Jack Monroe #129 Jack, could we have a quick chat?

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She stole a scalpel?

What happens there is that the teacher absolutely freaks out. They count and recount. They go through the class list. They check the locked risk items procedure. They try to stop their heart bursting from terror and panic. And then they have to tell their line manager/SLT, knowing that this is very possibly the end of their teaching career. Every child who is known to be a little explosive is looked at in terms of whether they had access to them. The teacher probably goes home and doesn't sleep, tortured by what is going to happen to them and what might happen to another child or a member of staff. Everybody's on edge, any disagreements on site are jumped on because nobody knows if they're going to end up with a kid or colleague having her face or neck slashed or stabbed in the heart/leg/brachial artery; a scalpel is easily long enough to murder somebody - and without realising the seriousness of the wound until they collapse and die. Whoever is responsible for detention or isolation has to consider the possibility that one of the children is carrying an absolutely brutal weapon. Because there is one out there somewhere. The teacher has to contact their union to say what has happened and the union will say that if something happens, it's very possible that this will end up in their dismissal unless they can prove it wasn't their fault - which is very hard to do if they were not counted out and counted back in. The Art/Science/DT teacher probably lost their entire career for it, as no other school will take them on after that - and what teacher can walk into a job outside a classroom after 30 years, saying 'I was fired for failing safeguarding procedures'?


I've had colleagues - friends - fired for exactly this. In both cases, the kids concerned were permanently expelled and didn't get to take any exams. An innocent child on the receiving end of one also left school and didn't take any exams because of the danger/trauma/aftermath of it happening. Every single child ever found with a weapon on site in my career has been removed permanently from school. Even back in the dark ages when I was a teenager and got stabbed in school, the girl who did it was permanently removed.


No wonder they bleeping banned her from the site (they didn't expel her, or she wouldn't have been able to go back in and take any exams). She should count herself lucky that they let her do that - they could have called the police, who would have taken it utterly seriously as she was in possession of an offensive weapon and even all these years later, it would still result in permanent removal from school without the slightest bit of recourse to the Governors. As it was, they probably said that in view of the risk carrying a weapon involves, nobody was prepared to teach her and it was best that she stay at home. Rather than getting the girl from the Good Family a criminal record. Shame, really - this meant that somebody not psychologically equipped to take fire service emergency calls was employed when they should have instantly failed all checks.



When her child goes to secondary school next year, will she be happy to think that he could be in a class where somebody has stolen a scalpel? 'Oh, they must have been dared to do it, just a joke, or it must be for SH, nothing to worry about'? That kid sitting behind him, the one that knows all about his mother and for various reasons, such as horrible parents, trauma, MH issues, doesn't like SB? He's sitting behind SB thinking how much he dislikes the poor kid. Guess what, Jack - he's stolen a scalpel. It's in his pocket and there's only a short time until the end of class when they're all crammed up against one another in the corridor. Still OK with it?




She is a bleep now and, it would appear if this story is true, an absolute danger to everybody else in school as a kid. But hey, funny story, right?
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Are scalpels even common in schools in your experience?

I did biology through to A Level and never saw one, our coursework was on potatoes and osmosis! The closest we got to organs was a teacher inflating a pair of lungs with a straw. She got them from the butchers (we asked / were horrified) so a potential new recipe for Jack
 
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She always goes on about her lack of grades, but I know plenty of people who have gone back to study as adults. One never even did exams the first time around, and went on to do a PhD in his late 30s. There's plenty of study opportunities out there if you want to really go for it. I've got an entirely useless degree, there's nothing but my own fear and nonsense stopping me going back and doing something more useful. Not that she's at all suitable for teaching, especially in a PRU!
But what is she suitable for???🤔 I for one am unable to think of a single job she IS suitable for, other than twatting about on twitter all day, and she’s not brilliant at that.
 
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I’m supposed to be marking essays but the more I think about this scalpel thing it makes me wonder if it happened to one of the foster kids not her. I have no evidence for this apart from the origin of the story being from a massive liar, this part of the story would surely be mentioned one of the 50000 times her GCSEs came up. She might say she is protecting the identity of the actual scalpel thief?

Ditto everything @TheDragonWithAFlagon says about procedure. Sorry all those things have happened to you Dragon. I want to say that I wish Jack could read what you have put so well, but I don’t think it would make a blind bit of difference if she did.

