How Much Do You Earn? #2

[xbxbx]

NHS management is a good career ladder money wise
Is there a specific reason you don’t want to go down that route?
I have friends who are good and clever and competent and have progressed very quickly

It just doesn’t appeal to me, I don’t think I have the skills or drive to be a good manager anyway. My current manager is terrible and it makes mine and my colleagues jobs so much more difficult. It would actually be better if she wasn’t there at all and I would hate to be that type of manager for someone else. Without sounding too harsh, I also don’t care enough about other peoples problems or departmental problems enough to want to be the person that has to find a solution. I’ve done a little bit of supervision in my current post and that was enough for me to want to bang my head against a wall!

Every job I’ve had has been customer/patient facing and I’m honestly exhausted from it now. I want something a little bit more behind the scenes but still have some interaction with people. I’d also like something that will give me the option of hybrid working, not fully remote but maybe 1 or 2 days at home and the rest in an office.

 

[Dcl]

Hi, I earn €64000 per year before tax, manager of a team of SW's for a government body

 

[bourb0nbiscuits]

I’m a Band 7 in the NHS, my role is an operational manager and my job is everything from estates to HR to clinical work and everything in between. I earn £43k, I’m at the mid point of my banding.

 

[popb1tch]

It just doesn’t appeal to me, I don’t think I have the skills or drive to be a good manager anyway. My current manager is terrible and it makes mine and my colleagues jobs so much more difficult. It would actually be better if she wasn’t there at all and I would hate to be that type of manager for someone else. Without sounding too harsh, I also don’t care enough about other peoples problems or departmental problems enough to want to be the person that has to find a solution. I’ve done a little bit of supervision in my current post and that was enough for me to want to bang my head against a wall!

Every job I’ve had has been customer/patient facing and I’m honestly exhausted from it now. I want something a little bit more behind the scenes but still have some interaction with people. I’d also like something that will give me the option of hybrid working, not fully remote but maybe 1 or 2 days at home and the rest in an office.

What about a university?

 

[BettyCrockerr]

It just doesn’t appeal to me, I don’t think I have the skills or drive to be a good manager anyway. My current manager is terrible and it makes mine and my colleagues jobs so much more difficult. It would actually be better if she wasn’t there at all and I would hate to be that type of manager for someone else. Without sounding too harsh, I also don’t care enough about other peoples problems or departmental problems enough to want to be the person that has to find a solution. I’ve done a little bit of supervision in my current post and that was enough for me to want to bang my head against a wall!

Every job I’ve had has been customer/patient facing and I’m honestly exhausted from it now. I want something a little bit more behind the scenes but still have some interaction with people. I’d also like something that will give me the option of hybrid working, not fully remote but maybe 1 or 2 days at home and the rest in an office.

Admin at a school/university?

 

[Routron]

Thank you to those that have responded. Maybe I should give AAT/accounting another look. Part of my HNC involved a little bit of accounting and bookkeeping and I did enjoy it but I was never that great at maths so the thought of going down the route of accounting for a career was a bit scary.

Definitely don't worry about maths! I'm a qualified accountant and the last maths qualification I did was a GCSE. It's not as important as it used to be now that we have calculators and excel for everything.

 

[Romy]

Civil servant, no further education, £41,000. Not massively enjoying my current role but the benefit of the civil service is the ability to move around. I think I’ll stick in my current role for another year or so then move.

Don't you have a "life guaranteed" job when you are civil servant in the UK? What are the advantages ?

 

[Tunacanoe]

Would also agree that maths isnt as important for accounting between financial systems in use and calculators and excel if anything I found your discouraged from doing the mathematical elements in your head to ensure accuracy and having workings as backup for any calculation.

 

[Lazarus]

Don't you have a "life guaranteed" job when you are civil servant in the UK? What are the advantages ?

I don’t suppose anything is guaranteed these days, and the CS is no exception. However it is secure, and going from department to department makes you realise how diverse it is as an employer. I’ve worked in tax, benefit, public health, legal policy, charity etc. it’s a flexible employer with a decent pension and other perks.

 

[eyespy24]

This thread is so interesting!! I work in middle management in the NHS (band 6) - £33,706 (bottom of the band)
For background, didn't go to uni, just did GCSEs, A-Levels. Worked my way up at the NHS from a band 3.

