J. K. Rowling

[gukkies]

It seems transphobia trumps in this thread (oh yes, I used the big T word!) to the point where it no longer makes sense to try to alleviate it in anyway. After seeing some appalling posts about not being 'on board' with your own child ever hypothetically being trans, and seeing those kind of posts getting a tit ton of likes, I can no longer see any point in trying to reason with or understand what people on here feel or think. Almost every worry that I could see as genuine, understandable worry, is drenched in transphobia.

I no longer wish to further understand a side that has done everything they can to dispute what it is to be trans, and to belittle it as trans people simply dressing up as someone else, or using it as an excuse to gain access to you. I truly hope none of you on here ever come in contact with a trans person - not for your own "safety" (they're not predators! and I'm not talking about the few taking advantage of a label) or comfort, but because I do not want a trans person to ever have to be subjected to people who are not on board with them, or who disregard who they are. I am sure there will be some way that those words will be twisted out of context, as most other posts here have had the same happen to them. And, if someone on here with these beliefs and opinions ever, hypothetically, has someone close like a child in their life come out to them with this, I hope it's a teachable experience for you, or I simply hope they have better, far more supportive people in their life.

I encourage anyone else who feels the same way I do, to take advantage of the 'ignore' button if anything on here upsets you. I know I will be now. There really is just no point in trying to understand some people after a while.

 

[gigi_93]

The comments from people on here saying they wouldn’t be on board with their child being trans...then I beg you, do not ever have children. Make sure you’re stocked up on a lifetime of condoms and birth control please.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

As has been stated many times here, gender dysphoria is not the issue. If I had a young son, I would hate for someone like Mermaids to tell him he's really trans or got the wrong chromosomes or whatever just because he doesn't match gender stereotypes

 

[Vee6]

Great YouTube video by Blaire White

 

[mindlessness]

Thinking Rowling wrote a well-reasoned essay doesn’t mean a person is transphobic.

I’d rather all children express themselves as they wished and enjoy safe childhoods within supportive communities where they can have varied interests without gender streteotypes about ‘girl’ things or ‘boy’ things. Any children who experience gender dysphoria should get care and therapy if needed to help them as they grow. Then, when they are adults, they can make the decision to make permanent changes. That’s just my opinion. It’s not one many in society have and that’s fine. But it’s what I think.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

This is why what Mermaids are doing is frightening

This is is grooming and child abuse

 

[Vee6]

So so scary! I hope the bubble bursts for mermaids soon!

 

[Meh]

It seems transphobia trumps in this thread (oh yes, I used the big T word!) to the point where it no longer makes sense to try to alleviate it in anyway. After seeing some appalling posts about not being 'on board' with your own child ever hypothetically being trans, and seeing those kind of posts getting a tit ton of likes, I can no longer see any point in trying to reason with or understand what people on here feel or think. Almost every worry that I could see as genuine, understandable worry, is drenched in transphobia.

I no longer wish to further understand a side that has done everything they can to dispute what it is to be trans, and to belittle it as trans people simply dressing up as someone else, or using it as an excuse to gain access to you. I truly hope none of you on here ever come in contact with a trans person - not for your own "safety" (they're not predators! and I'm not talking about the few taking advantage of a label) or comfort, but because I do not want a trans person to ever have to be subjected to people who are not on board with them, or who disregard who they are. I am sure there will be some way that those words will be twisted out of context, as most other posts here have had the same happen to them. And, if someone on here with these beliefs and opinions ever, hypothetically, has someone close like a child in their life come out to them with this, I hope it's a teachable experience for you, or I simply hope they have better, far more supportive people in their life.

I encourage anyone else who feels the same way I do, to take advantage of the 'ignore' button if anything on here upsets you. I know I will be now. There really is just no point in trying to understand some people after a while.

Dear God.

I have been quite vocal on this thread and I believe I have quite clearly and emphatically offered full support for trans people. Whilst still raising a genuine concern.

You refer to “a few people taking advantage of a label” what the f%ck are you on about?! That “taking advantage” equates to PREDATORY MEN using loopholes in hastily brought in legislation to access women (trans included!) children (male and female) and other vulnerable users utilising female
Only facilities. This is not a simple case of “few bad apples/collateral damage for greater good” we are talking potentially life ruining violence from males. Even if there is a risk of a small % increase in this how can anyone support this? Don’t women/children/vulnerable users have the right to safety? Does that need to be a cost of enhancing trans rights?

This isn’t so much a trans issue but a male entitlement issue really.

