Sali Hughes has spent this week traveling up the country speaking to people about her tattle bullying hell - think it’s for a radio 4 documentary. Sali’s tweeted Jack about tattle before.
I really, really hope this is true if she has done this I can’t wait for that documentary! We have receipts on the lot of them, anyone coming over is welcome and will see what utter bullshit they are all pedalling!
There is a reason that none of them directly mention tattle, because they don’t want people to read here. If Jack was that confident we were lying and bullying she would mention tattle and let her minions come over here to sort us out and correct us. She won‘t nor will any other influencer written about here, the stock phrase is they don’t want to give us the attention. If I really believed a site was full of bullying witches I would tell my fans, I would say go and look at the utter hideous crap that they are writing about me......not one of them does this.
I hope that documentary is followed up by a phone in, I have questions to ask.
Where is the Child protection? Child privacy? Child’s rights?
Is the constant commercialism of motherhood appropriate? (Selling a load of crap constantly to mainly women, to sell them the idea of keeping up with their favourite influence is horrific.)
Is the constant use of filters whilst selling body positivity appropriate?
Where are the questions or discussions that disagree with any post?
Why is it ok to turn thousands of fans on one follower who asks a question?
Where is the protection of finances when influencers ask for donations of goods or money to causes? (Ptwm, fundraising, patreon etc)
Where is the MlM element of Insta exposed?
Why is it ok to constantly lie about products you use, experiences you have, emotions you feel...to present utter nonsense to people?
Why did it take us to make them put #ad in their ads and still they don’t/won’t do?
How has it become ok to rip out a kitchen, bathroom, sofa etc etc that is totally fine and functional to accept one that is newer, so it can be sold to followers? What is the environmental impact of this?
Why is it ok to encourage people to stock pile cleaning chemicals?
Why is it ok to tweet the most horrendous racist an ableist abuse but then bring in management to cover it up and not apologise? *Edited to add, Jack hasn’t done all these things, it’s a general selection of influencers behaviour!
Is this really the society that we want to create? A nation of people who get dopamine hits from likes for buying items they don’t need, with money they don’t have to impress people they don’t know.
I love Radio 4, I will phone in and I really hope they go deeper than the usual simplistic crap that we are all ugly trolls with unfulfilling Lives. I won’t be anonymous they can have my name...bring it bloody on Sally. I am ready and truly can’t wait!
Just read @GrunkaLunka 's great post. There's only one line I'd like to comment on.
I haven't ever contacted Jack outside of Tattle (I did reply to her when she invaded our platform). I haven't contacted her sponsors, her production company, or her coworkers. I haven't tracked her house, or been to any of her public events. I have not joked I would follow her to A&E.
I know, Grunka, you haven't done these things, and that's obviously where you've drawn the line. However, it is not wrong of anyone to engage with her on SM in a normal way (not bullying of course), unless you are an active Tattler, in which case it goes against the rules. It's also not wrong to contact the production company or tweet at the BBC to state that you didn't enjoy a programme she was on. Contacting her co-workers would def be weird, but if by 'contacting her co-workers' she means tweeting at Matt "I love your forearms", ahem, well that's my right. I tracked down her house and I'm not ashamed to say this. It was easy to do because she had put a ton of info out there. It would be wrong of me to share her full address here and say let's all go throw rinsed beans at her non-bungalow. No one has done that. People are also entitled to go to her public events - even if they don't like her. Finally, joking about following her to A&E is just that, a joke. Some tattlers made that joke. Some people may find it funny, others do not, but it was very clearly meant as a joke. No one in their right mind would have read those posts in context and thought 'oh, those crazy Hausfrauen are going to go to A&E to get their hands on that Tiggy&Bo bag".
I'm mainly writing this to make sure that we don't get sucked into her warped way of deciding what is bullying and what isn't. None of the things you listed above are actually bullying.
I've gotta say that "We’d rather go before the judge than eat that chilli corned beef sludge" and "The Judge can send us down to hell, but we won't eat that béchamel" are both iconic rhyming thread titles though.
Just made That Man’s crispy golden chicken from his new book. Chicken breasts (not dicks) coated in seasoned flour and lightly fried with tiny pieces of bacon and breadcrumbs. Avocado mashed with lemon juice and yogurt on the side, all drizzled with hot sauce. The tasty:faff ratio was good.
One of the most useful things I learned during lockdown was from watching That Man - he showed how to spatchcock a chicken (he then roasted it with harissa paste, peppers and onions - its an excellent recipe), it cooks in no time.
