I know my spelling was horrible, the autocorrect line disappeared but it probably just gave up.Intersex is totally different from trans. One is a vanishingly rare medical condition. A developmental abnormality. The other is a psychological issue. Don’t muddy the waters by trying to conflate the two.
Btw, it’s ‘hermaphrodite’.
( edited as I buggered up the quote)
There are also huge problems around things like single sex hospital wards. The NHS is turning itself inside out to be ‘inclusive’ and unfortunately it is throwing the baby out with the bath water in the process. For years single sex wards have been fought for and worked towards as a safeguarding and privacy and dignity measure. Now this is being thrown out as we are to allow male bodied (including male hormoned) people on female wards. Where women are at their most vulnerable.
Now I’m aware that not every man poses a risk and these male bodied people may have always been meek and mild in their daily life. However, illness, infection, medication, dehydration etc can cause confusion and sudden behavioural changes in patients (hyper sexualised, verbal or physical aggression etc). It’s not the fault of the patient but they pose a risk to themselves and others on the ward.
Or maybe one or more of the women on the ward have worries about men (previous DV, sexual violence or other harassment) and wouldn’t feel safe with a male on the ward? Why does the trans person’s rights trump theirs?
Don’t even get me started on prisons and the number of men ‘identifying’ their way out of male prisons and into women’s prisons where they can access hundreds of vulnerable women.
It is a disgrace and we are sleepwalking into it.
This endless argument about changing rooms / bathrooms suddenly becoming ripe hunting grounds for trans predators i find very unconvincing.Right.
but thanks to the ‘spectrum’ the 40year old man ‘identifying as a woman’ in the first example may not be able to change in primary school changing rooms but he CAN change in communal swimming pool, gym etc facilities where the 7 year old girl is present, naked and very vulnerable.
hepaticus, as a transgender person, you DO NOT SPEAK FOR US! Your attitude is everything that is going wrong here. Sheer arrogance and lack of compromise and understanding. YOU are the definition of ignorant privilege. Just stop.We used to think the world was flat, that women shouldn’t have the vote and that homosexuality was a sin. I think we should give the human race more credit-we can wise up pretty quickly when we want to and leave behind ludicrous ideas where they belong
There is also Rachel McKinnon/Veronica Ivy that is trans and a cyclist. She has beat women now in competitions and it is honestly a load of shite. You can tell by looking at her how she was built like a man, just by looking at her thighs compared to a natural born woman. As far as I am concerned she looks pretty damn manly in stature. But she goes on about how she should be allowed to compete in women's races. She changed her name from Rachel to Veronica last year after there was controversy about her competing...she apparently did it so it wouldn't show up in the search terms, sneaky witch. But it still does.I don’t identify as anything, that’s my point. I am a female, I am 5’5. That is my material reality.
And no one can possibly ‘feel’ like a man because what on earth does a man ‘feel’ like? Do they all feel the same? What is that feeling? It’s nothing. Every man probably feels something different Because being a man is about being male. Nothing more or less. It’s not a feeling it’s a sex.
absolutely. Even when on testosterone reducing hormones at their lowest level, it still remains at 5x a female level. And then there’s the height, the lung capacity, muscle size, strength etc. The Martina Navratilova documentary on the bbc was really interesting on this.
The IOC have brought in rules in 2016 that have allowed transwomen to compete. Look up Laurel Hubbard, the retired mid 40’s weight lifter who is now smashing all the woman’s records. It’s actually so fucking sad because a woman has lost her world record. It’s not fair.
Ugh that sucks. If anyone can identify as a woman, why bother with any sort of gender initiatives? Even like gender equality in workplaces, it means nothing if anyone can 'identify' as anythingAbsolutely, I saw the Tweets highlighting famous lesbians. I was shocked at how many of them are male.
Aaaand while we are here, has anyone see the flack that the Twitter account famous women in mathematics got over the past month because they would only include females? Its shocking. Really sad.
Not only that, but isn’t Iran one of those countries that essentially forces you to ‘transition’ if you're homosexual. Make of that what you will...We also need to talk about unscrupulous countries taking advantage of this loosening of requirements. Look at the Iranian 'womens' football team. 8 of them are male. No operations. Full genitalia. 8 females lost their places on the team for that. Women losing financial opportunities.
Most players on Iran’s women’s team are men: official
Iran’s soccer association has been blasted as “unethical” following bombshell reports that eight members of its women’s team are men. “[Eight players] have been playing with Iran’s female tea…nypost.com
Not a problem - apologiesI'm an intersex person and it was actually nice to read this type of thread without my community being brought up as a debating point and then SLAP there it was, and the H word no less!
The use of hermaphrodite is typically seen as a slur by us. Can it stop being used in this thread because it is offensive as well as inaccurate since humans can only be pseudo-hermaphrodites?
Similarly to the n word, some intersex people use the word to describe themselves but I've never met anyone who accepts others using it to describe or label us. I doubt anyone here would refer to BAME or LGBT people using a term those communities regard as a slur so it makes me feel very anxious to see it thrown around here.
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