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freda19

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So the Harkles are now claiming they didn't want a 12 month review period but it was forced on them..

Anyone here think that's likely?


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Harry and Meghan: Duke refused trial period because he wanted clean break
Prince had to be talked into 12-month review

The Duke of Sussex was so intent on quitting the royal family that he initially refused the offer of a trial period allowing him and the duchess the chance of returning to the UK, The Times can reveal.

His determination to make a clean break without the option of review after 12 months emerged after three days of revelations about the unhappiness felt by Harry and Meghan and the battles they fought with both family and senior courtiers.

Finding Freedom, which has been serialised in The Times and The Sunday Times, revealed how Harry believed that the “old guard” at Buckingham Palace disliked Meghan and wanted to make her life difficult.

The book, by Omid Scobie and Carolyn Durand, also told how the rift between Harry and his brother the Duke of Cambridge was sparked by William telling Harry: “Take as much time as you need to get to know this girl” — a remark which Harry felt was “snobbish”.

Sources on both sides of the family divide admitted that no one has emerged from the weekend’s coverage looking good — except the Queen. One said: “People are aware that this does not look good for anyone.”

Before the weekend palace insiders were nervously bracing themselves for the worst. Today, however, while several of them felt exhausted by the “uproar” of recent days, there was a palpable sense of relief that it had not been worse.
“I don’t think anyone looks at all of this with any particular happiness,” said one source.

However, a suggestion in one newspaper that the disclosures meant the couple had “torpedoed” their chances of creating a new position for themselves within the royal family were dismissed by more than one source.
For not only do Harry and Meghan show no sign of wanting to come back from their new home in California, but it has now emerged that Harry had to be persuaded into accepting the idea of a trial period in the first place.

The idea of the review was suggested so that the couple would know that the door was always open for them. The Queen had always made it clear to Harry that he would be able to come back if he changed his mind.

“He was adamantly opposed to the review process,” said a source. He took the view that he did not want the press to write that there would be a review, suggesting that therefore they might change their minds and come back.

He was also opposed to the idea because it had come from the institution, which in Harry’s view was enough to make it a bad idea.

The source said that “under no circumstances would they ever admit ‘this was a big mistake’.”

However, one source said the purpose of the review was not so much to allow them to come back, as to permit some flexibility about their future role.

A source close to the Sussexes said: “Do I rule out them taking on roles for the family in the future? Absolutely not.
“But a full-scale return soon is not likely. That is not down to animosity or anything like that. They have not yet reached what they were seeking to do.”
The source said that Harry’s relationship with his brother was not as bad as it was portrayed at its nadir in the book. “It is not perfectly smooth, but the uproar of the weekend makes it seem more fractured than it is.”
What a load of bollox.
This whole situation is a mess but this is not Brenda's first rodeo. Her team are unsurpassed at sussing things and people out and planning the road ahead accordingly. Not a doubt in my mind her advisors have a play list of just what the gruesome twosome would do based on both their past histories and are cackling mightily every time they can tick off the latest fuck-up.
The back room boys knew what this pair would do before the twats themselves knew. The 12 months is the estimate of how long it would take the cunts to bury themselves and it's all going nicely.:m
If we were keeping scores it would be ⚽Brenda 15 - Sussexes 0.⚽ Though to be fair probably most of Brenda's score is own goals from the sussexes and she's not needed to anything beyond nicking their "Royal" use, locking up haz's pretty soldier uniforms and saying "no thanks, we'll manage on our own" to their offering to do high end events of their own choosing.
 
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PennyCrayon

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It sickens me how many people support her... All over twitter they're saying she did the right thing by leaving. I just wish Harry wasn't so fucking stupid he's a absolute cunt
Denise Welsh was on twitter yesterday saying how she wished people would just leave Meghan Markle alone and how all this must be affecting her mental health. So, she trashes a whole nation with her racist innuendos, disrespects our Queen, lies about W&K and basically whines that she didnt get her own way etc etc etc blah blah blah and we're supposed to just sit here and take it? If Meghan just sat down and shut up we wouldnt feel the need to call her out on her lies and hypocrisy. You cant defend the indefensible.
 