 

[Romy]

I don’t suppose anything is guaranteed these days, and the CS is no exception. However it is secure, and going from department to department makes you realise how diverse it is as an employer. I’ve worked in tax, benefit, public health, legal policy, charity etc. it’s a flexible employer with a decent pension and other perks.

Thank you. It is in other countries, by law. So basically, unless you kill someone or similar lol, you keep your status (can't be redundant), probably the major perk. But on average our wages are less important that what I read for civil servants.

 

[Percypig]

I’m an 8b NHS manager (56k).
I started 14 years ago as a band 4 admin and worked my way up in various administrative roles.
The NHS is a great option for those that aren’t sure where to start their career, I have had project management training and an MSc funded to help me get to where I am. I’m very grateful

 

[mochibean]

Not enough.

 

[AutumnSpring]

I do, yesss! Will it be doing internal payroll for your company, or do you work for a payroll provider? If internal, does your company use a payroll provider (eg an accounting firm or specialist company such as ADP?)

I work for an employer of record so do a mix of internal and external payroll.

It’s internal payroll for about 1000 people, the company has grown a lot in the last few years and there is only one person doing payroll at the moment. I honestly don’t know red payroll provider I’d have to check. Would that make a difference?

I do, started off 8 years ago as payroll admin, 22k now payroll and benefits manager 35k no formal payroll training just learned on the job, I love it

Thank you! Would you say that’s the ceiling of that role or does it have potential to grow beyond that?

 

[Brianbadonde]

It’s internal payroll for about 1000 people, the company has grown a lot in the last few years and there is only one person doing payroll at the moment. I honestly don’t know red payroll provider I’d have to check. Would that make a difference?



Thank you! Would you say that’s the ceiling of that role or does it have potential to grow beyond that?

I run internal payroll for a company of 600 by myself so for me in my current employer yes but there are plenty of very well paid payroll jobs out there (60-70k for some) but then you’re looking at managing a team, reporting to leadership, project work etc. which isn’t what I really want to do and most very well paid payroll jobs will want a formal degree in payroll too (again I’m not interested in doing that) but I love my job, the wider team I sit in and it’s not difficult so a win win for me

 

[Lazarus]

Thank you. It is in other countries, by law. So basically, unless you kill someone or similar lol, you keep your status (can't be redundant), probably the major perk. But on average our wages are less important that what I read for civil servants.

I take your point, but look at the governments recent proposal (u-turn last week or so on it) to reduce CS headcount by 25%. It happens. They have offered redundancy packages before and I know people who have taken them.

 

[Romy]

I take your point, but look at the governments recent proposal (u-turn last week or so on it) to reduce CS headcount by 25%. It happens. They have offered redundancy packages before and I know people who have taken them.

It wouldn't work in France (or Spain or Italy.... ).

 

[EasterEggs]

Civil servant, no further education, £41,000. Not massively enjoying my current role but the benefit of the civil service is the ability to move around. I think I’ll stick in my current role for another year or so then move.

Quick q - are civil servants required to be in the office say 2/3 days a week?

The ongoing saga in my life is that I don’t really like wfh and so considering a career change but have no clue what! I worked in a Govt QUANGO for a year after uni and was considering civil service at that time but ended up in tax.

 

[Caffeine Fiend]

Quick q - are civil servants required to be in the office say 2/3 days a week?

The ongoing saga in my life is that I don’t really like wfh and so considering a career change but have no clue what! I worked in a Govt QUANGO for a year after uni and was considering civil service at that time but ended up in tax.

Minimum amount in my dept in office is 40% but if you wish to be in more you can be, no problems. We have people in 5 days per week in my office.

Some roles will need full in office. Some wont.

 

[tagliatelle]

It’s internal payroll for about 1000 people, the company has grown a lot in the last few years and there is only one person doing payroll at the moment. I honestly don’t know red payroll provider I’d have to check. Would that make a difference?



Thank you! Would you say that’s the ceiling of that role or does it have potential to grow beyond that?

Nah, it doesn’t make a difference really - obviously if you have a provider then you “just” have to quality check what they send back to you. So, tbh, sometimes it’s easier just to run the payroll yourself.

If you enjoy payroll but want a change of pace eventually you should definitely look at providers - ADP, Safeguard Global, CloudPay, Deel, Remote, Oyster, Papaya, Velocity Global - if you want more project-y stuff.