J. K. Rowling

[SqualorVictoria]

‘Absolute terf’ I mean there could be worse things. Could be a weirdo, a murderer, or a violent man in a women’s prison who rapes female inmates, or a man who demands female only beauty salons wax his balls, or a man taking a place on a women’s sports team or a man who uses rape threats to silence women. Yep, definitely worse things in the world than being an ‘absolute terf’ at this point.

Yeah so true. TRAs bandy this term about as if it's the ultimate insult but you know what, they can call us TERFs all they want. It's certainly all they've got in the absence of logic and fact

 

[DanaScully]

The person who sent that tweet is sick and dangerous and should definitely receive a visit from the police immediately. It's absolutely disgusting to write that and think its acceptable because you don't agree with someone else's opinion. I can't believe the venom of that post. I'm angry and completely appalled at the same time. How frightening to have that directed at you.
I really hope that the person who did that gets some jail jail time and is made an example of.

This is why so many women are afraid to speak out now. Nobody wants to raise their head above the parapet knowing that it might be blown off.

The person who sent this message bravely used a non-fixed VoIP (like a Google Voice number) which is virtually impossible to trace.

Posie Parker is known for the 'woman: adult human female' billboards that went up in various places. Lynched for putting up a dictionary definition!

The message made my blood run cold when I read it, particularly the last paragraph. It also shows the hatred they have for females. I don't understand why they want to "become" women when they apparently hate us so much.

 

[ShowMeYourFeline]

Quite the massive leap there to eating disorders which are classified as a mental illness which have nothing to do with my post.

Many trans people have mental illnesses as a result of their gender dysphoria and feeling unable to get access to a body they feel happy with.

Read about turner's syndrome, triple x, kilnefelter etc. Rare doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And these have nothing to do with gender dysphoria. I was simply showing that biological sex isn't binary.

Wow. That is so unbelievably ignorant.

Girls with Turner’s Syndrome and triple X syndrome are categorically female, and men with Klinefelter syndrome are categorically male. No one says otherwise, except genderist extremists like yourself using them as pawns.

 

[Scotch Mist]

JK Rowling follows up transphobic tweets with 3,600-word transphobic essay

More celebrities including Emma Watson and Eddie Redmayne speak out against JK Rowling's transphobic messages and she defends and explains her tweets in a long, transphobic essay

www.laineygossip.com

This sort of fucking shit makes my blood boil.
The arrogant patronising man who wrote this crap ends with:

Ultimately, that’s what it comes down to. We all know a JK Rowling. Someone who refuses to accept when they’re wrong and finds some convoluted, circuitous way to prove the validity of their stance. How do you deal with those people? You can keep arguing and educating and pointing to resources to no avail. Or you can sigh and move on. I think it’s time we all collectively sighed and moved on from JKR.

God I'm in the same position! I am and always have been centre left and very politically engaged. Now I'm basically a Tory because in the eyes of the hard left anyone to the centre of Corbyn is a Tory including the majority of the Labour Party. Its depressing and infuriating. They shut down debate on every side. I hate it I have a degree in politics. I have been involved in politics since my teens. I was one of those weirdos that loved government procedure Now I get told I'm brainwashed so many times by people who couldn't give a fuck about politics 3 or 4 years ago/ couldn't be bothered to vote in the Brexit referendum and yet are now outraged by it etc that I dont engage or speak about it anywhere. I have completely disengaged from politics for the first time in my adult life.

I feel your pain and am similar. In my youth I was left wing and I remember being delighted when Blair got elected. Disillusionment soon set in and now I don't feel represented by any political party.

The extreme left and right these days are very toxic and there appears to be no room for debate in a civilised way. Just bullying and everyone towing the line in case someone turns the attack dogs on them

 

[Pablomamma]

Something else has been bugging me lately too - I’d welcome others’ thoughts.

I’ve watched most seasons of Drag Race and laughed along, but there’s something that sits uncomfortably with me. Men taking the ‘glamour’ of being a woman and caricaturing - often incredibly stereotypically. They make serious money off it while all the tough bits of being female are ignored (periods/pregancy etc)...

 

[DanaScully]

This is interesting, regarding Reddit. Especially in view of the fact you can sign up to the site as a 13 year old and there remains a large contingent of abuse porn/ rape porn / underage porn subreddits (even some of the names of these are disgusting), some hidden, some not. It's only female subreddits who question it that get banned.

Is Ghislaine Maxwell secretly one of the most powerful Redditors of all time?

Conspiracy theorists on the site have come to believe that Jeffery Epstein’s alleged accomplice may have also been a major influencer on the social news destination since 2006.

www.inputmag.com

I had no idea about the GM thing, but it makes perfect sense.