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Ceejayaitch

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Oh dear poor Megs she was shopping on the same street as Kate but Kate didnt give her a lift in her Range Rover. FGS what doesnt she understand about the fact that the Royals are very cautious private people. Even if she was 'dating' Harry at the time Kate wouldnt just give her a lift because she
hardly knew her and quite rightly probably didn't trust her.
You just know she would have turned it into a massive pap walk so don’t blame Kate for going separately.
 
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*Meghan was disappointed that she and Kate hadn’t bonded over the position they shared, but she wasn’t losing sleep over it.*

Eh no Meghan was disappointed that Kate saw right through her and that she was not able to manipulate Kate into believing she was an angel sent to rescue poor Harry from his torment of being part of the horrible racist RF.
 
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freda19

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Denise Welsh was on twitter yesterday saying how she wished people would just leave Meghan Markle alone and how all this must be affecting her mental health. So, she trashes a whole nation with her racist innuendos, disrespects our Queen, lies about W&K and basically whines that she didnt get her own way etc etc etc blah blah blah and we're supposed to just sit here and take it? If Meghan just sat down and shut up we wouldnt feel the need to call her out on her lies and hypocrisy. You cant defend the indefensible.
Denise Welsh got her unremarkable floppy tits out in zeleb BB and stalked the american movie star Michael Madsen right through the series. The guy was terrified of her. She's a trashy cunt, so it's just one cunt defending one of her tribe of cunts.
 
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I think the Palace have decided to finish them.
Argh...the delusion of grandeur 😂
They are even bigger what Freda says than I thought. This book, instead of painting a pretty picture of them, has so far exposed quite a few lies. Engagement in Botswana/and not over the chicken dinner. K & W preparing vegan food for her to make her feel welcome was definitely a friendly gesture, but they claim she wasn't warmly welcomed - how does that gel with the chicken dinner anyway? 😂 The fact that the Toronto paparazzi had M's phone number, and Scobie saying she had arranged pap shots before...not to mention the sudden back-pedalling on the sources for the book (is anybody stupid enough to think Megz DIDN'T have anything to do with it? And for a couple that apparently wanted privacy....there is far too much intimate detail).
 
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Thank you for post in that Bluebells. Interesting.

But here’s an idea, just get of your arses and go see how he is. If that’s all to much for you, send him some protection wether he wanted it or not (let’s face it British protection officers are very discreet and would hardly have made it obvious they were there). Thomas was like a rabbit in the headlights and left to stumble through. Maybe he made mistakes but there is no excuse for Harry not to have met him, the fact that he didn’t speaks volumes. Were they expecting Thomas to turn up for the wedding not knowing the protocol involved? The correct suit to wear? What was required in his speech? So, for all his mistakes I still feel he was thrown to the wolves.
It just doesn't ring true does it. To start with Thomas would have to have a suit tailored for him for the wedding, and Meghan being the sort of control freak that she obviously is, she would have wanted a say in how her dad was presented. After all she wouldn't want him turning up in something cheap or ill fitting he'd bought off the peg

So fitting for an approved suit of clothes for her dad should have taken place at least a month or two before the big day.

Then you have to consider rehearsals, protocols and making sure that he knew exactly what to do on the day. None of this story makes sense.

Personally I don't think that she ever wanted him to come and all of this was used to conspire against the possibility of it happening.
 
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freda19

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1 Sentence stood out as having Meghan stamped all over it " Everything else was noise " She uses this same phrase in the video she did for the womens thingybob ,a phrase I've never heard before then
Also, in the section about Thomas and the wedding scoobie says re smeggy WTE "This beautiful young woman was left blah blah blah .." :m
Why the fuck is her beauty or lack of even relevant? It just reads like a crappy Mills and Boon concoction.

Slightly off topic, but as a 17 yr old I had an emergency appendectomy and was hospitalised for a week, so I asked my mum to pick me up a couple of soppy Mills and Boon books to tide me over.Yes, my taste was crap even back then. After seeking them unsuccessfully in two shops the clever girl in the third shop sussed that my mum was after some Mills and Boons books and not seeking an author called Millicent Boom.😕
I read someone else tell a similar story online some years later and I showed my mum. She said "See? It's easily done Freda."🥰

Sorry. They are still cunts. In fact bigger fatter cunts than ever.
 
