Karen Read Case

[Kitty kat 20]

Lori daybell needs her own thread tbh. It's utterly shocking how she became so warped with that zombie stuff that she killed her own children. Sick really

 

[TapToBoreMeRigid]

This expert is straight to the point, sure of his answers and 100% credible.

 

[Tatvam]

Again, finding it difficult to believe that the prosecution can prove this case does not mean that you believe in "some sort of drama fantasy". It means you believe in the law

 

[theGC]

It will be interesting when we get to the phone and all it’s data, they even said they have the temperature of his phone and when it changed

 

[LondonCalling272]

Well for one tiny example;

why is it ok for Wolfe to have had communications with the defence via signal - an anonymous app which can’t be recovered - and also destroy his phone and get a new one…

but Brian Higgins (whose phone wasn’t required by the police at the time), got rid of his phone and purchased a new one, and somehow it’s evidence of a cover up.

It’s the double standards that are unnecessary.

I’m absolutely steadfast in my opinion that she’s guilty. It’s a small town and people are acting like the Alberts are the Sopranos, with everyone in their pocket covering up the murder - who was one of their friends (a fact a lot of people are forgetting).

Anyway peace out

ARCCA weren't hired by the defence for the first trial, the deleted messages were deleted after the first trial.

Brian Higgins and Brian Albert destroyed their phones the day before the preservation order took effect - Brian Higgins extracted his own messages and turned it over. The implication behind it is that they were hiding something.

John O'Keefe was their friend but they didn't go to his funeral and referred to him as "the guy"

None of this changes there being no scientific evidence that John was hit by Karen's car. The Commonwealth still have a long way to go to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, especially after Yuri Bukhenik's day on the stand yesterday.

 

[LondonCalling272]

Also, he wasn’t dead at 00:32 so he could have been scrambling for his phone and locked it. It’s not to say she drove away at that time.

Could... that's doubt
I don't think she's a likeable person or that she has done herself any favours with all the interviews but it's about the Commonwealth proving it beyond a reasonable doubt and so far they can't.

 

[LondonCalling272]

I mean, I just hope folk are warming up properly because the stretches that are taking place are insaannneeeee.

Please. You came into it what a week into the first trial and decided she’s guilty before the commonwealth have even finished their CIC let alone the defence presenting theirs.

Yes the idea of a coverup is absurd but there’s already plenty evidence of weird goings on in Canton. Look at the select board which governs the police. Who is on that? Chris Albert.

 

[LondonCalling272]

I wonder if Alessi's science background played into the decision.

He was meant to have been around in the background for trial one then came on board pro bono for the second trial. He’s got a scientific background and he’s also a pharmacist.

 

[Nottonightbabe]

Thread to discuss the Karen Read case, retrial is due to commence today.

 

[Sparklehorse]

Just my opinion but I think she was that drunk she didn’t know she’d knocked into him that night. She drove them both to 34 Fairview, they argued as they pulled up, he got out the car and she was mad he did. She did a 3 point turn, knocked him down without realising then drove off as she just assumed he’d gone into the house.
She’s not guilty of murder but she was so drunk she doesn’t realise she’s hit him. There’s no hidden cop conspiracy- she’s gone on record to change her narrative multiple times and she’s suddenly remembered clear details (ie listening to U2 in the car) but it was a terrible drunken accident

 

[LondonCalling272]

Microscopic. Did he take the taillight home, stick it in a blender, then rub it into the fabric?

The glass John was found with didn’t match the glasses from the bar and didn’t match the glass on the bumper, there was a match to a single piece of glass submitted by Proctor.

It’s not that beyond belief that some could have been shoved into the bag and it splinters off over the weeks of being in the car

I’m from a police family, I don’t want to think badly of the police but when there’s so many odd things about this case to the point other law enforcement comment on it, something’s up.
You lose ground when you have to be facetious about people’s opinions like hurr durr the stairs yeah because he couldn’t have gone up and down…

We’re never going to agree as I believe in innocent until proven guilty and the Commonwealth haven’t even finished their CIC nor have the defence started theirs. I’ll agree to disagree and don’t see the point in replying to each other anymore.

 

[LondonCalling272]

Injuries don’t line up with being hit from the front of a car - all parties agreed on that.

Key cycles - ARCCA themselves said their scope was limited - not sure if they had all the data. And it really comes down to who you believe has extracted and analysed the data, properly.

