She definitely thought she could just rock up and just address the court herself, probably planning to regale with the judge with all sorts of irrelevant nonsense. His response so far seems to be shut up and sit down.
Ioan Gruffudd & Alice Evans #196 Sure, Jan
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That first part of the transcript is depressing. Poor Ella, completely out of her depth and put there by her witch of a mother.
Mummy told her, file this and you won’t have to see the bogan again, and daddy will have to come to our house to see you.
God, it’s just so SAD. Ella is so young and clueless. What Malice is doing to her is absolutely evil.
No, she blamed Ioan and Anne for quoting some law and making sure she didn’t get a court appointed attorney. Which is clearly a lie. She’s told more than once the judge can’t appoint one.
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I don’t see that at all. I see an abused child who was thrown to the wolves by her mother.
Happy anniversary to you @TheMogadon and Mr Mogadon
Thank you same to you! He got tired of waiting for me to finish on here and shag him so I’ll have to make it up to him tomorrow.
Open mouthed at part 1 of that transcript. Holy bleeping Christ alive.
How very dare you
Yeah I'm not waiting either
I do know what you mean, and there is definitely some truth to this. But I think Ella (and Alice) badly miscalculated the situation. So she may have gone in all full of bravado (encouraged in this by Alice of course) thinking she would have the judge in the palm of her hand, but it looks like she was disabused of this notion pretty quickly.
Right. Because your average 13 year old has an encyclopedic knowledge of the law and is a master manipulator of the entire courtroom, including a distinguished judge. Nothing to do with Malice at all.
Sure, Jan.
She didn't even bother to hire a lawyer for Ella, despite clearly encouraging her to do this and helping fill out all the paperwork for the RO request. It was one court appearance. She had access to money. She could have easily gotten Ella a lawyer.
JFC, she threw that child under the bus. And then tried to publicly blame IG for it?
There is no bottom.
MOO.
JFC, she threw that child under the bus. And then tried to publicly blame IG for it?
There is no bottom.
MOO.
My favorite bit so far
Judge: “Huh?”
Judge: “Huh?”
@Hiraeth wrote “Anne Kiley states that Ella had every opportunity to have someone represent her; that Ella and her mother prepared the papers with someone’s help; and that Ella brought the request for the restraining order and appeared to seek the restraining order. She could have hired an attorney and she hasn’t.”
Bets on loopy, the Texan, or the opioid activist lady “author” helping prepare form ? And then AE trying to present it to lawyer Marie Pharoahly who promptly said “and this is where we part ways now that my fee is paid up”. AE is a twit. If there was any merit to her daughter’s injury why didn’t she procure a lawyer ?
Bets on loopy, the Texan, or the opioid activist lady “author” helping prepare form ? And then AE trying to present it to lawyer Marie Pharoahly who promptly said “and this is where we part ways now that my fee is paid up”. AE is a twit. If there was any merit to her daughter’s injury why didn’t she procure a lawyer ?
I think there was a narrative across the pre trial socks that ROs are given out willy nilly by courts and judges so Ella was under the nightmare of Alice thinking the same. I really don't think Ella knew it would be a trial or that Bianca would have a former US attorney to defend her.
I imagine Alice thought it would be Yo throwing over Bianca as to not have Ella go through this.
I imagine Alice thought it would be Yo throwing over Bianca as to not have Ella go through this.
Several times and we're only on part one. The dumb fucker really thought they we're going to get representation on the day. I wonder if Marie pointed this out to her, before they parted ways...probably, but as usual mAlice knows best
How can she put her child through this, getting her to ransack the flat and push Bianca about, then get her to lie on an RO application.
She doesn't deserve to be a mother
Maybe I'll pose in a bikini on a high wire at Eden Roc!How very dare you
Not sure why you can't disagree without being so rude @Autisteuse. We read the transcript differently but your response was nasty.
Malice had a lawyer who states that she’s an expert in ROs. Guess what, she fired that lawyer before filing her daughter’s requests.
