Kneecap

[Merpedy]

Given the airtime their manager has had this past week, he's done nothing but deflect to the situation in Gaza. I don't think many people would dispute that the situation there is awful, but it doesn't answer the question about killing MP's, does it?
They're making martyrs of themselves.

Yet they addressed it in their statement and people are getting outraged primarily around headlines without I suspect watching the unedited video. I haven’t seen the video so can’t comment beyond that

With how Israel and Zionists play games it makes sense why they’re not losing focus on Gaza

 

[Veronicaaa]

With how Israel and Zionists play games it makes sense why they’re not losing focus on Gaza

Yes, people like to play dumb about where the smear campaign is coming from and why it's being done, when it is very much part of the playbook

https://www.uklfi.com/counter-terrorism-police-investigate-kneecap-following-uklfi-report

What triggered this was the Coachella appearance, during which screens behind them said :
“Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people”
“It is being enabled by the US government who arm and fund Israel despite their war crimes.”
“duck Israel. Free Palestine.”

 

[monga]

Their message has reached the chosen audience …( flashing images )

 

[BANRÍON]

There seems to be an underlying theme to all of this discourse - All the politicians and people outraged at Kneecap over the last week are the same people who shout and protest for free speech consistently. You want free speech but only when its speech you agree with?

If Kneecap wanted to incite violence and for their fans to kill their MPs and stated this a few years ago at a concert, why hasnt that happened yet? I havent heard any reports in recent years of anyone hurting or inciting violence against their local MPs soley because they were instructed to do so by Kneecap. Context is important, and the evidence that violence actually hasnt been incited and that they havent instructed their fans to kill their MPs, is that it literally hasnt happened????

What sort of weird dystopian world are we living in that politicians are having beef with a rap group? Do they have nothing better to be doing? It very much seems like the whole toilet debate, "As politicians, lets grab something, run with it and make sure its at the forefront of every political conversation for the forseeable so that we cant be held accountable for doing absolutely duck all".

Seas le Kneecap

 

[Veronicaaa]

we cant be held accountable for doing absolutely duck all".

Agreed, but they bombed Yemen yesterday, so they're not exactly doing duck all. Just duck all of any use.

 

[Piff paff puff]

like the whole toilet debate

You mean the one where the high court had to define the meaning of female so that 51% of the population are safe from males? I'd say it was a big issue for that to have to be established.

 

[MaryLou32]

You mean the one where the high court had to define the meaning of female so that 51% of the population are safe from males? I'd say it was a big issue for that to have to be established.

There’s a thread for that so

 

[Piff paff puff]

There’s a thread for that so

There was a thread for # freepalestine also

 

[MaryLou32]

There was a thread for # freepalestine also

Yep and Free Palestine is a message consistently platformed by Kneecap, therefore relevant to the conversation.

What toilet people piss in, is not.

 

[Justherefortittle]

Think in starting a thread to discuss the ‘headline news’ that is currently Kneecap there will inevitably be discussion about Palestine Isreal Ireland Politics and the impact of the ‘Troubles’

This thread has interestingly been given the labels Northern Ireland and UK Politics.

It’s right that this is being discussed.

Vilification of Kneecap and their music/allies/words being torn apart and misconstrued doesn’t come as any shock.

Especially for those with a monochrome of common sense and social awareness, gained through lived experiences!

In Northern Ireland schools catholic children got taught Irish, British & world history at school.

As my non catholic friends and family will testify they got taught a lot of British History, not a lot about the world aspects unless related to Britain & favouring their involvement and definitely no Irish history.
I would bet that schools in the mainland UK followed the same pattern

 

[BANRÍON]

As my non catholic friends and family will testify they got taught a lot of British History, not a lot about the world aspects unless related to Britain & favouring their involvement and definitely no Irish history.
I would bet that schools in the mainland UK followed the same pattern

As someone who went to a protestant school and was raised protestant, i can 100% stand behind this. I knew nothing of true, factual Irish history until I grew up, moved out and educated myself. They are none the wiser normally, but in this day and age, ignorance is not an excuse anymore, google is free folks!