Had chicken curry for my tea, made from leftover spatchcocked chicken.
I really, really hope this is true if she has done this I can’t wait for that documentary! We have receipts on the lot of them, anyone coming over is welcome and will see what utter bullshit they are all pedalling!
There is a reason that none of them directly mention tattle, because they don’t want people to read here. If Jack was that confident we were lying and bullying she would mention tattle and let her minions come over here to sort us out and correct us. She won‘t nor will any other influencer written about here, the stock phrase is they don’t want to give us the attention. If I really believed a site was full of bullying witches I would tell my fans, I would say go and look at the utter hideous crap that they are writing about me......not one of them does this.
I hope that documentary is followed up by a phone in, I have questions to ask.
Where is the Child protection? Child privacy? Child’s rights?
Is the constant commercialism of motherhood appropriate? (Selling a load of crap constantly to mainly women, to sell them the idea of keeping up with their favourite influence is horrific.)
Is the constant use of filters whilst selling body positivity appropriate?
Where are the questions or discussions that disagree with any post?
Why is it ok to turn thousands of fans on one follower who asks a question?
Where is the protection of finances when influencers ask for donations of goods or money to causes? (Ptwm, fundraising, patreon etc)
Where is the MlM element of Insta exposed?
Why is it ok to constantly lie about products you use, experiences you have, emotions you feel...to present utter nonsense to people?
Why did it take us to make them put #ad in their ads and still they don’t/won’t do?
How has it become ok to rip out a kitchen, bathroom, sofa etc etc that is totally fine and functional to accept one that is newer, so it can be sold to followers? What is the environmental impact of this?
Why is it ok to encourage people to stock pile cleaning chemicals?
Why is it ok to tweet the most horrendous racist an ableist abuse but then bring in management to cover it up and not apologise? *Edited to add, Jack hasn’t done all these things, it’s a general selection of influencers behaviour!
Is this really the society that we want to create? A nation of people who get dopamine hits from likes for buying items they don’t need, with money they don’t have to impress people they don’t know.
I love Radio 4, I will phone in and I really hope they go deeper than the usual simplistic crap that we are all ugly trolls with unfulfilling Lives. I won’t be anonymous they can have my name...bring it bloody on Sally. I am ready and truly can’t wait!
Im totally glad you said this, I’ve had this diatribe in my Tattle box since this morning, ran it past my copy editor she didn’t correct it cos she’s a lazy cow, but anyway along a similar theme. Sorry it’s so long and no comedy.
I’ve been in and read the SH wiki and @Brian Butterfield you’re spot on, it really is a thing of beauty. So well put together, clear and open. We need one just like that for JM and it needs linking to the initial main recap...I know JM has a wiki here but it’s just a list of her embarrassing moments. I’d offer to do it but I couldn’t make it that decent...I waffle too much!
So onto waffling, after reading SH Wiki it occurred to me, more than before, how JM is playing out in an identical manner to SH. Then it occurred to me that they are stable mates at the Guardian. What infuriates me most is that these two (along with others like mother Pukka) have the national press and magazines at their disposal to write/have articles written about them giving them praise for all their great work (), promoting their (whatever they want to flog) and allowing them to tell their tale about their lives and the problems they have with us trolls. It makes me fcuking livid that there are all these one-sided articles out there holding these people up and trashing us. That’s not journalism, that’s opinion but not written as an opinion piece it’s written as the whole story! Where are the journalists asking for this side of the story? Investigating why this site even exists, delving and fact checking...where the Fuck are they? How are these people being allowed to control the dialogue so exclusively?
I cancelled my subscription to the Guardian today (well the money I give them to keep afloat) because despite the fact it was a left wing Manchester born paper, I can not bear that my £ is paying for them to not only employ but promote these folk. They can Fuck off, I’d rather give my money to Murdoch than these middle class London centric huns, at least I know he’s a cunt and people can say it and not be threatened with legal action.
Someone said earlier that SH was doing a programme for R4 going round the country talking about trolls, this is another area where these folk get to sound off without scrutiny, the BBC, and I’m paying for that with my TV licence! Jesus, I’m paying them!
Well if that’s the case then jack/Sali I’m your boss and Tattle is basically your monthly/quarterly/ annual review, you don’t get to take my money and spout your crap onto my newspaper or TV with impunity, you get critiqued fuxkers! Also isn’t Tattle just like goggle box? Now fuck off!
