Ioan Gruffudd/Alice Evans

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Yes AE really is her own worst enemy and I also find the FMs reprehensible for egging her on.
I find them worse in this situation. They know that Alice rates their opinion and instead of doing the right thing and surrounding her with positivity only (anything but her divorce) they are probably further allienating the person she will ultimately need the most by egging her on.

A troll friend of hers (lets call her FM3) who has a blog just "outed" someone saying she is me. :unsure: 😂🤡

AE was delighted of course. Doesn't matter that it's the wrong person. This is exactly the same as when she "outed" a Moderator on the old fansite (also called Alice) saying she was behind the Wiki edits. Clownworld 🤡💩 detective work.
They do this all the time. I remember a few years back a kind user who was kinda supportive of Ioan, but mainly of his too-soon-cancelled show Forever (like probably many, it's his best work besides Hornblower probably) being accused of attacking the Gruffudd family and allegedly threatening to physically harm these two admins because of Forever (that user insisted that it wasnt them who did this), obviously without any proof whatsoever. It's their modus operandi. If it would have happened once you could put this all down on missunderstandings and missing context and whatever, but it happens too often.

I get that these people are into the resistor movement and those people hate it when anyone suggests that silence is better than going for the attack, but often it is (even if it's sometimes unfair if everything does turn out to be true, admittedly). Apparently wanting to get the whole picture from all sides is being an enabler and taking a critical stance on how somebody acts but wishing them well concern trolling. That's simply not how life works. It isn't black or white.

Look, I doubt anyone (maybe except of a minority) is certain here that Ioan is totally innocent or that he has done everything right. In fact I said in my first post that I always doubted his image (apparently unlike them!) and since he kept silent he made himself invulnerable to critical scrunity. But if (I mean that dude with the blog) you think that you are somebody that can break down every issue and analyze it (which in essence is a good thing, especially since he tackles very important matters like abuse and corruption), maybe you should consider other aspects too if somebody contradicts herself as much as she has done (whether you are excusing this with emotionality or not is up to you) and when she has not exactly the best history (again, whether you are excusing this by blaming others for it is again up to you) and if you have experienced divorces before (I love my parents a lot, but they really told two different stories when they were there because they just had this warped hyper-negative image of each other while they both thought that they are totally right, and this pretty much happens in any divorce). Otherwise I just can't take it serious.
 
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I sincerely hope her honesty in what she told me about her earlier years is valid. Maybe we’ll find out, maybe never.

And, absolutely, I also see that white privilege, and even class privilege and her privilege in rapports with others (like having IG by her side through familial dispute). It would be important for me to factor that into her being as well, as it tends to shift our views of people’s degrees of suffering.

I didn’t know she was facing legal action. I never saw those posts! Also, I’m deeply sorry you were inappropriately mentioned and implicated in that one person’s Twitter article. I don’t know who they are at all, but I suspect they are quite involved in AE’s defense. I also don’t know the individual they were targeting. Ah, well. I read their piece last night and was rather confused in many places—unless this person is qualified in a psychological setting they really have little business dismantling someone’s remarks and positioning themselves in a way that suggests they are fully aware of others’ intentions. It’s very weird, honestly. Again, I’m sorry about that disrespect.

Also, this just hit me but if IG has been quietly watching this dumpster fire of a dispute, could you imagine the trust issues he could possibly have with women after all of this? I hope he doesn’t.
Thanks. I'm fine and I hope the person they falsely outed is not taking this personally either. So AE confided in you? And then told you to get lost because you wanted to be fair to IG?

How is this for gaslighting:

"Alice Evans is currently suffering a campaign of bullying and invalidation that is designed to harm Alice's interests to fulfill the desired agenda of soon to be ex-husband Ioan Gruffudd. That agenda is as simple as it is abusive. Ioan Gruffudd wants Alice to be forced into silence and unable to respond to the abusive dynamics being inflicted on her wholesale, both publicly and behind the scenes."

:rolleyes::poop: 🤡 😂

Forced into silence? Good luck with that :ROFLMAO:
And what abuse is AE subjected to by IG? The terms of her pre-nup that she signed?
IG not wanting to be libeled and suffer possible career damage as a result? Not to mention dragging his mother into it?
People telling her to think about the harm public smearing of IG could do to his children who can read?
Yes such terrible abuse! 🤪

"I do not need to prove that Deaton is the Bridge of Sighs." No tit, Sherlock! Because you can't. 😎

I don't know if it's legal action yet. AE mentioned threats.

