Ioan Gruffudd & Alice Evans #196 Sure, Jan

[NarcRage]

I love that judge and the way he treated this child.

He's talked her down from it. Which is what Alice should have done.

 

[Bridgeofsighs]

She definitely thought she could just rock up and just address the court herself, probably planning to regale with the judge with all sorts of irrelevant nonsense. His response so far seems to be shut up and sit down.

Yep Alice thought she could be Ella's Counsel. She didn't want an attorney stealing her limelight. She would die with ecstacy at the thought of cross examining BW.

"Do you, Bogan Ho, admit that that you stole Baby Angel from his loving family?"

 

[I_dream_of_Snyders]

Wow.

Alice really did feed her own daughter to the wolves.

 

[brie l]

Bore da Tattlers.

I knew she would try the suicide card, that was always going to be her last play. She's a pathetic sicko.

Alice, you were in your thirties when you lost your mother. Be thankful you had her for your childhood, some us didn't have a mother growing up. Killing your own mother off earlier than she actually died is sick even for Alice. She needs sectioning, especially now she's a potential 'suicide risk'. And for people who have lost loved ones to suicide, this again from Alice is despicable. I literally hate the woman.

As someone who lost a parent to suicide when I was a child, for me this is when Alice really hits below the belt. Whether it's grief stealing her sisters death or gaining sympathy and shock value from her potential own death.

Some days it makes me angry and some days I can't be bothered. Guess this morning it just makes me sad. Later I'm going to ring my other parent who is still alive and tell them I love them and what an amazing job they did as a single parent who went through such an horrific event, not just a shitty run of the mill divorce.

I know Alice can't do this, ring her father just to talk to him. And that's on Alice. Not being able to co-parent with her ex is on Alice. Not having well adjusted children who don't need extensive therapy is on Alice. Not having a job and a network of real life friends is on Alice. And not having a fulfilling and meaningful life past 50 is on Alice.

This shit show is all because of Alice. You totally fail as a decent human being Alice.

 

[Ninas purse]

Okay. I've attached the full court transcript summary if anyone wants it.

And here is a download link:


My eyes are crossing with all this typing so someone please add to the legal document portion of the wiki, please and thank you. ‍

I have no words. At the crucial moment, when Ella was set to testify, that coward abandoned her. She a monster, she doesn't deserve to be called a mother.

 

[TheMogadon]

She’s such a bastard. Talking over people and simply insisting that her loud mooing from the back be heard. Just fuck off.

 

[AnneinHever]

So the mother of the century abandoned her daughter alone in the courtroom because things weren’t going the way she wanted. I can’t begin to imagine what happened later at home.
Of course Gloria was not accepted as a witness. I told them that for free when they filed the stupid ROs. And Elsa’s friend’s father refused to be a witness…Keep listening to Loopy and the FMs, Malice. You’re doing a great job!

 

[Old Soak]

Alice never reads here. Loser.

View attachment 2346831

Hi Alice. How many times did you tweet?

 

[NarcRage]

It's interesting the judge is saying the overnight wasn't a good idea.
Whose idea was it ?
Ah that's right. Alice's

 

[Mad Betty]

IG's additional new lawyer is family law specific. He's doing all the right things. Good for him.

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[barre19]

That's so sweet, all of you. Our Turd family is the best. I can only speak for myself, but I'd prefer in lieu of contributions for people to donate to an MS charity if they feel so inclined.

It is done Thank you, Hiraeth and ButterTart, for this actual public service you’re performing here. I have so much more to say, but the kids are awake so I’m off to be a mother

 

[M33L4]

The judge telling Alice to basically sit the fuck down and shut up. And yet she persists on shaming Ioan on Twitter like this was never going to be made public.
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Has the dog-cunt started up about this yet?

 

[Lulugrace]

The irony of Ella saying she doesn’t think Bianca meant to hurt her but then filing a restraining order against her Alice is fucked!

Yep, I hope the judge asks her why/what made her (in that case) decide to file for an RO.
Answer: my mum made me
I think those photos outside the court was on the lunchbreak and the reality of what she (Ella) had done - the RO dawned on her...all the prep work mAlice did coaching her what to say in court etc, fell away. You can see that Ella is starting to crumble, the judge being kind to her, was probably her undoing, hence her backtracking with her answers. I think she realised you cannot lie in court.
Alice is a wicked and spiteful woman

 

[BingoFlamingo]

Christ on a bike. Alice has just shown this to be her doing by her interruptions. Poor Ella too, she’s clearly out of her league here. Fucking Alice making her do this.

 

[kingseven]

I’m sad that it’s now been a week since I saw the Barbie movie and Loopy hasn’t even bothered to explain it to me and tell me how I, as a woman, should feel about it.

 

[SusanC]

-PART 3-

Ella then stated that she was okay with not showing the video.

The Judge asked if there was anything else Ella wanted to present. Ella said no. Bianca’s lawyer asked the Judge to make sure Ella was agreeing to have the evidence that was filed in the matter be the only evidence that the Judge would consider. The Judge asked Ella if she had read Bianca’s declaration. Ella said she had not. The Judge asked Ella to read Bianca’s declaration and let him know if she objected to it being used as evidence. He explained that an objection was not whether she agreed with what the declaration said, but whether she objected to whether it could be used as evidence. Ella said “Okay” and read the declaration.

