Ioan Gruffudd & Alice Evans #214 Too much filler compounded her speech, her lips got stuck on her teeth

[jesskell]

I must say, I’ve never been made to feel unwelcome here or any of my points not valid. I joined nearly two years ago and lurked for a good six months before that. I don’t post much but that’s because usually what I’m thinking has been covered by another turd and there’s no point repeating. I find this thread hilarious, heartwarming and heartbreaking in equal measure. I’m so glad I joined as I’ve ‘met’ a brilliant mix of differing personalities who are also respectful to each other
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Wish the transcript would hurry up. I am back at work Thursday after a month off sick so knowing my luck they will land then when I don't have time to keep up.

I must be too trusting as I never got the vibe that we had been infiltrated by one of Alice's FM. Makes sense that someone would plant themselves here I suppose but also proves how dumb they are that with all the receipts we have (thanks Welp) and all the information in the Wiki that they still believe Alice after spending time here (thick as fuck springs to mind).

The offer of doxing the socks had my spider senses tingling but I thought I was overthinking

 

[Hiraeth]

Snyder's of Hanover has been sullied by the association. Hmpf. They are still great pretzels.

I did enjoy suggesting that Snyders share a bag of pretzel crisps with Marcia, though. (Mad M looooves pretzel crisps.) She didn't "like" my comment, alas.

 

[Bridgeofsighs]

When extreme/OTT/highly insulting things said about Alice and the girls (beyond what is usually posted here) are then screenshot from here and put on Twitter as an example of how horrible and abusive Tattlers are, or when someone here offers to enlist someone else to doxx FMs, that’s when alarm bells start ringing.

So Snyders was M? I had a look at some of their posts and the alarm bells didn't ring. But it was a bit weird that they didn't know how many kids they had LOL. When Snyders wanted jail for Ella I was thinking, eh, that's going too far but it didn't occur to me she was a FM in disguise. Snyders has disappeared which backs up that it was an fly by FM.

Honestly I don't care what AE and her scumbag FMs think of us. I don't need their approval. If they want to play stupid games, then they win stupid prizes. Is AE going to screenshot Snyders (aka M) and present it at court? Fine. They will FAAFO. No one in that court gives a fuck what people on an anonymous forum post besides Alice.

 

[chasingsunsets11]

Again talking about Bianca and her selfies:

Meanwhile Alice:

btw just wanna make it clear that a person can post as many selfies as one wants but here's the thing.. Why are they only criticising Bianca for it? If she is "delusional" because she's posting selfies, what does that make Alice? Can someone explain that to me.

 

[Hiraeth]

Genuine question for those of you who were raised by narc parents--did you know that your parent was OTT or did their behavior just feel normal to you? If it was difficult, was there some kind of refuge that you found? Friends, sports, other activites? What helped you develop coping skills?

The reason I ask is that I think about the two girls and wonder how much of Alice's behavior feels normal to them. With both of them back in school, I hope they experience respite and develop perspective from being away from her mother and around other people.

For me, we were deliberately isolated from others so we couldn't realize how abnormal the behavior was. No sleepovers, summer camp, going over to friends' houses (it helped that I was an enormous nerd and didn't have any friends). When we did interact with others, we were grilled about what we had said about our family lives. I didn't fully realize the dysfunction until I moved out. I coped by reading The Lord of the Rings over and over (I was pretty much raised by Tolkien, haha). I was the stereotypical "good child" just to avoid rocking the boat.

I feel a lot of sympathy for the girls because I know a small part of what they're going through and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

 

[Loveu2]

Lupine will be no help to Alice's cause for a while. He's otherwise engaged.

 

[M33L4]

This has to be a crime against fashion.

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What in the MC hammer meets the Genie from Aladdin is going on here??