It’s a bit rich saying we’re the bullies. We spend half of every thread comforting people that she’s triggered & several members on this thread have actually been piled on by her followers (and she didn’t try to stop them).
She wasn’t thinking about Caroline Flack when she was orchaestrating pile ons on Jamie Oliver, David Walliams, the LNER Twitter feed or any of the people who (politely) disagreed with her. She’s a complete and utter hypocrite who has no regard for the mental health of anyone else.
Most of the people on this thread are kind, considerate and sensitive. The majority of them still care about Jack’s welfare despite her behaviour (which at times has been frankly abhorrent). She knows that many of us are massive softies that would hate to be seen as bullies. She wants us to feel scared and intimidated. She wants to covertly bully us into submission.
So I was curious if we are being unfair in making fun of her cooking videos because maybe it’s actually difficult so today I just tried making my own (I’m making an entire mezze feast for my boyfriend’s family tonight). Bearing in mind I have never used IMovie before but a few things : it is REALLY easy to figure out how to cut down the length of the clips and muting the audio is also incredibly simple. Sorry for the music - turns out Jack literally just chose the stock music that comes with iMovie
Jack is obviously not an experienced cat owner. Those of us who are, recognised that this was a very sick kitten, even aside of her disability. The poor thing appeared malnourished and was not thriving at all - this got visibly worse over a very short time. The kitten also appeared to be much younger than the stated age. She was incredibly weak and tiny, had likely left her mother too soon, but Jack left her alone in a cold bathroom overnight.
I commented previously on this - my mum was the local cat rescuer, and we had a tiny kitten once that had left her mother too young and was weak and frightened. I was a teenager at the time and had this tiny kitten in my room at night so she could snuggle up with me and wouldn’t be alone. She used to sleep across my neck. We had to hand feed her for a while. (It was a success story I’m glad to say - she never grew very big, but she grew up to be healthy, lively and had a long life - 19 years).
We urged Jack over and over again to seek urgent veterinary advice, but she delayed this - and then ignored the vet’s advice.
I’m sure she didn’t *deliberately* harm the poor thing, but she didn’t have the expertise to deal with its very complex needs, and her constant thrusting it in the air, forcing it to walk on its deformed feet, and chucking it over her shoulder for selfies etc. did not demonstrate to me that she had the poor thing’s best interests at heart.
She seemed to be more concerned about getting a slot on Supervet. Whereas attention from any vet, a lot sooner (and listening to the vet’s advice), would have been the better thing to do.
Some free advice for your YouTube channel because it is a total unprofessional mess and is doing you absolutely no favours professionally or personally. You are killing your career with your latest antics.
If you really want to utilize and grow it, you need to upload content regularly. This goes for all socials platforms, plan a weekly schedule and stick to it. Look at your insights and work out your peak times to post, instead of just throwing shit out there and hoping for the best. Know your demographic so you're sharing content that people will actually want to watch. Organize all your videos into playlists. Establish a clear identity and what your channel is about. Engage with your viewers, answer comments, use the Community tab to share photos, polls and maybe videos from other channels you like. BE AUTHENTIC, PROFESSIONAL & POLITE AT ALL TIMES.
I would highly recommend using Tube Buddy, it gives you a simple checklist of best practices you need to do on each video to maximize your reach and engagement (end cards, info cards, subscribe button etc). Get a banner and link all your other socials to it and your website (it is SO easy).
I have no idea why I'm telling you this as I find you totally repellent but as I run socials as part of my job it is killing me I can't get my mitts on yours and tidy it all up.
Thank you guys, but I feel like as it's my personal opinion it shouldn't be used to represent the feelings of the cabal as a whole. I cannot speak for everyone.
Happy to compile a kind of list of things we have found issue with over the threads and make a more generic post? I could go back through the threads and use everyone's posts. Will have to be later in the week though, I am BUSY!
It was an incredible post, dear @GrunkaLunka and it certainly made me feel better about why I’m here. I’m happy to link it to the next recap / Jack for Dummies info, as even though it was written by you, I think it’s largely objective in its feeling. Either way, happy to link this or a more generic list when you are not BUSY.
Now this is why YOU are the original space and time master of the the universe. You are here, you are then. You. Are. All. Time.
Loved your work as well @heretoreaditall2019, as always you sum everything up with a perfect analytical eye.
PS - I made lasagne for dinner last night and the white sauce was thick and bountiful.
The thing about jack and why she attracts criticism (I don’t look at any of the other threads here, have only ever posted on Jack) is due to her being disingenuous, if not outright dishonest.