With reference to “not tolerating a child being trans” then that’s outlandish! Personally I do not know anyone who would refuse or oppress a child or youngsters identity as a trans person. I certainly would not.

That said I do find the “trans adoption” sites encouraging children talking privately with adult “trans” (could be any predator posing as a trans person really let’s be honest) Hiding this from their parents etc. Absolutely wrong and a high grooming risk. Very contrary to every single child charity and police internet safety message...

Am I a terrible TERF/transphobic person for wanting to ensure vulnerable trans kids are not the victim of a sick predator?! Oh, how f*cking terrible a human I am.

Yeah, that’s about right. Away you ignore people whose views don’t align with your thoughts. Worst group think on display on some elements of TRA community.

EDIT: LOLLLL. Just realised this is the JK Rowling thread and not Gender Discussions thread! I have not posted at lot on this one but on gender discussion. That being said I stand by my message. I just got confused not recognising some of the posters/ comments. My bad .

 

[Lanavalentine]

It’s fascinating to me that people who are pro TRA arguments often end up saying “I’m blocking now for my mental health” or similar, during these discussions.

Personally if I was being so heavily affected by other people’s opinions to the point I had to make a swift exit for my mental health, I would really question it. Question why I am so triggered by these opinions and facts.

It’s not something I can say I’ve ever experienced before. Recently I’ve been having a lot of robust discussions about race on Facebook, with some “all lives matter” types. It can be frustrating, but I’ve always had something to say to them, always had an argument to oppose theirs, and even though their blatant racism offends me and angers me, I’ve never thought to bow out of the discussion to “protect” myself.

I also see a lot of TRAs insisting to just block JKR, don’t read her essay, don’t try and understand what so-called TERFs are saying, it’s all toxic manipulation etc etc. This kind of attitude isn’t going to help anyone develop their arguments? You have to know what the opposite side is saying if you want to properly refute it.

I also note how a lot of pro TRA women base all their arguments on a friend or family member who is trans. Perhaps that means they refuse to see the bigger picture that gender critical feminists are trying to paint for them. It’s emotive instead of factual. I can completely understand that. It must mess with your head when you know your loved one is a good person and yet here women are giving you factual evidence that the wider ideology your loved one is involved in is potentially harmful to you (and harmful to them, too).

 

[Glaschelle]

No matter what - I think JK Rowling has the right to say what she said - I'll nail my copies to the mast and say that I agree with JK.

I also think that people have the right to disagree with her.

And that is a bigger issue. We are no longer allowed to disagree with each other.

I honestly have never been so frightened about the world!!!

 

[SqualorVictoria]

In this and the gender discussions thread, many people have posted concerns and not one of those have been addressed by TRAs- for example, the issue of transwomen being allowed to compete in womens sports. The other argument I've seen about people worrying about the dangers of allowing male bodied people into female only spaces is "men are going to do that anyway" (paraphrasing). I have not seen a single valid counter argument. I'm a progressive liberal borderline Marxist hippy so my concerns in no way stem from an irrational hatred of trans people. GC people here don't want trans people to be unhappy. We recognise that gender dysphoria is a genuine condition.

 

[SilentSue]

In this and the gender discussions thread, many people have posted concerns and not one of those have been addressed by TRAs- for example, the issue of transwomen being allowed to compete in womens sports. The other argument I've seen about people worrying about the dangers of allowing male bodied people into female only spaces is "men are going to do that anyway" (paraphrasing). I have not seen a single valid counter argument. I'm a progressive liberal borderline Marxist hippy so my concerns in no way stem from an irrational hatred of trans people. GC people here don't want trans people to be unhappy. We recognise that gender dysphoria is a genuine condition.

*fistbump from a fellow Marxist*!

 

[totallytaz]

This is certainly not someone who wants to be on board with women. You can see from this post that they despise them.

 

[PoleStar]

This is why what Mermaids are doing is frightening

This is is grooming and child abuse

Utterly appalling. If I had a child and found out this organisation was asking my child to have secret conversations with them I'd report them to the police, no question. Until a child is 18 their parents or legal guardian are legally responsible for them - how dare this organisation try and sidestep that safeguarding provision. Organisations like this should be outlawed, they are a danger to vulnerable children.

This is certainly not someone who wants to be on board with women. You can see from this post that they despise them.View attachment 158804

That makes me so angry - what right does this MAN have to upset, goad and taunt women? What a truly obnoxious piece of work.

