was what, 8 years old when the Irish Peace Accords were signed? They come across as IRA cosplayers wishing it was still the 1970s. Maybe they can do their own interpretation of The Poni-Tails "Born Too Late-2B a Provo." Going to suck on my Werther's and listen to Kool Moe Dee.

You lost me when you said Kneecap are the agitators.
So just because they weren’t around in the 1970s you think they know nothing of the troubles? And people will confidently call them uneducated. The troubles didn’t end in 1998 just like history didn’t begin on October 7th.

 

[MaryLou32]

I don't see how simply pointing out their blatant hypocrisy is "dripping with contempt", but ok!



Perhaps they actually said "It would be wrong to kill your local MP" but the evil establishment are at their work once again

I’m interested to you what your proposed solution would be then?

Not just for kneecap, for any person in the north who wants to see a UI. Should we not work, not participate in society, not pay taxes, not abide by UK law, not seek opportunity of any kind as that’s ‘hypocritical’ because of our position on the constitutional future?

 

[clueless]

It's the hypocrisy of applying for British grant money when they so venomously hate the British. Are there no Irish grants instead? I suppose it's something else for them to sneer about, taking British money.

The audacity- happy to benefit from "the establishment" they oppose so much. Happy to have a British funded film produced, and do UK festivals.. if they hate the British and UK so much, then surely they shouldn't want to perform there either?

 

[Bobby Chariot]

Attention seeking neds, it's getting them publicity I suppose, but normal folk sympathetic to the Palestinians want nothing to do with Hezbollah or Hamas.
When their gigs at various festivals start getting cancelled they might grow up.

 

[Lazarus]

They won’t grow up, they’ll take the Russell Brand route of blaming everyone but themselves.
in one of their statements this week they’ve said: They want you to believe words are more harmful than genocide

As if this is all some big conspiracy theory and they’re not supposed to be held accountable. As the Spectator article says, the hypocrisy of those on the left will allow women to be cancelled for saying men aren’t women, but will permit these wankers to be saying it’s fine to kill your local MP, and wave terrorist flags with no comeback.

 

[Wee Nora]

Imagine finding out that a teacher, supposed to be educating your child and supporting them to grow as people was spouting Get the Brits Out and waving a Hezbollah flag and encouraging people to kill your MP?
You’d want them struck off. Doubly so if they were Muslim - you’d call them an extremist and wouldn’t want them near your kids.

Hardly that shocking when you consider a sitting MP in the House of Commons congratulated Loyalist terrorists when they murdered a Sinn Fein politician and called for civilian Nationalists to be “exterminated”? That was Sammy Wilson MP, who stood on his soapbox yesterday in the HOC delivering a lengthy rant about Kneecap inciting violence.
I must’ve missed the hysteria about his comments. It’s also not too long ago he was calling for guerrilla warfare on our streets over the consequences of Brexit. Tumbleweed

Selective outrage and pearl clutching is all it is. Not aiming that at you btw but at anyone who has their knickers in a twist about Kneecap but can’t muster a single word about a literal genocide.