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antinoos

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Argh...the delusion of grandeur 😂
They are even bigger what Freda says than I thought. This book, instead of painting a pretty picture of them, has so far exposed quite a few lies. Engagement in Botswana/and not over the chicken dinner. K & W preparing vegan food for her to make her feel welcome was definitely a friendly gesture, but they claim she wasn't warmly welcomed - how does that gel with the chicken dinner anyway? 😂 The fact that the Toronto paparazzi had M's phone number, and Scobie saying she had arranged pap shots before...not to mention the sudden back-pedalling on the sources for the book (is anybody stupid enough to think Megz DIDN'T have anything to do with it? And for a couple that apparently wanted privacy....there is far too much intimate detail).
Also that vegan meal stuff. What sort of vegan has roast chicken as their signature dish? You can imagine the scene: k+w invite them round for an informal supper. how can you make that as difficult as possible? Ah yes the old vegan gluten free combo - oh and I dont eat onions, or tomatoes, or olive oil, or salt.....can we come at 6...we have to leave before 8.30...Megs will bring her own wine (and water)...I can just imagine.
 
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Here's the latest excerpt from the Sunday Times:

No workplace is perfect. In the rarefied world of the monarchy, the pressure could be insane. Such were the internal politics between Buckingham Palace, Clarence House and Kensington Palace that even royal-watchers started snickering when it appeared the households were scheduling events and social media posts on the same day to outdo one another. “There has always been competitiveness between the households,” admits a senior aide. “That will never change.”

It could hardly have come as a surprise that leaks were happening. One courtier privately bragged to friends about their ability to place a story, positive or negative, in any publication with a click of their fingers, and another told a respected newspaper editor that he could “handle anything after putting up with one of Meghan’s temper tantrums”. Staff described the atmosphere inside the three households as “competitive”, “miserable” and “full-on”.


Responsibility for the problem didn’t rest completely with the household staff — some of it came from the princes themselves. The rift had begun when the Duke of Cambridge questioned the pace at which his brother’s relationship with Meghan was moving.

“A happy and content Harry is rare, so to see him practically skipping around was a delight,” a source still in regular contact with the brothers said. “But at the same time William has always felt he needs to look out for Harry, not as a future monarch but as an older brother. Their whole adult lives he’s felt he should keep an eye on Harry and make sure he’s not in trouble and on a good path.”

Back when Meghan and Harry were dating, William, having met Meghan only a handful of times, wanted to make sure the American actress had the right intentions. “After all, these are two brothers that have spent their whole lives with people trying to take advantage of them,” the source said. “They’ve both developed a radar to detect that type of person, but as William didn’t know a whole lot about Meghan, he wanted to make sure Harry wasn’t blindsided by lust.”

Some members of staff were whispering words of alarm into the Duke of Cambridge’s ear. Meghan was totally foreign to this group of advisers, who could sometimes be even more conservative than the institution they guarded.

This was the backdrop when William sat down with his brother to discuss his relationship with Meghan.

“Don’t feel you need to rush this,” William told Harry, according to sources. “Take as much time as you need to get to know this girl.”

In those last two words, “this girl”, Harry heard the tone of snobbishness that was anathema to his approach to the world. During his 10-year career in the military, outside the royal bubble, he had learnt not to make snap judgments about people based on their accent, education, ethnicity, class or profession.

Also, to remove Meghan from the equation, Harry was tired of the dynamic that had become established between him and his older brother. There had come a point when Harry no longer felt as though he needed looking after. There was a thin line between caring and condescending. Just because he went about his life differently from his brother didn’t make it wrong.

William may have felt he was acting out of concern, but Harry was offended that his older brother still treated him as if he were immature. “Harry was pissed off,” another source said. “Pissed off that his brother would ask such a thing. Some felt it was an overreaction. But then, this sums them up as people — William, the calm and rational one, and Harry, who can’t help but take things far too personally.”

“Harry has a heart of gold, but he’s incredibly sensitive,” a longtime family friend said.

Though another friend added: “Harry could see through William’s words. He was being a snob.”

Harry was taken aback, even angry, despite the fact that William was simply looking out for his brother. He didn’t really know Meghan yet. William was concerned that Harry had isolated himself from many of their old friends. “But perhaps he just didn’t want to accept that Harry had grown up and become his own man,” said a source.

