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Lollylaylow

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And Mountbatten
Yes, But He like Andrew was a relative and could be argued against them knowing ( I know they knew but for the sake of those who have no idea) but Savile is a huge red flag against the innocence of the royals and government. No way they didn't know.

The Queen showed us her position when she let Andrew escort her to her seat at Philip's memorial. She could have chosen any one of her children, or grandchildren but chose him, so a big up yours to the British public.
 
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mochibean

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STEPHEN HAWKING?!
I know right! This one did shock me.

This whole case makes me feel sick. Especially seeing people joking about it on Twitter, these are abused children there's nothing funny about it. And I think people denying their fave celebrities involvement is deluded, rich people seem to have a habit of exploiting and abusing people doesn't shock me that it extends to children.

My friend showed me a video a while back and it's not one I'll ever watch again. It was a guy who'd been involved in trafficking children and talking about what these rich people would pay for, including children's body parts and severe torture. It is all incredibly heartbreaking for those involved in any case. I think all should be exposed, but we know that they have the power and money to keep so much of it under wraps.
 
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Miss Havisham

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I also don’t understand the content of most of the released files. Heavily redacted photographs that have no context. A huge amount of documentation that has no context. All mixed in with some genuinely concerning information.
The lack of context in much of the information - leaves it all wide open for speculation and conspiracy theories, which then throws shade on the genuine items of concern.

The Bill Gates asking for antibiotics story is now all over the internet. When you look at the actual documentation, there is no email from Gates asking for this, but an email compiled by Epstein, found in drafts (that was never sent) saying “you asked me for antibiotics”. It looks like he was setting him up for blackmail, which Epstein was clearly doing to many people.
If Gates has had sex with trafficked women, we would like to see him prosecuted - and perhaps any documentation could be released to the public as part of his trial.
Instead of this, we just have masses of confusing files.

The still of Andrew, is obviously from video footage (the video footage would explain what the hell has gone on). The still itself, is a confusing image that lacks context, so we now have people saying “is he doing CPR”?
My guess is a very young woman or teenage girl has passed out - maybe due to intoxication or being drugged. Do I know this though? No, but we would like to know what went on - as it looks concerning.

Why can’t the FBI use these files to investigate individuals, and then they become public during prosecution?
 
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Dotty Merton

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The thing about this that disgusted me was that Mandelson said, Xanax was no fun if you didn't have someone to use them on..... 'All very well but you need someone to use them on.' So, I think it fair to say Mandelson liked drugging his sexual conquests. Whether they were knowingly drugged or he drugged and raped them is yet to be proven I guess.

String him up.
 
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Eirawen

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Okay so there is no way at all that severely incapacitated wheelbound Hawking could actually physically participate in an orgy, surely? Watching maybe?
Wasn't there a story about 15 years ago that his daughter had made a complaint about his wife beating him, but he refused to press charges as apparently he enjoyed the beatings and rough treatment.
 
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maytoseptember

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Someone on X said this should be the scandal to end all scandals. In the past it would have brought down governments and royal families. Why are people so blasé now?

Is it because it’s taken so long to be released? Too much redacted info? Are we just numb to this stuff now?

I’ve been trying to keep up but it’s so difficult to sort out the facts from the conspiracy theories.
 
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JulesWake

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I'm shocked about the possibility of Tom Hanks - he always seemed liked one of the good guys?
Tom Hanks is one of the very worst offenders, according to many blogs on the web. Seems that many of those sites I came across are almost impossible to find now. Search engines have become useless as of late, or is it just me? Also look into Nicole Kidman's dad. From what I've read he was evil beyond belief.
These big name Hollywood types are not big stars by chance, they sold their souls long ago.
 
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MrsSlocombe

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Okay, so please don't slam me for voicing this. Andrew absolutely should be held accountable for the things that he has done, but it annoys me a bit when Virginia Guiffre's family makes statements in support of whatever is happening yet again. Virginia very clearly stated in her book that her father sexually abused and raped her and then he trafficked her to one of his friends. Is the father now doing jail time? Is the father's friend? I think that every single person who used and abused her should be held accountable for their actions - including Andrew - however he is also bit of an easy target whereas a lot of other people will get away with it.
 
