Jeffrey Epstein

[Dotty Merton]

It's a technique, all this info, too much to handle. I saw Bannon say it somewhere, 'flood them with chaos.'

 

[lamaitresse]

Honestly, I've lost count of the amount of 'Epstein lists' online I've seen over the last few years.

( This one is pretty funny, though, and I'd seen it ages ago, Here we go with the fake "leaked" Epstein list... : Qult_Headquarters (reddit.com) - mentioned it here last week ) - and for those who skim-read the Tweet, or don't understand: The Tweet says, 'Look how many on there are those who hate Trump and said they were going to leave the country WHEN he wins.' - you get a lot of this from US commenters on the DM as well.

If you think the list in the link above is real, I have some magic beans so sell you...

Unfortunately, people use this to try to bring down celebrities who they feel are against Trump (that Tweet being a prime example), and/or don't like because of their sexuality. Worse, some talk about nonsensical science they don't understand such as adrenochrome, torturing trafficked children who live underground, which leads us to the scammers who operate in the QAnon world. Yes, scammers. People who sell silver, gold, Trump Bucks and the Nesara Gesara theory that's been around decades. Silver will apparently be the new currency and quantum banking will be the new system (run by SpaceForce - yes - you read that right - a lot of the theories sound very Scientology and movie narrative-alike). Everyone being millionaires and billionaires wouldn't work economically, even though it's a nice fantasy.

Phil Godlewski is one of many who has got rich from this QAnon grift.

The QAnons are obsessed with pedalophilia and either call people they hate 'that term' or talk very graphically about how it occurs - to the point it makes me side-eye those relishing the details and sharing it. It seems like a red flag to me and makes me very uncomfortable.

By no means am I underplaying the evils Epstein and Maxwell perpetrated, and the people involved, who rightly should have to pay for their crimes. But we need to focus on truth - not rumour - and tread carefully that we're not giving fuel to internet egotists who want to make money and bring down the people they irrationally hate (celebrities and political figures) with no real substance at all.

I particularly hate the Michelle Obama gender BS - it is misogynistic and racist - Lady Gaga used to be a huge target for the "she's really a man" Photoshopped and doctored photos and videos - but that all died down for some reason!!

 

[Piff paff puff]

I'm assuming cottaging isn't anything to do with rural living?
There aren't many men with money and power who aren't corrupted. Begs the question is it the money and power that brings out the worst in them or are they of that nature and that attracts them to that lifestyle and eventual misdemeanors?

 

[Scotch Mist]

The thing is I do think he trafficked girls and that wealthy people sexually abused these girls. But the information so far doesn’t really show the extent of it. Which isn’t a surprise because people that powerful always cover their tracks. A lot of it focuses on Prince Andrew and I know some people think he’s being used as a scapegoat but by using that term it’s almost like minimising what he has done.
There was a new report today about a young model who was on JE’s airplane’s manifest- Ruslana Korshunova. I’ve always been a fan of her so maybe that’s why this article today caught my eye. She unfortunately later killed herself at the age of 20 and was involved in a self help cult. There had been talk that Epstein used girls from underprivileged backgrounds and foreign countries. So potentially Ruslana would have been the perfect victim for him and it could explain part of why she ended up going to this cult. Which makes me think how many girls are there who crossed paths with Epstein who didn’t get out the other end? Who took their own lives or have fallen on bad times?
I don’t know, I’m probably not explaining myself well and I think I’ve gone off tangent here!

The point I was trying to make is that we are still no nearer the truth regarding who Epstein was supplying 'services' to.

He was obviously up to something (including financial dodgy dealing) and probably supplying his 'friends' with young women on request. I'm certainly not denying that but I do think the conspiracy theories online have gone way overboard with this idea that all these wealthy elite people are part of a satanic club of pedalos feasting on adrenochrome.

I find it hard to believe that Stephen Hawking was up for an orgy on Epstein's Island. I think many wealthy people associated with Epstein but it doesn't necessarily prove that they were all taking advantage of young women. It seems very odd to me that nobody else has faced any public enquiry over this other than that arse Prince Andrew..

 

[Missmopps]

Crimes against money take priority over crimes against children, depressingly.

Probably much easier to gather evidence and prove fraud than historic abuse sadly. At least they have managed to get him on something.

 

[jenny265]

She really doesn't know when to shut up....
Lady (questionable) Victoria Hervey.....

She boils my piss . Why the media give this trumped up tart any air time is beyond me!

 

[Veronicaaa]

Gives me the ick to know that people are trying to track down the victims. It's the perpetrators who should be named.

 

[bottlewrapper]

It's not free speech that's the issue though - the victims are paid off, and in return sign an NDA so they voluntarily give up their right to speak about what happened to them. Who can blame them - if they don't take the money, what do they get? The opportunity to take the abuser to court, which may fail to get a conviction anyway, then a couple of press interviews, which forces them to forever be publicly identified and linked with their abuser? Who wouldn't take the money in that situation?