 

[Autisteuse]

I just hate, hate, hate the fact that Snyders and Malice used poor Ella, a vulnerable, unhappy, messed up young teen as Tattle fodder. That S. deliberately ranted about the child being sent to prison to try to ‘catch us out’. I’m just so glad that so many Turds saw her posts as entirely OTT and inappropriate, and didn’t give Malice the catharsis she craves by victimising the child. I’ve been on Ella’s ‘side’ from the start - I was an “Ella” myself as a teen because I was so appallingly unhappy as a teen - and while she indeed needs discipline and structure, she needs kindness and structure equally if not more. And she’s not going to get it from a woman who would sacrifice her daughter on the altar of her own vanity. It’s absolutely heartbreaking. I’m childfree and gladly so, but were I a parent I would do my damndest to protect and shield my child from hurt, pain, ridicule and embarrassment. I shouldn’t be shocked by anything Malice does, ever, but this really is a new low. How on earth is Ella ever supposed to have any self-esteem if her nine month hotel is willing to serve her up to the women on a site she claims is the epitome of evil and cruelty? Malice needs a short, sharo shock frim Judge Josh [Alice CAPS] RIGHT NOW. Every single day Ella and Elsie are with that woman, the more they are poisoned by her endless bitterness and hatred.

@StewPots and @M33L4: stay pottymouthed, pleased. As one who enjoys an occasional tirade, I find it reassuring that I’m not the only one to use terms like [narco]cunt (plus turbocunt, übercunt, cuntwaffle &c) when it comes to describing Ms Evans. And it’s FUNNY.

I was pondering whether Snyders should come back here and [Alice CAPS] SHOW HERSELF, but on second thoughts - nah. We don’t need to be around someone who colluded with the Worst Mother in the World™️ to verbally abuse her child.

 

[Invictus]

I have to say, I was unreasonably annoyed by Snyders Bore da..I kept thinking, that's what Pearls says, why are you copying pearls? I really did chalk it up to me being pissy though and never in a million would think it was an FM with some long game in mind. It's just so incomprehensible to me. Really? You're so invested you're taking months out of your time to what? Get 1 tweet that has a reaction? Get bragging rights that you fooled people who we kind and empathetic (not the win you actually think it is). I get I'm somewhat invested in this since I post and read here, but like everyone else, there's a life outside of this. We sometimes talk about it, but frankly most here aren't fully open due to the doxxing of Alice's minions. I see people being much more up front about their locations and identifying details in other threads and I was shocked...then I realized those threads aren't dealing with utter psychotic and juvenile twats like Alice and FMs. The whole Twitter/X/sock thing..it feels so high school, mean girl. Which frankly is why it doesn't get a ton of reaction. The stuff being posted isn't coming from a rational or mature perspective. It also keeps backfiring. The definition of insanity and all that...

 

[Hiraeth]

Ioan would prefer a potato to Alice

As would we all. Potatoes are nutritious, sustaining, and can be prepared many different ways. Alice, by contrast, is toxic, draining, and repetitive.

 

[Bridgeofsighs]

I don't think she was ever anything special either, she has always looked hard faced and yeh she was slim but her figure wasn't anything special.

Well she was good looking but so are lots of people. She was never that special and her resting bitch face gave her personality away not to mention all the gormless open mouth shots that gave me the ick.

Anyway I agree that this should be a partial rave thread to keep all the FMs happy. FMs, feel free to heap praise upon your batshit Queen here. I won't mind, in fact, I'll get the ball rolling.

Alice deeply cares about supporting people who have MS. As proof, here she is at a Race to Erase MS fundraiser wearing a divine ensemble.

 

[Hiraeth]

I am who I say I am. I’m Canadian, from a town near the arctic basin. I’m redneck bordering on white trash lol.

I lived in London for many years. Until a parent just like Alice, raised a child that in very, very young adulthood, became my family’s (every families) worst nightmare. I won’t go into it all here, most know, but I am happy to answer any questions on the other thread. I have outed myself but that’s because, on top of the nightmare, it was splashed all over the front pages, every news channel and all over social media….and I thought it was needed for Hiraeth to get documents.
I could compare Helga (Nightmare’s mother) to Alice as the similarities from what I know about both mothers is, for me, chilling. I won’t, because my situation is the extreme end of what can happen and I know in the majority of cases, the children become good adults, albeit with issues.
My discrepancies are that I speak with Canadian and English vernacular and if anyone else has noticed anything, again, happy to answer any q’s over there.