I reckon it's true(ish). Because she's bragged about carrying a knife as an adult. Add in the gleeful bragging about violence towards her brother and random men and that leads me to conclude that she did steal something to be used as a weapon.

BTW, Mr D
is covered in scars from SH. He hasn't spunked hundreds on tattoos to cover them up. And I actually deal with kids who SH at work. They don't carry weapons or steal weapons for a dare - I ask them if they will show me what they used so I know how to look after them/their injuries and 9/10 times, they do. Everything I have to deal with in that respect, I carry that knowledge home with me. I remember every child and every intentional injury I have recorded. I've had them throw themselves at me for comfort and sob until it feels that they have torn themselves inside out and I've seen parts of the body I shouldn't have to see because I've needed to give first aid. And I've searched the premises for them when they've disappeared, dreading what I might find, just as I've feared what I might find when I put my key in the front door when Mr D hasn't been doing so well or what I might wake up to if I go to sleep. I don't tell people where my knowledge of physiology and first aid comes from - but it's come from actual experience, one way or another.
 
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Fine to ask, but it's honestly hard to remember concrete thought processes from back then. I used to watch a lot of soaps as a teen and also generally had an overactive imagination so I felt things so deeply, I sort of embodied whatever story I wanted to spin/narrative I wanted to tell. Sometimes being caught in an outright lie was a shock to the system but mostly I'd just deflect or double down. I still do it sometimes, where I retell a lie that I've told myself/others for years and only realise later that it was constructed/not the truth. I think the important thing was that a lot of my lies were always based in half-truths which is why I wonder if monroe bases some of their lies off of things happening to kids their parents fostered (like maybe a foster was expelled). Also, tons and tons of therapy went into this, but honestly, I had SO much trouble locating good ones because so many did not want to deal with an outright lying patient/didn't know how to handle it. And it took me realising I didn't remember the truth about anything in my life to want to figure out what was wrong. I am sure there are people who never come to that realisation because it involves self-awareness on the scale they literally may be incapable of.

Sorry for the long response!
Brilliant, interesting and candid description. It sounds like you had a hard time getting to the other side, well done and thanks for sharing it.

The nature of memory is fascinating, the simple fact is that a lot of our memories are fabrications, naturally remembered from a very egocentric position and often, and quite innocently, how we may have wished for them to have happened - certainly in the retelling at least. Speaking as someone with zero education in the field of psychology, what connection that has to your own experience of retelling old lies, how we by and large know when we're outright lying vs merely (mis)recounting a story which someone else may have seen differently, and at which point innocent exaggeration (for want of a better term) turns into calculated fabrication would be a very interesting read.

Cheers again, all the best!
 
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The teachers are really cross with Jack today. I would do a teacher look on her if she was here.

Solidarity for everyone no longer in teaching, it’s a really hard, mostly thankless job. I wouldn’t be doing it any more either if I hadn’t sold my socialist soul for a job in the Middle East and school with free places for my kids. On my first day they gave me a photocopy card and I asked how many I could do and they just looked at me blankly and said to make as many copies as you need for your lessons! Imagine!
 
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Are we sure the collab is with Linda McCartney and not simply Linda who owns "Mi Linda's Baps" on the High Street?
 
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Are scalpels even common in schools in your experience?

I did biology through to A Level and never saw one, our coursework was on potatoes and osmosis! The closest we got to organs was a teacher inflating a pair of lungs with a straw. She got them from the butchers (we asked / were horrified) so a potential new recipe for Jack
Occasionally in Art, occasionally in DT, occasionally in Biology, as they are so bleeping dangerous - it's the 'They've behaved well all year and I think we can bring them out now', usually with at least one other person in the lesson and you hover over them, watching like a hawk every second - if there isn't at least a tech or other person who can be there, it doesn't go ahead, and if the class dynamic is uncharacteristically 'off', it doesn't go ahead.
 
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Well I think after her middle of the night dramas it’s fair to say that the ‘housemate’ is definitely not there at the moment. If any of her friends saw any of that surely they will be making an intervention to stop her going back. #savethebrexittinthief

Oooh look I did a hashtag. Am I a founder too now?
 
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Sure, sure. I imagine it was absolutely the policy of schools in Southend to leave up to the child who had been expelled the job of telling a parent that their child had been expelled. There are absolutely no holes in this story. None at all.
I usually just lurk here because if I get involved in another thread, I’ll probably have to give up working to keep up but I had to comment on this. Not a chance in hell would a school expel a child without parental involvement!!! They don’t just drag the child into the head’s office and kick them out. It has to go through the local authority and it’s usually after a build up of incidents and a number of fixed term exclusions first. She would also have been allowed back in to take the exams. The woman is deranged. What a ridiculous thing to lie about. It’s not that far back that it won’t still be easy to fact check.
 