 

[Meh]

In this and the gender discussions thread, many people have posted concerns and not one of those have been addressed by TRAs- for example, the issue of transwomen being allowed to compete in womens sports. The other argument I've seen about people worrying about the dangers of allowing male bodied people into female only spaces is "men are going to do that anyway" (paraphrasing). I have not seen a single valid counter argument. I'm a progressive liberal borderline Marxist hippy so my concerns in no way stem from an irrational hatred of trans people. GC people here don't want trans people to be unhappy. We recognise that gender dysphoria is a genuine condition.

Agreed. There has been no argument or position stated to counter these issues. Indeed on the gender discussion thread some TRAs have been quoting only small sections of a post and ignoring the rest. I.e. the bit they have no answer for.

It’s fascinating to me that people who are pro TRA arguments often end up saying “I’m blocking now for my mental health” or similar, during these discussions.

Personally if I was being so heavily affected by other people’s opinions to the point I had to make a swift exit for my mental health, I would really question it. Question why I am so triggered by these opinions and facts.

It’s not something I can say I’ve ever experienced before. Recently I’ve been having a lot of robust discussions about race on Facebook, with some “all lives matter” types. It can be frustrating, but I’ve always had something to say to them, always had an argument to oppose theirs, and even though their blatant racism offends me and angers me, I’ve never thought to bow out of the discussion to “protect” myself.

I also see a lot of TRAs insisting to just block JKR, don’t read her essay, don’t try and understand what so-called TERFs are saying, it’s all toxic manipulation etc etc. This kind of attitude isn’t going to help anyone develop their arguments? You have to know what the opposite side is saying if you want to properly refute it.

I also note how a lot of pro TRA women base all their arguments on a friend or family member who is trans. Perhaps that means they refuse to see the bigger picture that gender critical feminists are trying to paint for them. It’s emotive instead of factual. I can completely understand that. It must mess with your head when you know your loved one is a good person and yet here women are giving you factual evidence that the wider ideology your loved one is involved in is potentially harmful to you (and harmful to them, too).

Yes! This.

This concept of everyone being triggered by opinions melts my mind.

Ironically, a woman being triggered following experiences of DV/sexual violence and having an issue with males in women only spaces... oh that’s not allowed. She’s a terf. She’s transphobic. She’s close minded. She’s exaggerating.

So, we compare: person being put into situation of triggering PTSD following extreme trauma gets “called out” and needs to “embrace discomfort”

with-

“cis” (urgh) person who is woke AF getting their feelings hurt online and having to ‘protect their mental health’

duck off

That makes me so angry - what right does this MAN have to upset, goad and taunt women? What a truly obnoxious piece of work.

OmGzzz how dare you? SHE is a woman! You TERF. Some people are trans; get over it?! Like, people are who they say they are. Like, trans rights are human rights.

Nope. Thought I could embrace TRA life, couldn’t do it.

Seriously though. What a horrid human being! Taking joy out of upsetting and intimidating others. For someone who wants equality (debatable- still very much enjoying their male privilege) he’s got no problems in making others feel fear and discomfort.

 

[Zenchick101]

Just had a look on twitter and this tit is dark. If you say the wrong thing and are labelled as a TERF or transphobic you'll get crazies calling your work, trying to find your place -> Seen so many grape, murder, assault threats on there and no it's not one or the other sometimes it's a combination of the above in a different order. A canadian shelter for grape victims was defunded and closed for not wanting transwomen, they spray painted the walls, they nailed dead rats to the building and other tit like that. Likening to witches - literally getting a female doll and arranging a public hanging/burning her at the stake and writing first recorded TERF execution, there's also a picture calling for TERF's to be guillotined.
-> these lot are scary, asking how to recognize a TERF so they can punch/slit their throats kill them. oh my lord.

This is why what Mermaids are doing is frightening

This is is grooming and child abuse

That's insane no organization should be asking kids to be keeping something from their parents.

 

[rosemarina]

That’s how you know most TRAs are MRAs.

 

[Zenchick101]

That’s how you know most TRAs are MRAs.

what's that?

 

[rosemarina]

Men’s Rights Activists. It’s a men’s rights movement under the surface, if you look at it.

 

[Bitofthebubbly]

So it’s ok for women to be threatened with grape, murder and doxxing, but stating an immutable biological fact like how men literally cannot become women gets you labelled as a hateful terf & a bigot and results in said threats.

I don’t think I’ve seen any of that kind of violent vitriol coming from a ‘terf’. The worst I’ve seen is ‘transwomen are men’ which whilst it may not be a nice thing to say, you could argue is correct from a biology standpoint (biology doesn’t have manners). Funny old world we live in.