 

[Em_gardener]

I watched the video and I think kill your MP was a joke but in bad taste and the kind of thing that looks worse on social media.

I think the support for hamas and hezbollah is a much bigger issue. They tweeted "solidarity with the Palestinian struggle" the day after the October 7th attack. Anyone decent would be disgusted by what happened that day surely. They put up a picture of one of them reading Nasrallah's book recently too and they clearly shouted up hamas up hezbollah. They've denied supporting them now but that's obviously damage control.

It's possible to be complete disgusted by what's happening in Gaza and also think that kneecap are immature bleeps.

 

[thegirlscout]

As my non catholic friends and family will testify they got taught a lot of British History, not a lot about the world aspects unless related to Britain & favouring their involvement and definitely no Irish history.
I would bet that schools in the mainland UK followed the same pattern

Went to school in England - we weren’t taught any Irish history. Which is ridiculous when you think of how intrinsic it is to British history and Britain today. To be fair we taught about Romans, a bit about the Tudors, Victorians and WW1 and 2 in relation to British history. I don’t know what it is now but I feel like it should be changed to include teachings about Wales, Ireland and Scotland and not have it so English upper class focused.

 

[Veronicaaa]

It's possible to be complete disgusted by what's happening in Gaza and also think that kneecap are immature bleeps.

It's also possible not to support the prevailing narrative that anti-genocide protesters are terrorists.

 

[Em_gardener]

It's also possible not to support the prevailing narrative that anti-genocide protesters are terrorists.

I don't support that narrative but I do think hamas and hezbollah are terrorists and I do think less of kneecap for supporting them. They're distancing themselves from their support of hamas and hezbollah now so they obviously know themselves that it's making them look bad.

 

[Veronicaaa]

I don't support that narrative but I do think hamas and hezbollah are terrorists and I do think less of kneecap for supporting them. They're distancing themselves from their support of hamas and hezbollah now so they obviously know themselves that it's making them look bad.

They are being targeted and smeared as terrorists precisely because they are outspoken about the genocide, though. Like many before them. It's a tactic to silence them https://www.uklfi.com/counter-terrorism-police-investigate-kneecap-following-uklfi-report

 

[Merpedy]

I don't support that narrative but I do think hamas and hezbollah are terrorists and I do think less of kneecap for supporting them. They're distancing themselves from their support of hamas and hezbollah now so they obviously know themselves that it's making them look bad.

Is it that they actually support them or they said “big up Hamas/Hezbollah” a few times more or less. I find it hard to call that support imo, granted you can still think less of them for it because the types of statements/humour (if we agree they’re just making edgy statements for shock factor) aren’t for everyone

Interesting how they almost get treated as some extremist organisation borderline radicalising or collecting other extremist members for their cause by some (not you)

 

[monga]

They are being targeted and smeared as terrorists precisely because they are outspoken about the genocide, though. Like many before them. It's a tactic to silence them https://www.uklfi.com/counter-terrorism-police-investigate-kneecap-following-uklfi-report

Like I said earlier the Palestinian flag has taken on a new meaning , it’s not a symbol of struggle any longer more one of resistance ,that won’t sit right with everyone .

 

[monga]

Is it that they actually support them or they said “big up Hamas/Hezbollah” a few times more or less. I find it hard to call that support imo, granted you can still think less of them for it because the types of statements/humour (if we agree they’re just making edgy statements for shock factor) aren’t for everyone

Interesting how they almost get treated as some extremist organisation borderline radicalising or collecting other extremist members for their cause by some (not you)

How do you feel about their support for the IRA ? Do British people agree with it?

 

[Merpedy]

Like I said earlier the Palestinian flag has taken on a new meaning , it’s not a symbol of struggle any longer more one of resistance ,that won’t sit right with everyone .

It was always a flag of resistance its just not something we had to recognise in the west because we could live in our little bubbles of ignorance