As for trusting women and getting romantically involved again, I think he will. I would like him to have a healthy relationship which I don't believe he ever had with AE. She always dominated him. (If you're reading this Alice - imagine that! I would be happy for him, not jealous!!) 😙
 
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Did AE say people called her agent to trash her?! Cos I didn't see that and doubt it happened either. First of all, she doesn't have an agent now.
"Publishing lies about her is over the line" Agreed, and it's also way over the line when she does this to randoms (or IG or anyone) on her socials. A troll friend of hers (lets call her FM3) who has a blog just "outed" someone saying she is me. :unsure: 😂🤡

AE was delighted of course. Doesn't matter that it's the wrong person. This is exactly the same as when she "outed" a Moderator on the old fansite (also called Alice) saying she was behind the Wiki edits. Clownworld 🤡💩 detective work.

Yes AE really is her own worst enemy and I also find the FMs reprehensible for egging her on. I wonder if she has BPD?

Borderline personality disorder (BPD) can cause a wide range of symptoms, which can be broadly grouped into 4 main areas.

The 4 areas are:

  • emotional instability – the psychological term for this is "affective dysregulation"
  • disturbed patterns of thinking or perception – "cognitive distortions" or "perceptual distortions"
  • impulsive behaviour
  • intense but unstable relationships with others
Many people with BPD seem to be stuck with a very rigid "black-white" view of relationships. Either a relationship is perfect and that person is wonderful, or the relationship is doomed and that person is terrible. People with BPD seem unable or unwilling to accept any sort of "grey area" in their personal life and relationships. For many people with BPD, emotional relationships (including relationships with professionals) involve "go away/please don't go" states of mind, which is confusing for them and their partners. Sadly, this can often lead to break-ups.

Anyway, Alice, if you are reading this you might want to look into Dialectical behaviour therapy (DBT) and Mentalisation-based therapy (MBT). For your kids sake, if nothing else.
This is what she said about people calling her agent:
 

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This is what she said about people calling her agent:
Oh that was back in 2018. Thanks. I don't believe it though.
First of all there was some messing with her wiki circa 2002 though AE was always quick to change it back. Then things stabilized so I very much doubt it was an issue in 2006/7. Also pages can be protected in wiki if they are subject to vandalism - did that ever happen to her page? Remember most people don't know who she is so there was probably only one or two people doing this and they seem to have stopped in 2002 roughly.

However, AE is like a dog with a bone so she won't stop banging on about it as it suits the victim narrative. They rest of it sounds like :poop: to me. People calling her PR people to say tit about her?! They would simply put the phone down lol. As for the claim some people threatened her via mail and email? Why, did she give them her address?? 🤪 Couldn't she have blocked them? She may have sent those threatening emails to herself as a way of getting sympathy and attention. And yes some people do do that. Or maybe it never happened? I smell a rat.
 
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The wiki stuff was mostly in 2006/07, you can check history there. The website went down a few months before their wedding.

I think (early) 2002 was when they just went public with their relationship. Dont think there was much drama at that point, but I wasnt around to know it.
 
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Thanks. I'm fine and I hope the person they falsely outed is not taking this personally either. So AE confided in you? And then told you to get lost because you wanted to be fair to IG?

How is this for gaslighting:

"Alice Evans is currently suffering a campaign of bullying and invalidation that is designed to harm Alice's interests to fulfill the desired agenda of soon to be ex-husband Ioan Gruffudd. That agenda is as simple as it is abusive. Ioan Gruffudd wants Alice to be forced into silence and unable to respond to the abusive dynamics being inflicted on her wholesale, both publicly and behind the scenes."

:rolleyes::poop: 🤡 😂

Forced into silence? Good luck with that :ROFLMAO:
And what abuse is AE subjected to by IG? The terms of her pre-nup that she signed?
IG not wanting to be libeled and suffer possible career damage as a result? Not to mention dragging his mother into it?
People telling her to think about the harm public smearing of IG could do to his children who can read?
Yes such terrible abuse! 🤪

"I do not need to prove that Deaton is the Bridge of Sighs." No tit, Sherlock! Because you can't. 😎

I don't know if it's legal action yet. AE mentioned threats.