Anyhow, my main point is that a lot of people in my life are happy that I’ve found this site. Doxxing me is futile because this thread has taught me to behave better on social media and talking shit here is the healthiest outlet I have as a distraction….my friends and family would say “We’re glad she’s on tattle talking shit about Alice. She laughs more, she learns a lot and it seems to keep her from going on a rampage.”
Bring on another day of the crazy Alice train and more importantly, the jokes that help us (me) to cope! 🤍

We love you, @Old Soak. Very grateful that you choose to spend your time with us Turds and I wish I knew you in real life!

I have language discrepancies too due to learning English as a second language, and being a big fan of certain British authors, so I definitely give people a lot of grace for that.

Since Alice's camp is all about justice and fairness, they are going to withdraw the faux "Tattle" posts from Twitter since those posts were made under false pretenses and don't represent the actual views of our members, right? Right?
(If not, off to the list of lies!)

 

[Raz Cat]

I can't help but wonder how much fear, and guilt Alice has used on Ella to get her accept the exposure of her most private moments in a therapy session. I know Alice has used the girls as props throughout this whole affair, especially the anguish porn shoot after court, but this just seems like a new shot across the bow. Alice has intertwined her feelings, and actions, with her daughter's to such a degree I don't even know if Ella realizes how wrong what is happening to her is. Gaining complicity from the girls gives her control over them. If Ella is to benefit from these appointments she has to learn to trust the process, and that includes the right to privacy, and the right to disagree with both her parents if she sees fit. I hope Ioan and the GAL address these "leaks" soon, before Alice is able to undermine the whole plan.

 

[M33L4]

Tell you what’ll hurt more, Ioan wants absolutely nothing to do with her. And when the girls realise who she is, neither will they.

 

[What's your point]

Reading all this makes me realise how gullible I am

 

[IKickLikeKatya]

Look at these two cuties in real life. Nearly two years since going official and going strong.

 

[M33L4]

Very true! Without doxxing myself, one of my ancestors was a Griffiths who emigrated from Ceredigion to Pennsylvania. Am I related to Ioan?


Genuine question for those of you who were raised by narc parents--did you know that your parent was OTT or did their behavior just feel normal to you? If it was difficult, was there some kind of refuge that you found? Friends, sports, other activites? What helped you develop coping skills?

The reason I ask is that I think about the two girls and wonder how much of Alice's behavior feels normal to them. With both of them back in school, I hope they experience respite and develop perspective from being away from her mother and around other people.

It wasn’t until I left home at 18 I saw her for who she was. Until then I genuinely thought she was a fun mum. Becoming one myself under actual difficult circumstances unlike her situation where she victimised herself so much was the first sign. So much so that I coped with a very serious situation with ease, I was so used to her woe is me act that I didn’t quite understand how difficult my life was back then. I had a child after a serious SA I noticed she didn’t have many actual friends and the ones she had were only transactional for her. I feel for certain Alice’s girls will see this for themselves soon. It wasn’t spoken about almost thirty years ago when I experienced it.

 

[Mad Betty]

I agree with you in almost everything. However, this is an open forum and everyone can post. If they have ulterior motives, so be it. It’s their problem.

I’d like to remind everyone of the definition of bullying: “the behaviour of a person who hurts or frightens someone smaller or less powerful, often forcing that person to do something they do not want to do”. By definition, no one here bullies Alice or her FMs because we don’t have direct contact with them. As a result, we cannot cause them any harm or force them to do anything. We simply comment on what they chose to make public or official court documents.

If, on the contrary, someone comes here and interacts with us, with the intent to harm some or all of us, then that could be seen as bullying.

Thank you for this. You said what I have been thinking myself.