At least two other family members also voiced concerns to each other over the pace at which Harry’s relationship had moved. Meghan had often been the topic of conversation and gossip among them. When she arrived in the prince’s life, one senior royal referred to the American actress as “Harry’s showgirl”. Another told an aide, “She comes with a lot of baggage”. And a high-ranking courtier was overheard telling a colleague, “There’s just something about her I don’t trust.”

Harry was “aware of the talk”, a close friend of his said. “He’s extremely protective of Meghan. He understands that a lot of people are against them, and he will do everything he can to keep her safe and away from getting hurt — even if that means distancing himself from those people.”

Harry didn’t care what his family thought or said. “Nothing was going to get in the way of his happiness,” a source close to Harry and Meghan said. “He knew Meghan was right for him. Their love was real, and their feelings for each other were genuine. Everything else was noise.”

In the months after William talked to Harry about the relationship, the two hardly spoke. The brothers went from always making time for each other to spending barely any time together. Harry had always loved popping across the grounds of the palace to see George and Charlotte, bringing them gifts that included an electric SUV for his nephew and a tricycle for his niece. But those visits had come to a virtual halt by the summer of 2017. In fact, Harry had spent less time with Prince Louis than the others because of the growing tension between him and his brother after Louis’s birth on April 23, 2018. The distance came from both directions. Harry spent less time going over to see the children, but the invitations from William and Kate were the first to dry up.

Though it was not necessarily her responsibility, Kate did little to bridge the divide. She was fiercely loyal to her husband and his family.

Once Harry and Meghan were married, the gap between the brothers only widened. William and Kate’s feelings seemed obvious to the Sussexes that summer and beyond. Among all the friends and family Harry and Meghan hosted at their house in Oxfordshire between May 2018 and March 2019, the Cambridges failed to visit. “The invite was there,” a source said.

It was a far cry from how Harry had envisioned his future. The younger prince once told a friend that he had an image of getting married and spending time with William and Kate, the two couples together, their children best friends.

The friction between the brothers was one of several reasons Harry wanted to base his family in Windsor. “He wanted to get away from the goldfish bowl that was Kensington Palace,” a source said. “Everywhere you turn, you’re surrounded by staff and family. He was at a point in his life where he was working with his brother, doing the foundation with his brother and living by his brother. It was too much.”

High-ranking aides across all three royal households were so alarmed by the press coverage and speculation on social media about a rift between the brothers and their wives that they began openly discussing the impact it could have on the monarchy if things weren’t righted.

‘The Duke and Duchess of Sussex will move to Frogmore Cottage on the Windsor estate early next year as they prepare for the arrival of their first child,” the palace announced in November 2018 of their new home, a stone’s throw from Windsor Castle and just yards from Frogmore House, where they had held their wedding reception and engagement photoshoot. “Windsor is a very special place for their royal highnesses and they are grateful that their official residence will be on the estate.”

Frogmore was perfect for Harry and Meghan, given its connection to Windsor — but it wasn’t next door to William and Kate and their children. That was enough to set off the narrative of “Duelling duchesses” that took flight two days later.

Refusing to address incorrect rumours only reinforced them. Traditionally, the palace has had no comment when it comes to rumours, but the Sussexes felt it wasn’t afraid to bend the rules if it was to correct a story about higher-ranking family members. (Case in point: a spokesman went on the record in July 2019 to deny claims by a cosmetic clinic that Kate had had “baby Botox”.) Harry and Meghan were frustrated by this approach.

Meghan would agree with the assessment that the duchesses were not the best of friends. Their relationship hadn’t progressed much since she was Harry’s girlfriend. Although Meghan might have understood Kate’s wariness to strike up a meaningful friendship, they were still no closer by the time she was a fellow senior working member of the royal family and the wife of William’s brother. Flowers for her birthday were nice, but Meghan would far rather have had Kate check in on her during the most difficult times with the press.

But they were not at war with each other either. There were awkward moments, such as the day the women happened to cross paths at Kensington Palace (in early 2017, when Harry and Meghan were still only dating), and although both were heading out to go shopping — in the same street — Kate went in her own Range Rover. The truth was that Meghan and Kate just didn’t know each other that well. Although some aides claimed at the time that they “talked and texted regularly”, by the time of Harry and Meghan’s wedding the sisters-in-law had spent only a handful of occasions together.