As for trusting women and getting romantically involved again, I think he will. I would like him to have a healthy relationship which I don't believe he ever had with AE. She always dominated him. (If you're reading this Alice - imagine that! I would be happy for him, not jealous!!) 😙
It’s incredible how AE and her FMS and clingons are doing the very thing we are accused of. But we are trying to make sense if it all and don’t have an agenda. Nor are we accusing and attacking others. I think we’re pretty darned respectful considering.
I once read the most amazingly mature statement by a truly famous teenager. He said that he never ever reads anything about himself, realizing that the bad would be out there. Years later he’s very happy, successful, and rich.
I didn’t want her to see Tattlelife. Not for an instant! And like you I would love to see IG find someone he can truly be happy with for the rest of his life. That would be lovely.
 
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This is what she said about people calling her agent:
Does anyone know what happened when they went to the police over these threats she says she received? I can’t seem to find any other mention of it and can’t remember if its been discussed before.
 
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The wiki stuff was mostly in 2006/07, you can check history there. The website went down a few months before their wedding.

I think (early) 2002 was when they just went public with their relationship. Dont think there was much drama at that point, but I wasnt around to know it.
Ok I stand corrected. The Wiki stuff happened back in early 2000s too. They were an item from 2000 but kept it quiet initially. The wedding was 2007 and the main website went down in 2003. A lot of the wiki stuff she deleted was accurate though. Direct quotes from articles etc. I found this which I believe she said back in the day.

"Gill (Ioan's mother) has been the surprise I thought I would be lucky enough to have. You don't imagine there's such a kind, gentle heart just around the corner."
 
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If you can't take it, don't dish it!

or

Liar liar, pants on fire.



Thanks for sharing your story Pearls.

I know AE was close to her mother and got close to the father after the mother died. Then the "evil" step mother takes him away from AE and they went No Contact on her. Why, we don't know but I can guess. That said, she had IG in the bag before the feud with her father started so she was never without support. So we don't know her "trauma history", if there is one. We will all experience bereavements and people dropping out of our lives. tit happens and as adults we have to deal with it.

I see her as someone who has had a charmed life in many ways thanks to her good looks. She landed high profile, wealthy men and got an acting career out of it. (Most actors never get anywhere no matter how talented). The No Parking video shows irresponsible, entitled and arrogant behavior. I read some of the responses to it and AE was called out for "White Privilege" and "Caucacity" a blend of being Caucasian and audacity, ie, shameless behavior.

So yeah, I have never bought into her victim narrative. My sympathies lie with the kids and IG. Luckily IG has good friends and strong family ties so he does have support but for a private man, her dissing him online has got to hurt. Also it was clear from her twitter that he and his manager have sent "legal threats" to her as no doubt they are worried about her damaging his image and career. However, I think most people realize by now that she can't be trusted to tell the truth so I don't think her verbal diarrhea will affect his career. It's clear her career is over. No one in acting will want to work with her after this in case she spews crap about them too. Maybe it's Starbucks then?
I really like the Liar liar pants on fire suggestion btw!

I’m going to make another thread title suggestion.
She said, she said. Get it? 😂
 
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It’s incredible how AE and her FMS and clingons are doing the very thing we are accused of. But we are trying to make sense if it all and don’t have an agenda. Nor are we accusing and attacking others. I think we’re pretty darned respectful considering.
I once read the most amazingly mature statement by a truly famous teenager. He said that he never ever reads anything about himself, realizing that the bad would be out there. Years later he’s very happy, successful, and rich.
I didn’t want her to see Tattlelife. Not for an instant! And like you I would love to see IG find someone he can truly be happy with for the rest of his life. That would be lovely.
Yep. How much healthier it would be to ignore media about yourself but most people want to know. It would have been healthier if she could laugh at the wiki edits instead of going nuts too. Just like AE should have ignored Tattle. She was warned it was critical but couldn't help herself.
 
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Does anyone know what happened when they went to the police over these threats she says she received? I can’t seem to find any other mention of it and can’t remember if its been discussed before.
I can’t believe someone has been after her all this time for heavens sake! That stuff is a crime and as bent out of shape as she gets I can’t imagine that she didn’t move Heaven and earth to stop it.