The Judge then asked for Ella to be shown Ioan’s declaration. Bianca’s attorney Gregory Jessner stated that they were only wanting to use the part of the declaration that addressed the events of May 26, since the rest of Ioan’s declaration contained other items that pertained to the DVRO request against him. The Judge agreed and asked that Ella be shown the entirety of Ioan’s declaration, but that the only part of the declaration he would consider that day was the part about May 26. Bianca’s attorney showed Ella the declaration and Ella read it. The Judge then asked for Bianca’s attorney to show Ella the doctor’s declaration. Ella read it. Ella was then shown Ms. Braydon’s declaration. Ella read it. The Judge asked Ella whether it was okay if he treated the declarations as those individuals’ testimony. Ella said “yes.”

The Judge asked Bianca’s attorney and Ella whether there was anything else they wanted him to know about or think about. Both said no.

The Judge told Ella that what he decided that day was not a reflection on her character, or who she was, or what he thinks about her—it was whether or not what is alleged qualifies as civil harassment. So the results today, he said, aren’t reflective of what he thinks of Ella as a person. Ella said she understood.

The Judge told Ella that May 26 was a really unfortunate day. He said that when parents are getting a divorce, that is really hard on kids, and “it’s really hard when you have two people that you love so much and they’re not getting along well, and for you to have to figure out how to navigate that is not easy.” The Judge said that the impression he got was that Ella and her sister were not really on board with meeting Bianca and they “had some big feelings about that.” He said he was trying to acknowledge Ella and Elsie’s feelings, and the question for him was, “did Dad and Ms. Wallace’s reactions to that, did it cross the line?”

The Judge said that it sounded to him like Ella and Elsie were not at all thrilled to go to their Dad’s house, and that they probably felt like the visit was being imposed on them. He said to Ella, “And then, I don’t think you even dispute that your reaction to that was maybe less than productive; right? Talking to your friend on the phone, and maybe saying things that weren’t so nice and getting the milk and pouring it on the bed, and the mustard around the kitchen, and things like that.”

The Judge said, “But you tell me. For instance, in your declaration…you tell me in your declaration that…’the respondent and my dad were calling me manipulative, abusive and narcissistic.’ I think they dispute that.

Ella: “What does that mean?”

Judge: “So remember what I said kind of that 50/50 deal, right?...And so, what I also am thinking to myself what if that were true? What if someone had come into their house and was pouring milk around and spraying mustard around and talking on the phone and being disrespectful? Would a reaction to that, in saying, ‘You’re being abusive, you’re being narcissistic, you’re being manipulative,’ would that be abuse or would that be a reasonable reaction to somebody spraying mustard around your kitchen and pouring milk on your bed? I think it would be a reasonable reaction.”

Ella: “Yes.”

Judge: “I really do.”

Ella: “I agree.”

Judge: “I’m just being really honest with you. So, then, we pivot to the whole door incident.”

Ella: “Yes.”

Judge: “Okay. And it sounds like Ms. Wallace is at the door and at that point you were, like, I’m done, I’m out of here, this is not good, I’m leaving. And as I understand it, you kind of darted out the door and the door closed on your arm, according to you; correct?”

Ella: “It closed on my arm and hit my head.”

Judge: “Closed on your arm and hit your head. So then—then the question becomes, did—if that is true, did Ms. Wallace do that—was there a legitimate purpose. Let’s take a step back and think about that. She’s an adult. She’s dating dad. You and your sister are at dad’s house. I get it you don’t want to be there. I totally understand that, and we live in a major metropolitan area and you’re upset and you’re dysregulated and you’re about to run out and if she tried to close the door and it caught you. That’s very different than kind of waiting for you to go by and then slamming it to hurt you. And given how I read the papers and how I—using my own common sense and my own reason, it seems to me that if the door hit you—and let’s assume it did, if the door hit you—your arm and your head, did she do it to hurt you or to harm you or to threaten you or did she—was a legitimate reason. Like, I don’t think it’s a good idea for a 13-year-old—and your sister’s, what, 9?”

Ella: “Yes.”

Judge: “—a 9-year-old to run out in a dysregulated state. Like, my job is to make sure she’s safe, right? And I don’t think she did it to hurt you. I mean, this is somebody who wants to cook with me. I’m not saying that you have to cook with her, okay. This is somebody who wants to introduce the dog to you. I’m not saying I didn’t know the dog; right? This is somebody that is with Dad, whether you like it or not, that’s just happening; right? And so, I’m just thinking, would a person want to do that to another person’s child on the first time out of the box meeting you.”

Judge: “I don’t think that was what was happening. I think at best she was just trying to close the door to keep everybody safe, that’s my strong belief, and I believe when I read her testimony there’s no indication that she tried to do it maliciously. I think you’re saying that that was the effect when you were trying to leave, that the door hit you. But I don’t think you accuse her of purposely slamming; is that right? Is that fair?”

Ella: “Yeah, I’m not saying that she did. I don’t know myself.”

-END OF PART 3-

So Ella admits she doesn't know if Bianca was trying to hurt her.

you accuse her of purposely slamming; is that right? Is that fair?”

Ella: “Yeah, I’m not saying that she did. I don’t know myself.

 

[kingseven]

This is heart-breaking to read

 

[SamFoxStuckinaCloak]

And feeling she has to protect her mum who ‘also has a medical condition and it’s hard for her too’.

I actually GASPED when I read Ella said that about Alice’s medical condition. In that one sentence, the judge and everyone could immediately see how much Alice has been feeding those girls, involving them in adult situations she really shouldn’t have. Poor poor Ella. The whole charade has been an own goal for Alice.

 

[Lulugrace]

In an expected turn of events, I've been attacked by a fox! Currently in A&E, waiting to be looked at
Thought I'd catch up on the latest but the service is sooooooo shite, that it's taking ages to load the pages

 

[Ametrine]

Lol