This has turned into an off topic discussion for which I think there are other threads about. Sorry if that sounds like I’m trying to police this thread; I’m not. I know it’s nuanced and hard to separate Kneecap from this but still…
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It's fine, we can still continue to talk about what's happening with Kneecap. Should be interesting!
You’d be naive to think a piece of paper would ever take away injustice.
It’s people trying to get across why others feel as they do , my first thoughts when I saw the “ only good Tory is a dead one “ was in reference to Maggie Thatcher? Ding Dong the witch is dead is another favourite chant amongst Republicans, over her stance on the hunger strikers, they did bomb the Tory party conference in Brighton.
But this is the hate crime
try and pulp a couple of Catholic boys to death with garden furniture and no arrests (despite names being given ) but throw paint on a Unionist monument and it’s a crime…That’s the reality that Kneecap put across on stage.Attachments
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Injustice…or….republican victimhood
Anyway, great to see other artists speaking out at this attempted silencing and cancellation of Kneecap.
More Kneecap gigs cancelled in Germany after 'kill your MP' controversy
A ticket site for the Irish rap band's gigs in Hamburg, Berlin and Cologne confirms the summer shows are no longer going ahead.
www.bbc.com
"Three more Kneecap concerts have been cancelled in Germany"
Hes acting like we're all sound with what Netanyahu is up to.
Personally I wouldn't support Netanyahu being allowed to play Glastonbury.
You don't get to say "kill your local MP" and then try to claim you have the higher moral ground. As far as I know Jo Cox's husband doesn't have a pro-Israel agenda to prevent them from speaking about Gaza, hes said how damaging what they said was and called out their non apology.
They've wrecked what they claim they were trying to achieve which was bringing attention to the genocide in Gaza by claiming support of terrorist groups and calling for violence.
They’re claiming “ bad actors “ are to blame? I’d like to see the full context of what they were referring too.
You’re missing the point. You can’t make a comparison with Netanyahu, who is actively responsible for the murder of thousands of people and Kneecap who have…said words.
Kneecap quite literally do have the moral higher ground over that bleep.
What was non apologetic about their apology
they can’t really win can they?They claimed "kill your local MP " was taken out of context but I don't know what context that would be ok and they didn't explain in what context they meant it that would be okWhat was non apologetic about their apology
From their "apology"
"We also reject any suggestion that we would seek to incite violence against any MP or individual. Ever. An extract of footage, deliberately taken out of all context, is now being exploited and weaponised, as if it were a call to action. This distortion is not only absurd - it is a transparent effort to derail the real conversation. "
As explained earlier the context was performance. It’s hyperbole. Pomp. Banter. Peacocking. Slabbering. Carrying on.
Call it whatever you want, but you know very well they weren’t actively encouraging or compelling anyone to commit murder ffs.
You’re either pearl clutching or incredibly naive.
Have you ever told a friend you’ll kill them in the context of having a few drinks, having the craic and doing a bit of slabbering
If so- get yourself down to the police station cos you’re nothing but a criminal.
I’m not saying their comments are big, clever, particularly funny or wise, but I recognise that they mean sweet duck all.
I’m yet to see one person who was at the gig in question say they genuinely took the comments as an incitement to murder an MP.
Eminem’s music (for one example) is full of references to violence, grape, guns, knives, murder etc. If we were to take every word an artist says literally then there would be nobody left to cancel.
As explained earlier the context was performance. It’s hyperbole. Pomp. Banter. Peacocking. Slabbering. Carrying on.
Call it whatever you want, but you know very well they weren’t actively encouraging or compelling anyone to commit murder ffs.
You’re either pearl clutching or incredibly naive.
Have you ever told a friend you’ll kill them in the context of having a few drinks, having the craic and doing a bit of slabbering
If so- get yourself down to the police station cos you’re nothing but a criminal.
I’m not saying their comments are big, clever, particularly funny or wise, but I recognise that they mean sweet duck all.
I’m yet to see one person who was at the gig in question say they genuinely took the comments as an incitement to murder an MP.
I mean did anyone take that tweet about burning down a refugee hostel as as compelling someone to commit murder? She still got 31 months for a tweet that was deleted fairly shortly afterwards. I have yet to see a single person who saw her tweet and decided to go out and commit arson or murder
As explained earlier the context was performance. It’s hyperbole. Pomp. Banter. Peacocking. Slabbering. Carrying on.
Call it whatever you want, but you know very well they weren’t actively encouraging or compelling anyone to commit murder ffs.
You’re either pearl clutching or incredibly naive.
Have you ever told a friend you’ll kill them in the context of having a few drinks, having the craic and doing a bit of slabbering
If so- get yourself down to the police station cos you’re nothing but a criminal.
I’m not saying their comments are big, clever, particularly funny or wise, but I recognise that they mean sweet duck all.
I’m yet to see one person who was at the gig in question say they genuinely took the comments as an incitement to murder an MP.
I'm not saying that incitment to hate laws are proportionate but the idea that they're being targeted unfairly is laughable when people with smaller audiences have faced stiff penalties for saying similar.
I genuinely don’t know the details of what happened so I won’t comment with any conviction but at a quick glance I don’t necessarily agree with that either.
Does she sound like a deeply unpleasant racist hag? Yes.
But did she deserve jail for one tweet? Probably not. But again I know nothing of it bar what I’ve read in the last few mins.
I will say the world has gone a wee bit mad with this stuff. People are absolutely falling over themselves to let the world know they are offended. Is most of the outrage performative nonsense? Yep!
Cancel bleeping culture gone mad.
By all means let’s cancel genocidal maniacs, sex offenders and the likes.
But a rap band for saying words?
duck away off.
(Not you specifically, just in general)
Well they are saying there is extra context to it. Given that they have been chanting about Thatcher being dead and no one bats an eye (as someone else mentioned), I suspect that context may be relevant
So the answer is to find the full unedited video
Given the airtime their manager has had this past week, he's done nothing but deflect to the situation in Gaza. I don't think many people would dispute that the situation there is awful, but it doesn't answer the question about killing MP's, does it?
They're making martyrs of themselves.
I’ve seen the clip but not the full version .I took to mean MP’s facilitate wars “ kill MP’s “ They also did a chant about Thatcher that never raised an eyebrow in the MSM .