Ok I stand corrected. The Wiki stuff happened back in early 2000s too. They were an item from 2000 but kept it quiet initially. The wedding was 2007 and the main website went down in 2003. A lot of the wiki stuff she deleted was accurate though. Direct quotes from articles etc. I found this which I believe she said back in the day.

"Gill (Ioan's mother) has been the surprise I thought I would be lucky enough to have. You don't imagine there's such a kind, gentle heart just around the corner."
What happened to change her kind gentle heart to the c word?

Btw we are at 97k now!

I’m going to make one final thread suggestion! Someone else please make one, as many of you are more loquacious than me.
But since AE deleted one of her hateful tweets about her “supposed enemy” I came up with one more.
Tweet, Delete, Repeat.
 
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Could someone inform me of these edits? They seem to be a particularly prominent aspect of this madness, seeing as she keeps referencing past abuse by fans. What happened, exactly? Is it somewhere in this thread?

I can’t believe someone has been after her all this time for heavens sake! That stuff is a crime and as bent out of shape as she gets I can’t imagine that she didn’t move Heaven and earth to stop it.


What happened to change her kind gentle heart to the c word?

Btw we are at 97k now!

I’m going to make one final thread suggestion! Someone else please make one, as many of you are more loquacious than me.
But since AE deleted one of her hateful tweets about her “supposed enemy” I came up with one more.
Tweet, Delete, Repeat.
Omg. You know what, forget the thread name. Write a book. 🤣
 
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What happened to change her kind gentle heart to the c word?

Btw we are at 97k now!

I’m going to make one final thread suggestion! Someone else please make one, as many of you are more loquacious than me.
But since AE deleted one of her hateful tweets about her “supposed enemy” I came up with one more.
Tweet, Delete, Repeat.
I can't make a new thread. Can someone do it? I suggest Tweet and Delete, Rinse and Repeat.

Pearls - if you read through the whole thread it will make more sense. It's 50 pages though.
 
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I can't make a new thread. Can someone do it? I suggest Tweet and Delete, Rinse and Repeat.

Pearls - if you read through the whole thread it will make more sense. It's 50 pages though.
She can just view the threads with the most likes to start. Your suggestion sounds good to me!
 
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Could someone inform me of these edits? They seem to be a particularly prominent aspect of this madness, seeing as she keeps referencing past abuse by fans. What happened, exactly? Is it somewhere in this thread?
basically some people constantly edited her wiki with either unnecessary drama or wrong info (her doing porn for example), or pretty nasty comments

some examples: her whole wiki page was occasionally replaced by these sort of text blocks



or with not exactly impartial entries


those edits were in the weeks after the website went down in 2007. It was particulary bad around that time. But there was already before that stuff.

This is all why I'm rather amazed (okay, actually not, but you get what I mean) that she automatically assumes that those critical of her are the same people. C'mon, we aren't this bad!

I’m going to make one final thread suggestion! Someone else please make one, as many of you are more loquacious than me.
But since AE deleted one of her hateful tweets about her “supposed enemy” I came up with one more.
Tweet, Delete, Repeat.
lol, this is perfect
 
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Could someone inform me of these edits? They seem to be a particularly prominent aspect of this madness, seeing as she keeps referencing past abuse by fans. What happened, exactly? Is it somewhere in this thread?



Omg. You know what, forget the thread name. Write a book. 🤣
I have an idea for you that may help. Go back to March and read Welp’s posts. Start there.
 
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basically some people constantly edited her wiki with either unnecessary drama or wrong info (her doing porn for example), or pretty nasty comments



those edits were in the weeks after the website went down in 2007. It was particulary bad around that time. But there was already before that stuff.
This is all why I'm rather amazed (okay, actually not, but you get what I mean) that she automatically assumes that those critical of her are the same people. C'mon, we aren't this bad!
Oh I stand corrected again. It was 2007. And he did call his fans "despicable". In fact I think AE may have written that nasty email for him.

Anyway AE is in no position to get on her high horse over the wiki edits after what she called IG's mother. And all the other stuff she's said.

So who knows how to start a new thread??
 
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