I also agree with much of what @Ametrine said and appreciate the thoughtfulness that went into her post.

I will continue to be kind and accepting of people who join here. I won't let people who post to disrupt or try and cause harm shift how I hold space for others here.

I think AE is a bully and encourages others to bully. This is my informed opinion based on her own SM posts and behavior. I recall her post directed at me on her Insta where she spoke to Mad Betty directly. I'm sure to send her followers to harass me I assume. I have never had contact with her nor have any desire to engage directly. She has certainly made it clear she's a committed Tattler herself by all of her references to Tattle members and things posted she herself reads here, though her most ardent supporters just swear never reads Tattle.

AE certainly directed me here with her DM article and then Twitter posts. I'd never even heard of this site before. I am also only on these threads. I am always fascinated by her with this site. Don't like it? Keep is moving. No need to read these threads or send FMs on expeditions.

I personally welcome anyone who would like to respectfully discuss this case (which it is now) and those involved. Why not?

Again, my opinion. I can be tough nut, but I believe I'm a fair one.

I don't respect people creating personas and pretending to be people/professions they are not either. I have seen that here as well. It's not just FMs. I personally like to keep it real.

MOO

 

[Ralphiegirl]

I know we've kinda been following along with our jaws on the floor... but when you step back and think about how udderly insane this behaviour is from a grown-ass adult/ mother of 2, it's on a whole new level. Sending in spies to chat amongst a gossip-site and trolling your own children.... I know she has been doing this for years... but wtf. She's a seriously mentally unwell chicken. I'm invested again.

 

[Autisteuse]

So Snyders was M? I had a look at some of their posts and the alarm bells didn't ring. But it was a bit weird that they didn't know how many kids they had LOL. When Snyders wanted jail for Ella I was thinking, eh, that's going too far but it didn't occur to me she was a FM in disguise. Snyders has disappeared which backs up that it was an fly by FM.

Honestly I don't care what AE and her scumbag FMs think of us. I don't need their approval. If they want to play stupid games, then they win stupid prizes. Is AE going to screenshot Snyders (aka M) and present it at court? Fine. They will FAAFO. No one in that court gives a fuck what people on an anonymous forum post besides Alice.

How depressing and wearisome it is to have to deal with these smooth-brained prats. The one thing that surprised me about this user - ain’t hindsight grand? - was that they went off on Ella, talking about prison and punishment and basically making the poor misguided child seem like Lizzie Borden, but when I responded and pointed out that Ella’s trauma-bonded, isn’t living in a ‘normal’, stable environment and has experienced very different parental ‘authority’ under Malice’s supervision for the past two years, S. started immediately talking about trauma-bonding too. I just thought she’d changed her tune.
It’s a valuable learning experience for me, as a neurodivergent woman, to not get too cosy with other posters - but oh, how I do hate it when our lovely, closeknit community is infiltrated by these amoral and untrustworthy creatures. I wonder if there’ll be another spate of doxxing now? Word to the wise, FMs - if anyone tries to doxx me, I’ll sue them for absolutely everything they have. I will go mediaeval on their arse. Not playing.
On a lighter note, I went out with a German chap whilst doing my first degree. Could he have been Welp? Did I go out with Welp for a whole two months? Oh, the conversations we could have had!
We need this transcript asap. I have the feeling that something in it has triggered the be-lipped one beyond her very feeble levels of tolerance and caused her to be even more erratic and febrile than usual.
Good night, all. And @OldBookish, thank you so much for the comforting words in the last thread; ditto dear @Hiraeth. All your words of encouragement are so comforting, you can’t imagine. I’m alone this week and stuck in the house with the cat (sample conversation with Cat: ‘no, darling, don’t eat that dead fly.’ *Cat eats dead fly, yacks it up and comes to sit on my foot.* ‘Serves you right: don’t eat things off the ground.’ *Cat begins to gnaw the ivy*), so having thirty pages of posts to focus on has been wonderful. Love to all.

ETA That Chickenscab sock stole my [Alice CAPS] line. I should sue.