Someone posted this on Twitter re #reddithateswomen which I thought summed it up perfectly:

 

[Zenchick101]

Just had a look on twitter and this shit is dark. If you say the wrong thing and are labelled as a TERF or transphobic you'll get crazies calling your work, trying to find your place -> Seen so many rape, murder, assault threats on there and no it's not one or the other sometimes it's a combination of the above in a different order. A canadian shelter for rape victims was defunded and closed for not wanting transwomen, they spray painted the walls, they nailed dead rats to the building and other shit like that. Likening to witches - literally getting a female doll and arranging a public hanging/burning her at the stake and writing first recorded TERF execution, there's also a picture calling for TERF's to be guillotined.
-> these lot are scary, asking how to recognize a TERF so they can punch/slit their throats kill them. oh my lord.

This is why what Mermaids are doing is frightening

This is is grooming and child abuse

That's insane no organization should be asking kids to be keeping something from their parents.

 

[rosemarina]

I must admit I find some trans women have very odd ideas about what it actually means to be a woman. A lot seem to be obsessed with looks (hair, clothes, sexy underwear, heels, makeup etc) when a great number of women couldn't care less about these things and don't define their femininity by outward appearances.

Yes, there's a definite look. I mean, most women I know wear jeans most of the time outside work, maybe a casual dress, flat shoes etc. Transwomen do full-on femme cosplay. If you honestly believe you are a woman, why is it pretty much always an outdated stereotype of a woman?

(I mean, maybe there really are transwomen out there wearing burqas, etc.)

 

[Vee6]

I’ve just ordered new copies of all the Harry Potter books as my old ones were looking a bit tatty!

 

[Vanillaco]

Honestly how they think they're on the right side of history is beyond me.

I think they're showing themselves up with all this though. All those people replying to JK Rowling saying 'suck my lady dick' with pictures etc. Everyone watching that who might be unsure on this whole issue - are they going to want their little daughters sharing toilets and spaces where we undress with these people? Absolutely not.

I hope she makes them more and more furious so they show themselves up for who they really are. I hope everyone abused by tra's publicises the vile language they use. They will undo themselves with their own vileness. Most of the 20 somethings will get a grip of themselves and others of the professionally outraged will grow up or wear themselves out. Unfortunately it will be too late for the women raped by Karen White and others in womens prisons and refuges or the people who have lost their jobs and reputations and for the prepubescent children left infertile. But hey the people who caused that will have gone off to virtue signal somewhere else by then so who cares?

 

[Vanillaco]

Neither side is going to budge so a compromise like male, female and unisex would be a good start. But there are plenty that are hell bent on getting into the women’s loos...

I have seen an awful lot of places recently where there have been unisex toilets and mens toilets. So even though women have fewer toilets than men, theirs are the ones that are being taken away. There are trans men but they dont count apparently. I bet gay men arent being called transphobic for not wanting to sleep with them either.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

As has been stated many times here, gender dysphoria is not the issue. If I had a young son, I would hate for someone like Mermaids to tell him he's really trans or got the wrong chromosomes or whatever just because he doesn't match gender stereotypes

 

[Smca53]

I apologise. Maybe I wasn’t clear. If you’re having a female clinician, generally they will need to talk you through the procedure to get your consent. At any point you can say that you would like an additional female chaperone. (Maybe this isn’t common knowledge). A surgery isn’t considered transphobic for asking you if you would like a female champerone, or even a different chaperone if you don’t like the one you currently have. It’s not that deep- they just want to put your mind at ease and make you comfortable. At the end of the day they want to treat you safely. they can’t do that if you’re distressed or upset by something.

I can absolutely guarantee that if you asked for a different or second female chaperone you would find yourself labelled transphobic and dragged through the streets.

 

[Justhereforthedrama]

I find her inclusivity in her writing can feel quite tokenist. Like saying Dumbledore is gay, but never mentioning it in the books, just vaguely alluding to something with Grindelwald that could easily just have been have been a best friend relationship, which is how the books really portray it.

The presence of black/Asian characters is extremely limited again, twin Indian characters, a Chinese character. Three characters that had limited depth as characters.

Ive felt in recent years she has tried to retrospectively add inclusivity into Harry potter. She tries to come across as very progressive and inclusive, but whether it is ignorance/limited understanding or acceptance of issues it all seems to land wrong when she says anything these days.

She'd save herself a lot of aggravation by just shutting up and just writing her stories. That's not to say she can't have an opinion, she is of course entitled to hold whatever opinion she wants, whether I agree or not. It's just why bother with the aggravation.

I agree, it can. But then I think back to when she wrote it in the 1990's (and I am the same 'age' as Harry) and what she wrote is very representative of a class/school in Scotland at the time (I'm from the borders). We had a couple of British-south asian boys in our year , one girl who was British-Chinese and one girl who was born in Nigeria but emigrated to the UK at 4. Its not the same world that we live in now. There genuinely was less diversity in our schools then.

But I agree the LGBT aspect R.E Dumbledore was completely shoe-horned in.

 

[Scotch Mist]

Just caught up, what a thread. Plenty I agree with, some I don’t, but so nice to see a discussion on the unstoppable tide of the transgender community with nuance and a lack of personal attacks, which you certainly don’t see elsewhere online.