A recent example-she did a poll when her Twitter was open asking people what worries them about kids returning to school-included among the options was the cost of school uniform. Someone replied ‘all’ the things listed worried them & she responded ‘same’.
That’s an example of how she insinuates she is poor when she clearly isn’t any longer-at least not at the level of poverty where school uniform would be a concern. She tweeted a few days later about a TV she had bought for her son. How can the cost of school uniform be a genuine concern if you can afford that then?? Kindly people on Twitter take her at face value, assume she is still struggling financially and therefore are more likely to contribute to her tip jar or Patreon or Paypal.
It’s not an outright ‘lie’ & it’s up to the individual who they choose to give money to, but it’s the lack of transparency that winds people up because she then documents all her spending over on Instagram (often inadvertently by photographing her possessions which are clearly valuable).
I don’t see other cooks doing this. They sell books, have websites with recipes on-just as she has-but it’s misleading to claim she does this for free because there are adverts which make her more money on there.
I don’t think the responsibility for Jack having a thread on here lies with anyone but her. If you’re rude to people, bully other writers & chefs, contradict yourself constantly & appear to be taking advantage of people by implying you’re in need of financial help so publicly, obviously others may see this & criticise.
The piss taking is tongue in cheek, and I don’t feel it’s crossed a line into malicious.
People become resentful when they think someone is taking advantage. As stated previously, I bought her veganish book & then she basically threw her idea in the bin & went back to meat & dairy-fine, but I think it’s fair enough to feel that you were misled by someone jumping on what they saw as a ‘trend’, making money, and then using excuses which harm the movement many people really work hard to progress.
It was jack’s tendency to create a pile on & play the victim even if you ask her a straight question that also sends many here. I hope those on twitter look for themselves here-if jack truly thought these threads were unjustified & dishonest, why not put them on Twitter (or even mention tattle publicly?) Then people can read & decide for themselves.
Ps the videos? That’s ten minutes I’ll never get back,
I am making this list while it's quiet. To remind myself why I am here. I'm not a bully, I haven't ever contacted Jack outside of Tattle (I did reply to her when she invaded our platform). I haven't contacted her sponsors, her production company, or her coworkers. I haven't tracked her house, or been to any of her public events. I have not joked I would follow her to A&E.
I am just someone who got fed up with the inconsistencies, the rage filled nasty behaviour and the way she dropped causes, people and ideas like hot potatoes.
The majority here are the same. There are some who have gone too far, eg. taken themselves to her social media. Those people are breaking the rules of Tattle and do not speak for us. Discussing content she has made public isn't an offence, in fact it is how she makes her money. She wants followers, views, engagement, etc. but wants to control the narrative to be purely positive. It doesn't work like that.
Her use of Caroline Flack's name is absolutely unforgiveable. Keeping receipts of what she's put on her social media is nothing like what Caroline went through and it's just another example of her using triggering content to manipulate the narrative.
A long arsed list containing the points which brought me to and kept me on Tattle. I know I will have missed things....
* Jamie Oliver was subjected to a vile set of tweets in which Jack instigated a pile on... because he got a new job that she thought she would be better at. The job she subsequently got as a result of hers and her followers manipulative behaviour was a fucking car crash. See also, This Morning appearance featuring Chicken(less) Lingreenie (raw) and Hellmann's how to make a sandwich(?).
* David Walliams was subjected to a set of offensive and poisonous tweets because her son was gifted one of his books (and she was pissed off about it). Within these tweets she insinuated he was racist, sexist, a drug user and many other unpleasant and seemingly unfounded slurs. She also appealed for people to DM her with gossip about him and was requesting information about a deleted chapter from his autobiography. She told her followers that she was going to dissect each of his books and that she wasn't going anywhere. After getting furious over a white character she believed was black, she failed to complete the first book.
*Made a monetised Black Lives Matter video, which was nothing more than a money making scam. Said she would hand over her platform to black voices, but this did not happen. Also claimed she would write a book, lifting voices of black people. The book has not been mentioned since the subject stopped trending on Twitter.
*Used her social media to denigrate Louisa. She had the TV on, she was using the WiFi, she left, she's not covering her half of the rent, she left. There was also the time Louisa had gone out for a meal and so Jack immediately posted an old picture of when they had gone for a meal, like the ghost of Christmas past, trying to ruin Louisa's afternoon. This one makes me feel sick to write. Her treatment of Louisa on social media has always had a bad vibe to it, like abuse and manipulation. It can sometimes take years to realise how badly the other person treats you, and I just hope that she's had lots of lovely friends and family around her during all of this.