At the outset of her romance with Harry, Meghan had fully expected Kate to reach out and give her the lie of the land on everything an outsider to the Firm needed to know. But that was not how things turned out. Meghan was disappointed that she and Kate hadn’t bonded over the position they shared, but she wasn’t losing sleep over it. According to a source, Kate felt they didn’t have much in common “other than the fact that they lived at Kensington Palace”.

The press continued to save its harshest criticism for Meghan. One story had a “furious” Kate intervening after Meghan “bollocked” a member of her staff. The Kensington Palace staff member was rumoured to be the deputy communications secretary, Katrina McKeever, who had left the palace after five years to explore new opportunities. Even Kensington Palace didn’t understand the bizarre story. McKeever left on a good note with the Sussexes, who sent her a handwritten letter and huge floral arrangement when she left.

It was open season on Meghan, with many looking for anything and everything to criticise. “Duchess Different,” a close friend of Meghan’s said. “That’s what people have a problem with. She’s the easiest person in the world to work with. Certain people just don’t like the fact she stands out.”

“This is a script that wrote itself as soon as you knew that an American actress was coming into the royal family,” another aide added.

Meghan felt as though some of the commentary and tabloid stories were more than a culture clash; they were sexist and prejudiced. If a man got up before dawn to work, he was applauded for his work ethic. If a woman did it, she was deemed difficult or “a bitch”. The double standard was exacerbated when it came to successful women of colour, often labelled demanding or aggressive.

Racism takes a different form in the UK from in America, but there is no mistaking its existence and how ingrained it is. A major theme of racism in the UK centres on the question of who is authentically “British”. It can come through in subtle acts of bias, micro-aggressions such as the palace staffer who told the biracial co-author of these words, “I never expected you to speak the way you do”, or the newspaper headline “Memo to Meghan: we Brits prefer true royalty to fashion royalty”. While the columnist was criticising Meghan for her Vogue editorials, there was another way to read it, which is that to be British meant to be born and bred in the UK — and be white.

There were reports that, before the wedding, Meghan had left Kate in tears following a bridesmaid fitting for Princess Charlotte. “Kate had only just given birth to Prince Louis and was feeling quite emotional,” a source said. There were reports that claimed Meghan’s “strict demands” caused Kate to cry.

A source, who was at the mid-May wedding fitting and has never discussed before what really happened, said stories about tears have been “puzzling” to those who were present. And in the end, the fitting was fine. Kate and Meghan were both a little stressed but professionals in the room, and there were other people there.”

Those close to Meghan questioned whether someone from the palace or a former employee could have been behind the story, and wondered aloud why aides refused to set the record straight there and then. “There are people, whether they work with the family or are members of the family, that know that a lot of this stuff isn’t true, and aren’t allowed to say anything, like that ridiculous story about Meg and Catherine and the bridesmaids’ dresses,” a trusted confidant said. “That story was ridiculous and so false.”

At the time, though, a Kensington Palace aide said only that the women, who were both hurt by the accusations, were “very different people”.

Several aides across the royal households now confirm that there was no fitting that left the Duchess of Cambridge in tears.

The press continued to save its harshest criticism for Meghan. One story had her demanding spray-bottle air fresheners to spritz around “musty” St George’s Chapel (the Queen’s regular place of worship, which contains the Royal Vault) for her wedding day, horrifying Buckingham Palace officials. The truth was that the discreet Baies scented air diffusers for the chapel provided by Diptyque — much like the candles that Kate chose to scent Westminster Abbey for her 2011 nuptials — had been approved by all parties involved.
Thanks again @MogTheCat

So basically idiotMeg has just confirmed in writing the rumours.

William and Kate come across as mature, measured and reasonable
Harry as a petulant dimwit and Meghan as a whiny Bridezilla

“Don’t feel you need to rush this,” William told Harry, according to sources. “Take as much time as you need to get to know this girl.”
So Harry had a hissy fit at this bit of well intentioned brotherly advice ?! :rolleyes:

So the « Meghan made Kate cry at the dress fitting » story.