I have a question for everyone. Do you think your opinion on MTF trans people In women’s spaces is dependent on various factors? Such as if they “pass”, if they’ve had surgery. Personally I have no real issue with a MTF trans person who has had years of treatment, surgery and life experiences who dresses well and behaves in a calm and dignified fashion, but this new generation of trans people who think they don’t have to change at all except put on ridiculously short skirts creep me out.

I know JK touched on this with her friend, but I feel like 20 years ago when trans people were a tiny percentage of the population that it was a small amount of people getting the help they needed and they were genuinely happy to be living the life that was right for them, but these days trans appears to be a badge that it’s easy to put upon yourself to look more woke or to earn some extra points in the oppression Olympics. I have a friend who is trans and has lived as a woman for over a decade, and I feel like this new generation of woke kids wanting attention in women’s spaces make the world a more dangerous place for people like her.

Sorry for the mountain of text

Yes I mostly agree. MTF who have had surgery I don't have a problem with and I think most them just want to live their lives in peace. My main concern has always been the idea that any man can potentially claim to be a woman without doing any sort of reassignment (bar wearing a dress) to access female only spaces. Some of those people are taking the piss.

 

[Bitofthebubbly]

“We only accept applications from women, including men who identify as them”

So not women only then.

 

[Libertine1975]

As a woman in find it demeaning to call me a person who mensturates. I fucking hate my periods and fail to see why I apparently now have to refer to myself as a bodily function so as not to offend people.

Yes not all women have periods including trans women, and some trans men who all have not started treatment might have periods but this is a small number of people and I don't understand why trans people are so offended by this. A women who has been through the menopause or has had a hysterectomy is no less a woman because her periods have stopped.

Periods do not make you a woman and being a woman does not mean you have to have periods.

The original tweet put out does deserve all the backlash that has been given. I appreciate that there is wider context with JK Rowling and things in the past and her recent post regarding the abuse she suffered. She has never in everything I have read said she hates trans people. It is completely right that if someone is trans they have the right to change their gender and live how they want but in also think that this needs to be done with caution and the right support and for the right reasons and that there needs to be proper debate about protecting the rights of both trans women and cis women. This is especially true for those who have suffered trauma.

Most of the comments on twitter and things that the HP cast have said are basically shutting down debate which needs to happen to protect both sides.

 

[jewelkitty]

I just want to ask, now that you find yourself on the “wrong” side of leftists for the first time, do you now realise how unethical and damaging these leftist tactics are?

I mean of branding yourselves right and the “other side” wrong, to the point of the other side being irredeemable as human beings? And for reducing highly complex issues such as abortion and gay marriage to just “we’re right and good, you’re wrong and evil”? That anyone who disagrees with you must have evil and sinister motives such as homophobia or misogyny, rather than genuine concerns.

Did you ever consider what people who are not 100% pro choice, or not 100% in favour of gay marriage, might think or feel? Did you think they deserve any treatment they get, and has your opinion changed?

Please don't assume I was ever intolerant to other views on abortion rights and gay marriage because I certainly wasn't. I actively sought out their arguments because I truly wanted to understand where they were coming from. The majority of people are not "good" or "bad."
I was never one of these hardy leftists, I know the type you're probably imagining me to be, lots of my friends are. But I always thought of myself as a soft left. But being surrounded by peers who are very far left, any beliefs I have that lean even centrist make me feel some guilt.
Another thing, centrism is now demonised by the left, which is the ultimate example of 'you must believe everything I believe or you're out.'
It always annoyed me that everyone (particularly far-lefts) think that every single person is black or white. Either all their beliefs align with the left, or they all align with the right. We're all individuals with our own capacity for thought, how can you expect everyone's thoughts to fall into two neat little boxes like that? It's bonkers. People aren't so straightforward. I think the most basic people are those that make themselves 'believe' something just because it falls on one particular side of the political spectrum.

 

[Vanillaco]

No matter what anyone's thoughts on JK Rowling are, that headline/story is a total disgrace. The Sun doing what they do best, gutter, gutter "journalism" if you can even call it that.

Nobody will stand up and say it. Radcliffe and that self styled feminist warrior Watson wont call it out. Nor will they condemn their 'fans' calling for Rowlings books- her life's work- to be re credited to them on the basis that they learnt a script someone else wrote, based on books she wrote.

 

[Rainbowchampagne]

Is he taking the piss out of everyone shouting for the revision of history and Emma & Daniel Radcliffe to be the “new authors” of Harry Potter

Did Tom not say anything about JKs tweets?

I couldn’t believe what DR, EW & RG tweeted after. They have thrown a woman under the bus THAT THEY PERSONALLY KNOW. Surely they would know she’s not transphobic, she’s not a bad person!m? She’s sticking up for women? Especially Emma, feminist my arse, didn’t like her much before but cannot stand her now!