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The teachers are really cross with Jack today. I would do a teacher look on her if she was here.

Solidarity for everyone no longer in teaching, it’s a really hard, mostly thankless job. I wouldn’t be doing it any more either if I hadn’t sold my socialist soul for a job in the Middle East and school with free places for my kids. On my first day they gave me a photocopy card and I asked how many I could do and they just looked at me blankly and said to make as many copies as you need for your lessons! Imagine!
Someone I used to work with did the same, her story was of discussing a worksheet with patterns rather than colour to distinguish so it would work printed in B&W and getting a bemused “Why don’t you just print it in colour?” A different world!
 
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The teachers are really cross with Jack today. I would do a teacher look on her if she was here.

Solidarity for everyone no longer in teaching, it’s a really hard, mostly thankless job. I wouldn’t be doing it any more either if I hadn’t sold my socialist soul for a job in the Middle East and school with free places for my kids. On my first day they gave me a photocopy card and I asked how many I could do and they just looked at me blankly and said to make as many copies as you need for your lessons! Imagine!
Thank goodness I don’t have to pretend to talk to the PE* teachers anymore in the photocopying room so I could sly their code.

*they did minimal photocopying so it was easy to hide I was using their code instead of mine all only some of the time.
 
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when she says she thinks about reaching out to those meanie journalists what exactly does she intend to say? a letter saying 'I told you so'?! her life is just a succession of Pretty Woman moments
Oh lord can you imagine?
Trying to remind a group of journalists of a dinner party donkey's years ago when a socially awkward smol pixie inarticulately and self consciously rolled out sub teen theories on, like, Nazis and how bad they were, and like, they are still around you know. I expect they kindly listened for a little while trying to tease out any logic or coherence before giving up and turning to the person on their other side.

It's like her burning indignance over Edwina Currie walking all over her - and Jack's stinging rebuke - days later 😂
 
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Brilliant, interesting and candid description. It sounds like you had a hard time getting to the other side, well done and thanks for sharing it.

The nature of memory is fascinating, the simple fact is that a lot of our memories are fabrications, naturally remembered from a very egocentric position and often, and quite innocently, how we may have wished for them to have happened - certainly in the retelling at least. Speaking as someone with zero education in the field of psychology, what connection that has to your own experience of retelling old lies, how we by and large know when we're outright lying vs merely (mis)recounting a story which someone else may have seen differently, and at which point innocent exaggeration (for want of a better term) turns into calculated fabrication would be a very interesting read.

Cheers again, all the best!
I vaguely remember listening to a radio programme once that talked about how memories we retell often change more than those we don't. Every time you talk about a memory you then remember your telling of the memory on top of the actual memory. Given how often she regurgitates her origin stories and hilarious anecdotes, it's no surprise her entire past has become entirely fictional by now.
 
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Also, her comment about wanting to work in a PRU?? She wouldn’t last 2 days in a PRU. She’s far too selfish and self-involved to be able to put the emotional needs of others ahead of her own.
 
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Just did a little Google to see if Jack had mentioned being expelled before and found this article where she admits she carries a knife when jogging
 
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Thank goodness I don’t have to pretend to talk to the PE* teachers anymore in the photocopying room so I could sly their code.

*they did minimal photocopying so it was easy to hide I was using their code instead of mine all only some of the time.
I stole the admin code by looking over someone’s shoulder one year. I had that and a master key I ‘forgot’ to return. Gotta be like the artful bleeping dodger just to teach Year 7 poetry in an inaccessible portacabin.
 
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I usually just lurk here because if I get involved in another thread, I’ll probably have to give up working to keep up but I had to comment on this. Not a chance in hell would a school expel a child without parental involvement!!! They don’t just drag the child into the head’s office and kick them out. It has to go through the local authority and it’s usually after a build up of incidents and a number of fixed term exclusions first. She would also have been allowed back in to take the exams. The woman is deranged. What a ridiculous thing to lie about. It’s not that far back that it won’t still be easy to fact check.
Especially if her parents are known foster carers/pillars of the community. The school would have to tell her parents as she could be a potential threat to their foster children
 
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