PART 2
Ella nods affirmatively.
Judge: “Okay. And then, the flipside of that, of course, is that I would presume that we have to resolve this issue—that is, was there domestic violence or not, before we can have the custody hearing. Is that not right or wrong? I think that’s right.”
Anne Kiley states that she would also oppose a continuance and that there are complicated issues in the dissolution proceeding, which Ella is not part of, such as the influence and “the problems in the case and why she’s here.” Anne Kiley states that “there are serious issues that need to be dealt with in the dissolution proceeding. Frankly, there are reasons that this case should be in dependency court, not because Ms. Wallace or Mr. Gruffudd are child abusers, but because we believe that Ella and her sister are victims of abuse by their mom. So we’re—”
Alice again interrupts the court.
Alice: “Oh my God!”
Anne Kiley: “We want—”
Judge: “Please. Please. I’m going to ask everybody to refrain.”
Alice: “No. It—it—”
Judge: “No. No. No. There’s no “No.” Please just—everybody keep your composure. Go ahead, counsel.”
Anne Kiley: “Family Code 3044 applies as it relates to Ms. Evans, because we have a restraining order against her, and the situation is so horrible for the family—”
Alice interrupts again but her words are unintelligible to the court reporter because she is speaking at the same time as Anne Kiley.
Anne Kiley: “—that we want it heard today. And we oppose the continuance.”
Gregory Jessner: “Your Honor, if I may. I agree with what Ms. Kiley said. I should add, my client, unfortunately, does suffer from a very serious medical condition. She has M.S. and the stress of this proceeding is debilitating for her, and she needs to get this past so she can reclaim her health, your Honor. So I do, for that reason, very strongly oppose a continuance to the extent that one is requested.”
The Judge states that he will read the case over a little closer and asks Ella if she is asking the court for a continuance and, if so, if she intends to hire a lawyer. Ella responds, “I’d like to hire a lawyer. Yeah.” The Judge inquires whether Ella has the ability to get counsel. Ella responds, “I think so, yeah.”
The Judge states that Anne Kiley makes a good point, that this is a well-noticed hearing, that Ella or someone on her behalf put together a fairly comprehensive pleading, and that he has to weigh Ella’s interest in getting her case effectively tried against Bianca’s interest in getting some finality in light of her medical condition and the hardship a delay would cause her.
Ella: “Could I also add, my mom also has a medical condition?”
Alice interrupts the court again.
Alice: “Thank you.”
Ella: “My mom also has a medical condition that’s like—it’s hard for her as well.”
Judge: “Right. Except your mom—I don’t mean to sound insensitive, okay, but your mom isn’t a party—”
Ella: “Okay. I’m sorry.”
Judge: “—to the two cases that we’re dealing with today. Okay?”
Alice: “We tried. I tried to, but she’s over—she’s over 12.”
Ella: “My mom—”
Judge (to Alice): “I just—I can’t hear from you. You don’t have standing right now, ma’am.”
Alice: “Go ahead.”
Ella: “All I knew was that I had to file it because I was over the age of 12. But I didn’t—like, anything I was supposed to do. So like, I didn’t know I was supposed to get an attorney or anything.”
Judge: “You don’t have to get an attorney.”
Ella: “Okay.”
Judge: “I want to be clear with you. I just want to make sure—you’re a child in the midst of a highly contentious divorce between your parents, and I want to make sure that what you’re doing here today, whether it happens today or it happens at a later date, I want to make sure that what’s happening is in your best interests and that you really want it.”
Ella: “Okay. Thank you.”
Judge: “And that this isn’t a subtext to something else. That’s my concern.”
Ella: “Okay.”
The Judge asks if there is anything else the parties wish to discuss before breaking for lunch and then diving deeper into the two issues after lunch. Hearing nothing, the court adjourns for lunch.
~Noon Recess~
-END OF PART 2-
Ella nods affirmatively.
Judge: “Okay. And then, the flipside of that, of course, is that I would presume that we have to resolve this issue—that is, was there domestic violence or not, before we can have the custody hearing. Is that not right or wrong? I think that’s right.”