*Sneered at the lunches being sent to children on free school meals during lockdown, suggesting that sandwiches and jacket potatoes were bad lunches(?) Shaming the parents of free school meal children, ridiculing the meals they were feeding their kids, saying they weren't feeding their kids enough. Offering no useful advice to the parents of these kids, she stopped mentioning the subject as soon as it stopped trending on Twitter.
*Tweeted multiple triggering subjects including eating disorders, self harm, suicide, sexual abuse, animal abuse with no spoilers and in a way which seemed intentionally inflammatory. Also tweeted images of injury with no trigger warning (foot, eye) and photos of large amounts of medication during a time in which she had stated she was mentally very unwell and had mentioned (triggering content) suicidal ideation
*Tweeted multiple heavily filtered/edited photographs of herself with no clarification that they were edited to make her body appear differently. When asked about this, she was seen to deny editing.
*The kitten saga. Adopted a very unwell and disabled kitten, without seeking proper veterinary advice. Forced the kitten up onto it's deformed front legs the first night she got it at around 1am, when it was surely tired and disoriented. Claimed she was able to care for and pay for the kitten's treatment yet did not take the kitten to the vet for days even though it was clearly very unwell. Used the kitten as a photo prop, putting it on her shoulder, in her pocket, etc. Eventually took the kitten to the vet where she was told it was too poorly and needed to be put to sleep. Didn't take the vets advice and took the kitten home where she tweeted about how she was shocked at the amount of money a trip to the vet cost and said she might look into donations to help her pay for it. Also seemed to be attempting to make inroads with Supervet. Allowed the kitten to die at home, possibly in a lot of pain.
*The use of a tip jar (regularly shaken) to beg and plead poverty reminds me of when con artists scam old nanas out of their life savings. She pleads poverty and claims she's doing so much for free but if you go on her website, it's so full of ads it is almost impossible to navigate. She shook her tin at the beginning of lockdown, prompting many followers to donate even though they were saying they were poor themselves. She then went and purchased even more high end luxury items for her home (which is already full of them). Con artist.
*Uses her child on her social media, often revealing more info than seems comfortable let alone necessary. Embroiling him in her dramatic and chaotic online life.
* The continued misrepresentation of AA and what life looks like when you work your steps and are honest with your sponsor. I know this is a sticky one, and the less said the better really. Her behaviour is so at odds with the steps, I will leave it there.
Hopefully that will be helpful to people who come here wondering why a small (there's hundreds of us on this thread) group of obsessed bullies have been making someone's life absolute hell.
Also to add something else:
Laws and regulations just haven’t caught up with the social media explosion yet and so all these influencers get away with everything they want.
Using and abusing children and animals
Not declaring ads
Straight up lying
Begging for money
Giving misleading and false info
Etc etc
They should not be allowed to blatantly cheat and lie and abuse without any oversight. At the moment, we are the only oversight.
@blurstoftimes I’ll be honest the beans looked nice but could you not have videoed you’re child from behind and then some ducks? That’s really what the viewers want
That forum on the Google search link seems to be a gathering of awful right wingers though, who aren't intelligent enough to realise that she's actually as centrist as they come and grifting money from her followers just like their hero, Stephen Yaxley-Lennon/Tommy Robinson. They just see the non-binary phase and go off on one ("traaaaaasers on a bird?!").
The vibe I get from this thread, for the main part, is generally left wing people being furious that she's hoodwinked fellow supposed-lefties into thinking that she speaks a word of truth when instead she's a well-off woman putting on her own show pretending to be Little Dorrit or something.
there’s so much info on her you’d really have to reduce the category down to - The lives and times of Jack Monroe between Feb 2020 - March 2020 or the lives and times of Jack Monroe 3/9/2020 between 11am - 7pm
she didn’t correct it cos she’s a lazy cow, but anyway along a similar theme. Sorry it’s so long and no comedy.
), promoting their (whatever they want to flog) and allowing them to tell their tale about their lives and the problems they have with us trolls. It makes me fcuking livid that there are all these one-sided articles out there holding these people up and trashing us. That’s not journalism, that’s opinion but not written as an opinion piece it’s written as the whole story! Where are the journalists asking for this side of the story? Investigating why this site even exists, delving and fact checking...where the Fuck are they? How are these people being allowed to control the dialogue so exclusively?
