Reminds me of an old Charlie Brown/Peanuts cartoon:-What type of music do they play?
"To hang out with us you have to like Beethoven"
"Go on then but just a small glass"
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"To hang out with us you have to like Beethoven"
"Go on then but just a small glass"
It's not, though. Hezbollah are in fact enemies of the far-right extremism embodied by the Israeli government.
Well their two biggest hits are the tune of Amhrán na bhFiann with the lyrics of GSTK and then the tune of the sash with the lyrics of Come out ye Black and Tans.What type of music do they play?
Two cross community bangers
I don't see how simply pointing out their blatant hypocrisy is "dripping with contempt", but ok!Oh FFS
They pay UK taxes, why wouldn’t they apply for UK funding?
They don’t hate the British and the UK, they want British rule in the North to end and oppose the British establishment.
It’s ironic you talking about them sneering when your entire post is dripping with contempt.
Clueless is an apt username for you on this topic!
Perhaps they actually said "It would be wrong to kill your local MP" but the evil establishment are at their work once again
I’m interested to you what your proposed solution would be then?I don't see how simply pointing out their blatant hypocrisy is "dripping with contempt", but ok!
Perhaps they actually said "It would be wrong to kill your local MP" but the evil establishment are at their work once again
Not just for kneecap, for any person in the north who wants to see a UI. Should we not work, not participate in society, not pay taxes, not abide by UK law, not seek opportunity of any kind as that’s ‘hypocritical’ because of our position on the constitutional future?
IMO, there’s a big difference between advocating for constitutional change and what Kneecap are doing. Glorifying violence, chanting ‘up Hamas,’ 'up Hezbollah', mocking victims of terrorism, calling for more politicians to be murdered... that’s not principled nationalism, that’s performative provocation. I know plenty of people who would like a UI that would never behave or speak like they do.
My point isn’t that anyone with a different constitutional vision shouldn’t participate in society. It’s that Kneecap, in particular, profit from the very system they claim to despise, while making a brand out of hostility. It’s not about opposing British rule; it’s about profiting off the UK while publicly ridiculing it with venom and bile. That’s the hypocrisy.
So this is what confuses me, if you understand that the recent carry on is performative provocation then what’s all the drama about? The words (in particular around murdering MPs) was clearly not meant to be taken seriously, so couldn’t it be said the pearl clutching outrage is performative and part of the reason for that- is their unwavering stance on Palestine and lack of fear in calling out Israel. And perhaps less so, but still relevant, how outspoken they are about a UI?
As they have said themselves there is more outrage and news headlines this week about the words of a few fellas on stage than actual genocidal actions. It baffles me.
Again, they don’t have an option? What’s the alternative? We are under UK rule, we have no choice but to participate in the system unless we leave NI and why should we do that?
Why shouldn’t they make money? Why shouldn’t they profit? Why shouldn’t they be successful, whilst still being able to criticise. By your logic, anyone opposed to a labour government and voted Tory shouldn’t be able to profit then? It doesn’t make sense.
That’s not hypocrisy, that’s just the reality. People have to live and eat
it’s such a weird take!You keep generalising this as if the critique is aimed at everyone in the North who wants a United Ireland. It’s not. It’s about Kneecap’s specific brand of edgelord activism- invoking terrorist groups, chanting about murdering MPs, then crying ‘context!’ when backlash comes. That’s not brave political commentary; it’s just juvenile theatre designed to provoke headlines.So this is what confuses me, if you understand that the recent carry on is performative provocation then what’s all the drama about? The words (in particular around murdering MPs) was clearly not meant to be taken seriously, so couldn’t it be said the pearl clutching outrage is performative and part of the reason for that- is their unwavering stance on Palestine and lack of fear in calling out Israel. And perhaps less so, but still relevant, how outspoken they are about a UI?
As they have said themselves there is more outrage and news headlines this week about the words of a few fellas on stage than actual genocidal actions. It baffles me.
Again, they don’t have an option? What’s the alternative? We are under UK rule, we have no choice but to participate in the system unless we leave NI and why should we do that?
Why shouldn’t they make money? Why shouldn’t they profit? Why shouldn’t they be successful, whilst still being able to criticise. By your logic, anyone opposed to a labour government and voted Tory shouldn’t be able to profit then? It doesn’t make sense.
That’s not hypocrisy, that’s just the reality. People have to live and eat
Sure, people have to live and eat, but most don’t build a career on gleefully antagonising the very system they’re feeding from. There’s a clear line between criticising a system and trolling it for clout, then acting aggrieved when called out. That’s the hypocrisy I’m talking about.
It’s not a weird take, it’s just one you clearly don’t agree with. And that’s fine, we’re obviously not going to see eye to eye on this.
We hardly ever hear about NI issues in the UK so it’s hardly surprising that a band needs to use some performance based stuff to get headlines to me
I think it’s sort of silly to be expecting a band to provide the most reasonable and nuanced political commentary in general to be honest, that’s why we have politicians and the more boring activists
Honestly I see them more as people who care deeply about a couple of issues and incorporate them into their brand than I see them as activists pushing for serious change. I suspect it’s the same for many of their fans, their music sounds good and the guys are fun
I think it’s sort of silly to be expecting a band to provide the most reasonable and nuanced political commentary in general to be honest, that’s why we have politicians and the more boring activists
Honestly I see them more as people who care deeply about a couple of issues and incorporate them into their brand than I see them as activists pushing for serious change. I suspect it’s the same for many of their fans, their music sounds good and the guys are fun
Their performances are no secret I’d have to ask why venues signed them up in the first place
Hezbollah are far right
Being vehemently anti LGBT and saying gay people are a ‘threat to society’ is extremist far right rhetoric. Saying women should cover up is extremist far right rhetoric. Just because they are anti Israel doesn’t mean they are this beacon.
It’s not a performance it’s how we roll
it’s part of our culture on both sides of the divide to express ourselves through music / art of history past and present.The Wolfetones have been tarnished for decades for their style of appreciative lyrics yet sell out every venue they enter.They seem like immature edgelords who have important messages drowned by childish tactics.
I’ve also read that one of them has been accused of sexual assault which is worrying.
I’ve also read that one of them has been accused of sexual assault which is worrying.
Haha true. What exactly were they expecting? Bible readings and the rosaryTheir performances are no secret I’d have to ask why venues signed them up in the first place
It’s crazyHaha true. What exactly were they expecting? Bible readings and the rosary
I’m surprised they’ve went as far as they have their style is usually confined to local venues, not healine acts ! even their name signifies terrorist punishment attacks…Jesus wept …Bring on the Free Presbyterians 
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Makes me wonder if the people booking acts actually research who they are booking? Because surely there is some research before they agree. So I don’t get why they suddenly cancel them because they should by now know what this band is about.Haha true. What exactly were they expecting? Bible readings and the rosary
I didn't say they were a beacon, I said they were not far right extremists.Hezbollah are far right
Being vehemently anti LGBT and saying gay people are a ‘threat to society’ is extremist far right rhetoric. Saying women should cover up is extremist far right rhetoric. Just because they are anti Israel doesn’t mean they are this beacon.
But I'm sure my definition of far right differs greatly from yours.
For example, *I* would say the Great Replacement theory is far right ideology, and significantly more extremist than being anti-LGBT or pro-veil.
And I'd say genocide and ethnic cleansing is the most extreme form of far right ideology that there is.