John’s clothing left in a police car - no evidence is was tampered with.

Commonwealth haven’t *changed* a timeline, the evidence extracted from data has given new perspectives and information.

Tail light pieces were all stated to have matched - are you suggesting there are foreign tail light pieces?

Lucky is a severely colour blind, ageing plow driver. He also testified he hit a basketball hoop that night in his tow truck, not exactly the observant, careful driver he’s being made out to be.

You can’t say the evidence wasn’t tampered with. It was in his car for weeks there’s no proper chain of custody on it. Had it been bagged and submitted immediately you could say that, yes.

The commonwealth absolutely have changed their timeline. I think you said you were new to this trial before? In the first trial they had Trooper Paul testifying that it happened at 12:45, the time has changed a further 3 times since then. That affects everything around the timeline.

47 pieces of tail light were found, 24 of them don’t fit Karen’s tail light and Sgt Barros testified that the tail light was cracked with a small piece missing not entirely broken. Kerry Robert’s also testified that were was a small piece missing. The first tail light pieces were found after Karen’s car was taken.

Higgins said he didn’t call anyone but him and Brian Albert exchanged “butt dials” a few minutes before the Hos long to die in cold search. He said he went there to move cars, he’s on video going into cars and retrieving items. He’s also on video on his phone and there’s another video of him in the sally port on the phone.

Fight gone wrong… why would they have had to ambush him from behind? A punch to the face can knock someone backwards. The medical examiner said the call the hospital got was that he had been at a party and there was an altercation. Dr Renee Stonebridge who examined John’s brain basically said he’d been beaten to a pulp.
Motive; there was prior history between John and Colin Albert. Helena Rafferty also confirmed John had reported drug activity in the area.
Doesn’t even have to have been premeditated, situation flared up and it was a bad accident that got covered up to protect Colin
Higgins was squaring up to John at the bar.

It’s not that far fetched to believe there’s corruption going on in that police department. Not sure if you’re aware of the Sandra Birchmore case which is going on simultaneously.

Sandra was in the police explorers where she met officer Matthew Farwell, he ended up grooming her and having an affair with her for years while his wife was pregnant, passed her to his brother too. Sandra became pregnant and intended on keeping the baby, she was then found dead in her apartment believed to be a suicide but it had been staged by Farwell.
Trooper Guarino was part of that investigation and said he found no communication link between Farwell and Birchmore… the FBI found 32000 messages between them.

 

[evoway13]

Meant to add, even if Karen hit him, there's enough doubt with this bungled case. The police didn't look for another culprit which is their downfall

 

[juniperroad]

I wonder what Proctor is thinking/doing right now? You can tell the commonwealth is going to make him the fall guy.

This trial is interesting in the way witnesses are being called. Lally called some police officers in first, then Jen. It seems weird to hear from her first. She totally threw the police under the bus. The whole department must be cringing. I mean, they should be; they look awful. She basically said they didn't do their job and didn't write down what I told them.

I wish I had a magic wand and everyone would just get on the stand and tell the truth. So frustrating to hear them all stepping around the answers.

 

[Tatvam]

I believe in common sense.

But thats subjective isn't it. I hope if i'm ever facing trial my life isn't in the hands of twelve strangers "common sense"

 

[Alfie1234]

This!! Love the ignore button!

Homestly, the amount of times I was reading about her being a narc I thought I’d wandered into the Megan and Harry thread People love to call,women narcs these days when they don’t put up with shit.

 

[evoway13]

If this had happened here in the UK, it would probably have been classified as an accident......and she would've got a slap on the wrist

The O'Keefe family are depending on Karen being found guilty ....as they are suing her in the civil courts

 

[Alittlebitofme]

Oh dear, looks like AJ and Karen’s LinkedIns are out of date too. What will happen now?!

there is a difference between an out of date CV and blatantly lying about having a degree that you don’t have

 

[LondonCalling272]

Just saw the whole thing of the affidavit, wow, I wonder if there will be side baaaah about this on Monday morning or it’ll be swept under the carpet.

 

[LondonCalling272]

Ignoring for a minute the criminal trial and beyond a reasonable doubt standard of proof and instead looking at civil liability do those people who support Karen think on a balance of probabilities basis i.e. more likely than not (the standard in a civil trial) that the dog/Alberts or Karen is civilly liable?

Chloe had prior for bites, one of the people she bit is on the witness list along with her husband.