Anne Kiley states that she would also oppose a continuance and that there are complicated issues in the dissolution proceeding, which Ella is not part of, such as the influence and “the problems in the case and why she’s here.” Anne Kiley states that “there are serious issues that need to be dealt with in the dissolution proceeding. Frankly, there are reasons that this case should be in dependency court, not because Ms. Wallace or Mr. Gruffudd are child abusers, but because we believe that Ella and her sister are victims of abuse by their mom. So we’re—”
Alice again interrupts the court.
Alice: “Oh my God!”
Anne Kiley: “We want—”
Judge: “Please. Please. I’m going to ask everybody to refrain.”
Alice: “No. It—it—”
Judge: “No. No. No. There’s no “No.” Please just—everybody keep your composure. Go ahead, counsel.”
Anne Kiley: “Family Code 3044 applies as it relates to Ms. Evans, because we have a restraining order against her, and the situation is so horrible for the family—”
Alice interrupts again but her words are unintelligible to the court reporter because she is speaking at the same time as Anne Kiley.
Anne Kiley: “—that we want it heard today. And we oppose the continuance.”
Gregory Jessner: “Your Honor, if I may. I agree with what Ms. Kiley said. I should add, my client, unfortunately, does suffer from a very serious medical condition. She has M.S. and the stress of this proceeding is debilitating for her, and she needs to get this past so she can reclaim her health, your Honor. So I do, for that reason, very strongly oppose a continuance to the extent that one is requested.”
The Judge states that he will read the case over a little closer and asks Ella if she is asking the court for a continuance and, if so, if she intends to hire a lawyer. Ella responds, “I’d like to hire a lawyer. Yeah.” The Judge inquires whether Ella has the ability to get counsel. Ella responds, “I think so, yeah.”
The Judge states that Anne Kiley makes a good point, that this is a well-noticed hearing, that Ella or someone on her behalf put together a fairly comprehensive pleading, and that he has to weigh Ella’s interest in getting her case effectively tried against Bianca’s interest in getting some finality in light of her medical condition and the hardship a delay would cause her.
Ella: “Could I also add, my mom also has a medical condition?”
Alice interrupts the court again.
Alice: “Thank you.”
Ella: “My mom also has a medical condition that’s like—it’s hard for her as well.”
Judge: “Right. Except your mom—I don’t mean to sound insensitive, okay, but your mom isn’t a party—”
Ella: “Okay. I’m sorry.”
Judge: “—to the two cases that we’re dealing with today. Okay?”
Alice: “We tried. I tried to, but she’s over—she’s over 12.”
Ella: “My mom—”
Judge (to Alice): “I just—I can’t hear from you. You don’t have standing right now, ma’am.”
Alice: “Go ahead.”
Ella: “All I knew was that I had to file it because I was over the age of 12. But I didn’t—like, anything I was supposed to do. So like, I didn’t know I was supposed to get an attorney or anything.”
Judge: “You don’t have to get an attorney.”
Ella: “Okay.”
Judge: “I want to be clear with you. I just want to make sure—you’re a child in the midst of a highly contentious divorce between your parents, and I want to make sure that what you’re doing here today, whether it happens today or it happens at a later date, I want to make sure that what’s happening is in your best interests and that you really want it.”
Ella: “Okay. Thank you.”
Judge: “And that this isn’t a subtext to something else. That’s my concern.”
Ella: “Okay.”
The Judge asks if there is anything else the parties wish to discuss before breaking for lunch and then diving deeper into the two issues after lunch. Hearing nothing, the court adjourns for lunch.
~Noon Recess~
-END OF PART 2-
She threw her own daughter under the bus in a pathetic attempt to get back at her ex-husband.
I'd say there's a special place in Hell reserved for Alice but Hell's too good for her, the abusive piece of tit.
I'd say there's a special place in Hell reserved for Alice but Hell's too good for her, the abusive piece of tit.
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