Yeah that was also a classic…..and the November 2021 meltdown on her verefieds lol
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“This separation is getting toxic…..”
Yeah that was also a classic…..and the November 2021 meltdown on her verefieds lolAnd thread two for the Bianca reveal!
“This separation is getting toxic…..”Me either and I started the damn thread.
I tell you one thing Alice has in abundance? Stamina! Never have I ever known anything like it.
My sister in law is an absolute loon, very similar to Alice with the abuse, gaslighting, manipulative behaviour but even she has times were she calms down and acts normal for a bit.
This is the thing. Have things gone too far to remedy? I had a friend whose relationship break down trajectory reminds me of Alice's. She too was in a 20+ year relationship and her partner left her for similar reasons to Ioan. From the outside, he seemed browbeaten and abused. He also had to go to court to get access, as she refused to let him see the children on spurious grounds.tbh it's well known that at a certain age removing children from the abusive parent and placing them with the estranged safe parent causes more harm than it ultimately solves it. In cases like this they often decide to neutralize the situation, i.e. placing them with a trusted third party and have them slowly rebuild with the parent (which in Ella's case may take until she is actually an adult). Sometimes they also just decide to leave them with the abusive parent and just enormously ramp up supportive intervention (like therapy or a 24 hour nanny).
These are all things the court typically doesnt decide on its own, that's why custody evaluations are useful.
I dont think - and I think I said this before - that Ioan wants a custody evaluation to increase his chances for custody. With California's 50-50 tendency, Alice's record and the DVRO the court would have granted joint and perhaps even sole custody if requested. He genuinely just wants the best. Alice doesnt, Alice just thinks she is by default the best.
Sadly I think the same, it will be really hard to establish any kind of relationship again especially if 50/50 custody is ordered as all she will do with her time with the girls is continue the PA. The damage has pretty much been done already and I can't see therapy working miracles either because she will be coaching them and pushing them for information all the time.This is the thing. Have things gone to far to remedy? I had a friend whose relationship break down trajectory reminds me of Alice's. She too was in a 20+ year relationship and her partner left her for similar reasons to Ioan. From the outside, he seemed browbeaten and abused. He also had to go to court to get access, as she refused to let him see the children on spurious grounds.
Their two children later stopped seeing him in defiance of the court ordered custody arrangement, so he went back to the courts to have access reinstated. Social services prepared reports for the court, and the reports made it clear that they believed she was entirely to blame for the complete breakdown of the children's relationship with their father. There were recommendations for supervised contact in contact centres to try to restore the relationship. However, in court, the judge decided not to make an order restoring contact despite him accepting that there had been PA. Essentially he said that it wouldn't be possible to force the children to see their father if they didn't want to because of their ages (they were 14 and 12 at the time).
So her PA has been successful, and ultimately has gone unpunished. And the children no longer have a relationship with their father. I know that this is in the UK, but sadly, I think that something similar will happen here. Like in my ex-friend's case though, when the children grow-up they will be able to see that their father tried his best to fight for them. I can't even begin to describe the contempt that I have for Alice. Putting her own hurt feelings above what's best for her children. She's a monster. I've said this before, but I'll say it again - I honestly don't know how she sleeps at night.
Why would anybody his age want to settle for living in garage and supporting a lay about, obsessed with online crap woman...who put him down while he paid their bills. She wanted out. Go get your better life. You lost his love.No comment from NL as yet however a few hours ago she was STILL going on about the BW reveal. FFS. It's interesting how the marriage was just a business arrangement. AE knew IG didn't love her but expected the arrangement to continue anyway with IG in the garage. What a fuckwit.
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Yup, we're seeing her reaction to the therapy that's taking place now through her socks. There's been absolutely no concession from Alice or any attempt to be conciliatory and make things work. She's never going to give up this fight, and as you say, she'll be carrying on the PA every day.Sadly I think the same, it will be really hard to establish any kind of relationship again especially if 50/50 custody is ordered as all she will do with her time with the girls is continue the PA. The damage has pretty much been done already and I can't see therapy working miracles either because she will be coaching them and pushing them for information all the time.
I actually think the worst is yet to come.
Is it too early for thread title nominations??Don't forget the "Transcripts of Hearsay”
Funny how new lips summarized that part
He's the son of a maths genius, isn't he? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Evans_(mathematician)That's an interesting place to put commas in a number.
Aggghh, always late to the party I am! Sleep! Fuck that! Who needs a reasonable few hours sleep when there is a feckin transcript to read!I just received the transcript.
It's 27 pages long so bear with me please, I'm going to start summarizing immediately.
Maybe the Evans kids were an afterthought to their parents in the same Alice treats her own kids as an afterthought.I still can't work out what's happened in that family.
Father = applied mathematician, top of the field.
Mother = teacher, top of the field.
Mother's brother = physicist, top of the field.
Alice = Alice.
Tone = Tone.
Phil = conspiracy theorist and anti-vaxxer. ie anti-science.
I thought maybe a defect from a grandparent that has skipped a generation.
But all 3/3 kids wouldn't get it and anyway what is it?
So I went to environmental contaminant/pollutant. Which is why I ended up with air pollution in Bristol in early 70's.
It is literally the only thing I can think of. Air pollution could do that to the brain of of a young'un and to bubs in utero.
It's all I got. Unless they were all foundlings, or all adopted, or all from some other parents somehow .....
Someone should do a case study ....
True question with respect. In the example of your friends, were both parents working and in a traceable way, contributing to the minors upkeep? Or did one rent a flat at an exorbitant rate in an exclusive neighborhood with no apparent means to support themselves? Alice is a very abnormal example and we know it’s October and no one has any idea how she plans to pay rent this month. What happens then? (Rhetorical). I think housing her kids with no income and no plan is going to get her before the custody trial does.This is the thing. Have things gone too far to remedy? I had a friend whose relationship break down trajectory reminds me of Alice's. She too was in a 20+ year relationship and her partner left her for similar reasons to Ioan. From the outside, he seemed browbeaten and abused. He also had to go to court to get access, as she refused to let him see the children on spurious grounds.
Their two children later stopped seeing him in defiance of the court ordered custody arrangement, so he went back to the courts to have access reinstated. Social services prepared reports for the court, and the reports made it clear that they believed she was entirely to blame for the complete breakdown of the children's relationship with their father. There were recommendations for supervised contact in contact centres to try to restore the relationship. However, in court, the judge decided not to make an order restoring contact despite him accepting that there had been PA. Essentially he said that it wouldn't be possible to force the children to see their father if they didn't want to because of their ages (they were 14 and 12 at the time).
So her PA has been successful, and ultimately has gone unpunished. And the children no longer have a relationship with their father. I know that this is in the UK, but sadly, I think that something similar will happen here. Like in my ex-friend's case though, when the children grow-up they will be able to see that their father tried his best to fight for them. I can't even begin to describe the contempt that I have for Alice. Putting her own hurt feelings above what's best for her children. She's a monster. I've said this before, but I'll say it again - I honestly don't know how she sleeps at night.
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