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DreamTeam84

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I'm shocked about the possibility of Tom Hanks - he always seemed liked one of the good guys?

there have been rumours about him for a few years. I think the Wayfair thing started it.

there have been rumours about him for a few years. I think the Wayfair thing started it.
Also look at his face when Ricky G made the joke in the video a page or two back.
 
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HowVery

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Just... how is all of this not headline news in every paper, every TV news broadcast all over the world. HOW?
 
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Tangerine Cat

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His ex-wife spoke about it in a podcast the other day, albeit briefly and vaguely - saying it was a really painful time and that she's so glad she's out of it. It was perhaps looked into during their divorce negotiations and perhaps some sort of NDAs signed on the back of that? I guess she's not going to press charges or anything, anyway.
Melinda Gates is the only one with integrity prepared to call Epstein out at the moment. She hated him when she met him and said he was ‘evil personified’. Since he supposedly charmed everyone I wonder what she saw?
 
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MrsSlocombe

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Problem I think is, some of these involved are no doubt in very high positions. I imagine court, police, figures would would have shut this down. Also, I feel like people focus on Prince Andrew waaaay too much when there’s other people who had much more power being a part of this or actually unscathed by the press. Bill Clinton for example, Trump.
I'm absolutely not excusing what Prince Andrew did - I think that he's vile, but I also think that he was the target who got thrown under the bus because it was easier to do it with him rather than some of the other more high profile 'important' people. They should all face punishment for the crimes that they committed.
 
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GingerJones50

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He doesn't even say he or she.....

But I'm guessing it wasn't Liz, Theresa or Margaret..... but then again, nothing surprises me nowadays....
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Robert Maxwell was a Labour MP and supporter and with Mandelson’s involvement I get the feeling it’s a Labour PM. Rishi is too young, I can’t really see it being Cameron because he’s never really been connected to sexual sleaze that didn’t involve pigs and seemed very uninterested in American high society. The way Mandelson and Epstein discussed Brown really rules him out. John Major was too intelligent about his cheating and knew how to do it in a way which kept it very secret and secure, I can’t see him being rash enough to have a threesome with two dodgy figures. That leaves Blair and Johnson. Johnson is a manwhore but didn’t seem to move in those circles.

Remembering Blair and the Wendy Deng scandal, it just feels more like his type of thing, plus he was closely linked to Mandelson and Labour, who Maxwell and Epstein seem to have been more closely linked to.

I reckon it was Blair.
 
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thegirlscout

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Someone on X said this should be the scandal to end all scandals. In the past it would have brought down governments and royal families. Why are people so blasé now?

Is it because it’s taken so long to be released? Too much redacted info? Are we just numb to this stuff now?

I’ve been trying to keep up but it’s so difficult to sort out the facts from the conspiracy theories.
I think there are several reasons. He went to prison in 2008 for only 13 months for procuring a minor for prostitution and soliciting a prostitute because he secured a cushy plea deal and was imprisoned again in 2019 whilst awaiting trial before he died. So this has been in the public consciousness for 18 years already. And he’s been dead for six years in which the powers that be (whoever they are) have been drip feeding information with a lot of it fragmented due to NDAs, redactions, sealed testimonies and unfortunately dead witnesses. It’s hard for the average person with everything going on in their life to stay engaged with a scandal that’s been ongoing for 18 years where a lot of the evidence is foggy and the people involved haven’t faced real consequences. I mean we know nothing is going to come from this, the people in power are always getting away with the most egregious things so it’s almost as if the general public expects impunity.
 
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PeteM

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Re Hawking, as fetishes go, they don't get more specific than that. I'm fucking howling at it. I can imagine him being brought undressed midgets who are shit at mathematics and being livid about it.
 
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