Ioan Gruffudd & Alice Evans #78 Cancel ur ho abs my TRO

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I can categorically state that I didn’t and don’t want to deal with domestic drudgery. I outsource when I can and where I can afford. It doesn’t mean you don’t want to parent. If I had a full time housekeeper and a small house I would be seventh heaven. These trite and glib statements mean nothing. Lots of people don’t like housework and chose not to do it If they can. Alice had the choice and she didnt do it and she didn’t do any breadwinning either.
 
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Exactly this.
 
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I’d say that setting up celebs and especially actors as you heroes and moral heroes is generally a bad idea. They present themselves as they want to be seen as part of their job. It’s not who they are and like all humans they will be complex and flawed. As far as I can see they sit within the normal range of human frailties but who knows.

Ioan is not your average bloke from Wales with a nice smile and who is naive to the world. He might be affable but he didn‘t come up the Severn in a bubble. Neither did Bianca.

I am less concerned about his life with Bianca and where he places that in life priorities. I think like a lot of men he has a great deal of dedication to his career which is a vocation. He derives a lot from that. I spend a lot of time with those types (I‘m a slacker ) and my OH has a definite vocation. He would never say that came before his children but he worked very long hours in his heyday.

I don’t think Ioan wants to choose. I can’t blame him in some ways. He should be able to work, be a parent and have a girlfriend. But that’s not always an option in life.
 
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Exactly this!

As as CSA and DA (ex) survivor, the last thing I would want is some unknown, pontificating, arrogant, creepy little male barging into my life and trying to disempower me by assuming a position of "white knight" and taking over!

It's not just sheer audacity, it's another form of abuse - using someone's vulnerability to assume a position of power in their life, whether wanted or not, and then taking over.

Thing is, in the case of mAlice, it's two abusers together ganging up on a victim.

Absolute horrors, the pair of them!
 
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Well she's going to learn how to do it soon, unless the Disney executive comes through.
 
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Don’t let the door hit you on your way out
 
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She really gets my goat because I started my own business while staying at home with young kids. I had to change career path so I got a nanny in to help and put the hours in to create an alternative income. I’ve got a nice business and small team of staff now. (Go me! )

Alice had full time help the whole time. Not everyone is business orientated but what stopped her from getting a job or retraining for another career? Like many families my husband has always worked away for extended periods, so he was never involved in school stuff etc, it doesn’t make him any less of a dad. I’ve also never been ‘all alone’. My life and friendships continue while he’s away.

Her ‘narrative’ is self-absorbed nonsense and an insult to working mums, home making mums (who actually care for the home and kids) and hard working dads.

Alice is lazy. That’s all there is to her story. She wants Ioan’s cash so she can stay in bed, harassing him and Bianca on SM. She chose this life, she could have done anything she wanted, she chose to do nothing. All she wants is a lifelong meal ticket to finance her laziness and she’s determined to force that on Ioan.
 
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Absolutely this. I remember her behaviour then, and was a bit bemused that they were together. Ioan seemed to be a decent person, and she was most definitely not
 
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Having your choices removed from you by others is a hard blow, losing your options in life is something that happens to most people as they age - its harder to get jobs, can be harder to find a partner.

Having children always impacts on the woman harder, she doesn’t want to go back to work because she wants to be with her children, but may not have this choice. Most modern women cannot afford not to work. The world has evolved

Men currently still have more choices and options than women. I can see why other women are angry with Ioan and what he stands for - he has put himself and his own happiness first and by doing that has cut Alice off from some choices and options.

BUT Alice is also cutting herself off from choices/options, ON PURPOSE and for that I judge her, and I judge her hard. It’s ok to ‘speak out’ about it being hard to rebuild your life after divorce but she can’t speak out on that, because she has not done one fucking thing since he left with any of the options and choices she has left. We are all watching her, the window of opportunity is getting smaller with each year that passes in her life. She has done this second part to herself
 
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It may be that what Alice thought were her choices (SAHM, domestic help, etc) she has now learned were not her choices at all, but her soon to be ex-husband's who paid for them. If they were under her control, the divorce would not affect them. Instead, sad trombone.
 
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'Did he fundamentally want a new nubile smiling young thing on his arm?'

Ioan fundamentally didn't want to be married to Alice. Whoever he is with now is separate from that reality and the sooner Alice accepts that the sooner she might move on but she never will, she is going to 'dedicate the rest of her life' allowing her fury to eat her alive.
 
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