Some of the children weren’t co-operating, and there was a lot going on. Everyone tried to help where they could, but it’s never easy with kids at fittings. There were no tears from anyone.
And in the end, the fitting was fine. Kate and Meghan were both a little stressed but professionals in the room, and there were other people there.


ffs, they’re kids. Charlotte would have been 3. I don’t think we’ve ever seen Kate stressed. That fitting must have been a nightmare.

« One story had her demanding spray-bottle air fresheners to spritz around “musty” St George’s Chapel ...... The truth was that the discreet Baies scented air diffusers for the chapel provided by Diptyque«

ok, so she did have air fresheners.


Dopey cow. Fancy admitting to that. She really is more stupid than I thought; admitting to every rumour.
Shes basically gone through her clipboard of grievances and tried to correct it, so basically confirming it. No one cares about the details.
We just now know the truth that Harry got angry with William just because he advised caution with Meghan.

Harry sounds like hard work. He actually seems even less intelligent than I thought before. It was well hidden by the Palace and now the book has exposed it..

A happy and content Harry is rare...

William may have felt he was acting out of concern, but Harry was offended that his older brother still treated him as if he were immature. “Harry was pissed off,” another source said. “Pissed off that his brother would ask such a thing. Some felt it was an overreaction. But then, this sums them up as people — William, the calm and rational one, and Harry, who can’t help but take things far too personally.”

“Harry has a heart of gold, but he’s incredibly sensitive,”
 
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Doodlebug005

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Just showing a bit of support to the gruesome twosome 😉
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Off to cook a big Irish breakfast fryup now... "Vegan" of course...NOT!!!
 
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Chilli pepper 19

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Glad to see the next release of the book is the usual shit show of yesterday. I really hope they're not reading the comments on any of the articles as poor little hazznoballs will be crying.

In the one quote where William is shown to show impeccable judgement and great awareness of sizing people up, do you think Harry’s making a very subtle dig that his brother was racist against his poor, perfect wife?

'During his ten-year career in the military, outside the Royal bubble, he had learnt not to make snap judgments about people based on their accent, education, ethnicity, class or profession.'

I do however seem to remember hazza doing this himself against a colleague of colour
 
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Margo_Channing

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I wonder how all those people who called Samantha bitter and jealous are feeling now knowing that Samantha was right about meghan being a horrible person
 
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NotDumbNotBlonde

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Thanks to @Norbs for the title with most Likes!

The Harkle Debacle rumbles on with the publication in The Times of advance excerpts from Scobie & Durand's 'Finding Freebies Freedom' eagerly republished and picked apart by other newspapers. Harry seems to be firmly under the bus driven by MM's hagiographers.
 
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freda19

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The Times have more. 😁💩

God knows the order they've come out in. Sorry 😘
Oh Jesus, barf central.:sick:
I couldn't finish that shite.I lost my cookies at "Harry said I love you first". Well of course he did dearie:rolleyes:
I have never in my puff told anyone a detail like that. Through 3 serious relationships and various brief ones it was never something up for general chit chat. Apart from when one twat stood by the ferris wheel and screamed "I love you Freda!" every time we rotated past him in our pod, but he was drunk, (yes I know, obviously:m) Seriously though, am I being nit picky? It's just too personal a detail to be gossiping about much less letting a balloon headed twunt tell everyone for £9.99p.
 
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Pom Bear

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Here is the one I made that was requested by Campagne ...Harry and Meghan as showgirls 😄 x

I also readded my one from the last thread just incase it was missed as I had reactions before I put the second one up 🙂 x

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One from last thread ...

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Katie Nicoll helpfully explaining to the Mail's legal team us that the Harkles like to get their messages into print via their friends.


She explained that the book appeared 'to give Meghan and Harry the chance, if not through their own voices, then through the voices of friends, confidants and people that they trust, to get their side of the story out there.'

She added that Meghan particularly felt 'muted' for her royal life, and didn't have the opportunity to respond to critics.

Mr Scobie and Miss Durand say they have spoken to more than 100 sources, including ‘close friends of Harry and Meghan, royal aides and palace staff (past and present)’.

A spokesman said the Duke and Duchess of Sussex did not contribute to the book. Meghan has been said in the past to permit friends to speak to the press on her behalf.


Will have the popcorn ready for 10.30 tomorrow. Hoping for a few friendly live-tweeters!
I don’t know about shooting yourself in the foot. I think they just blew their fucking legs off 😂 😂
 
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