There was the documentary about Elite models, where one of the models says that she realised modelling was just a way for rich men to traffic underage girls around the world on photo shoots for unspecified clients. It was horrific, and the documentary skimmed over it, but when you think about it, why do models need to be 14, 15, 16 and taken out of school to be flown around the world? They aren't going to be any less beautiful at 18...but of course at that point they'd be adults so not as appealing to these vile men.

 

[Prince fan 1999]

Andrew has been arrested

 

[ellyjelly2]

What the fuck is wrong with her!!?

WTAF. She’s a prime example of everything that’s wrong with this. They all knew what was going on, a lot were involved and yet they thought it was all okay. They wanted to be in the inner circle. They are a bunch of c**ts. All of them deserve to be behind bars. I’d much rather be with the losers thanks.

 

[Scotch Mist]

I think Andrew is guilty, but has also been thrown to the wolves slightly by the rest of the Epstein associates, who probably share agents/publicists etc behind the scenes - like a row of dominoes, if one falls they all go down, so they have all gone to the mattresses. It just shows Andrew's stupidity.

I think it's interesting too that Diaz is the only one who has immediately issued a strong statement saying she never knew Epstein, met him, was in the same place as him etc. So I can believe her being mentioned was incidental, but as for the rest....they clearly do know him. Eugh.

Good for Diaz. I think she left Hollywood because she didn't like the corruption and sleaze.

I don't understand why Andrew is still the only person in the frame as a client of Epstein's either. They're still bleating on about him, while everyone else has escaped notice again. It's getting boring now.

Obviously Bill Clinton was just as bad as Andrew and we know he's a proven liar (I did not sleep with Ms Lewinsky ). Is he getting any grief?

 

[Em_gardener]

Full list of names so far View attachment 2668508View attachment 2668510

The names don't really mean anything out of context. Some of them are victims names and some are just mentioned in passing or in questions. There's too much for me to read the whole lot but it seems like Prince Andrew has come out worst in these documents and all in all there's not much new info there and there's nothing that could land anyone in prison. Bit of a disappointment overall.

 

[Miss Havisham]

Social media is now full of AI nonsense on the case. We want to know the facts, which is difficult enough with so many documents and redacted items. Now mixed in with genuine information - we have AI images of Hilary Clinton and Donald Trump, snuggled up on sofas together in their underwear.

Everything that is wrong with social media and AI. I can understand people getting frustrated with it all and switching off.

I am now fully reliant on news organisations to sift through it all, and be drip fed information, but I totally understand why so many are frustrated and distrustful of this process.

 

[Restless Native]

 

[Mollywobbles]

Richard Branson that's a new one isn't it?

Aside from the questionable antics of the men named it's obvious Epstein was a serial blackmailer and extortionist. Why else would you secretly record people if not to blackmail them?

Is there a connection between Richard Branson being named today and his public announcement he was giving a free holiday to a sub postmaster who lost thousands in the post office scandal?

 

[dressinggownofdoom]

Spoiler: Extremely upsetting description of a picture from the files

This is without a doubt some of the most disturbing material in the files. According to Reddit the child in the picture was 5 years old at the time. I am not a violent person but this has made me murderously angry.

 

[Yel]

When you have money and power you can 100% be in the wrong but still silence and intimidate.

It might catch up with some people, eventually, but most get away.

Free speach, free press and civil liberties seem to be chipped away every day.

 

[buttheyneverblindme8]

This is nonsense really. Sorry for being caught out is all that it's about. Monarchies put themselves in positions and think that they are better or more elevated than other people - it makes them think that they can get away with vile things (and it you want to elevate yourself as being above other people it is vile to be friends with someone like Epstein)

I agree. They “regret” their relationship with Epstein because it’s become public knowledge and is making them look bad. Mandelson, Andrew etc all carried on being friends with him AFTER his conviction, and most of the correspondence released has been AFTER he was released.

If you wish to support or befriend a paedophile, great - that’s your personal choice. But don’t pretend you regret the friendship just because you want to save face in everybody else’s eyes if/when this becomes public knowledge. At least own the friendship and denounce his actions that you already knew about!

 

[Eirawen]

Good for Diaz. I think she left Hollywood because she didn't like the corruption and sleaze.

I don't understand why Andrew is still the only person in the frame as a client of Epstein's either. They're still bleating on about him, while everyone else has escaped notice again. It's getting boring now.

Obviously Bill Clinton was just as bad as Andrew and we know he's a proven liar (I did not sleep with Ms Lewinsky ). Is he getting any grief?

I can't stand the stupid and arrogant Prince but no doubt he's being used to shield grubby people like Clinton and many others.

 

[kev1974]

As they are in alphabetical order, no 7 must be Biden

I figured that 7 was most likely Anthony Lynton Blair