Gender Discussions #5

[emmer_moans]

https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...-turns-inappropriate-maternity-leave-law.html

I know it’s the Daily Fail, but, one bit of good news:

‘Tory peer Baroness Noakes led the charge, dismissing as 'garbage' claims the word women could not be used in the legislation.

In a highly unusual move at second reading, the veteran backbencher put down an amendment expressing regret at its drafting which 'does not respect the fact that only women can be pregnant'.

[...]

She said: 'It is a biological fact that only women can be pregnant and give birth. That is why laws that relate to maternity issues have in the past routinely been drafted using the words woman, she and her.

'It's just not good enough to say that we have gender-neutral drafting now.

'If this Bill passes unamended it will be yet another precedent on the statute book for the elimination of women.'

Promising. We’ll see I guess.

 

[jewelkitty]

What the fuuuuuuck, I found another one

 

[IndominusRex]

How do people actually believe that bollocks when all the evidence is the contrary. A woman is murdered every 3 days.

 

[sephylily]

I'm 19 for the poll and I feel this way because of JK Rowling. A friend was asking if anyone had seen what she said and that it was bad so I thought I'd have a look and I honestly could not see a single thing wrong with what she'd said. I've always loved her and I love her even more now. I would never, ever mention anything to people in real life as I'd be too scared of the retaliation. I think I think differently than a lot of other teenagers because I was raised in a culture where women aren't always equal. This hasn't really directly affected me as my family are different and very matriarchal but there are still inklings of it running through my life. I think it's easier for people (young women) to act like feminism doesn't need to exist when they've never been treated differently because they were female by people close to them. I'm left-wing too so I don't know why people on twitter act like it's only conservatives that care.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

I just had a big argument with a male friend of mine who this I’m ‘disrespectiful’ to trans people because I admitiedly was mocking them by repeating some of the above quotes posted here from trans activists! When I told him that these were direct quotes and sent him screen shots he said it wasn’t fair for me to judge all activists off of a few isolated cases.. argh this guy is one of my best friends, he’s very far left, he has a heart of gold but he just cannot see my point of view and it is SO infuriating, he doesn’t think that women’s spaces or rights are at threat in any way... at this point I almost hope that shit kicks off and gets more crazy just so that people’s eyes can be opened to the madness!

Leftie men are the worst for this. They think they can lecture women on feminism also.

 

[Zenchick101]

When my mother got married it was illegal for her to work as a married woman. So no, I'm not impressed by a man who grows up with male privilege and then puts on a dress and is told he is better at womaning than actual women

my mum taught herself how to read, started working at 12 years old, became educated, moved up a socioeconomic class. Also was born in the middle of a war.. yeah not impressed either.

 

[emm]

When my mother got married it was illegal for her to work as a married woman. So no, I'm not impressed by a man who grows up with male privilege and then puts on a dress and is told he is better at womaning than actual women

Exactly, it is just insulting. The discrimination trans people face is nowhere near as bad as women have faced (and face) throughout history. When I talk to my mum about her experience as a young women at work etc it is horrifying to me. There is a reason that "older" women like JK rowling etc have made the statements they have

 

[jewelkitty]

Ummm yeah, maybe it's because they're MEN

 

[DanaScully]

At 14/15 I wanted a corset piercing (multiple piercings on the back with ribbons threaded through the rings to appear like a corset). It was the scene I was into at the time and I was very interested in body mods because my peers were.

I told my mum and showed her a picture and she scoffed at me and told me to sod off. I couldn't believe at the time that she didn't think it was nice and a good idea.

Looking back with adult eyes, there's not a chance in hell I'd ever have such a piercing. I dread to think how many young people are influenced by their peers and social media into transitioning who will later come to regret their decision.

The NHS will have a lot of explaining to do given they backtracked on puberty blockers being reversible. How many parents agreed to their children starting on them thinking they could go through puberty at a later date?

 

[2020two]

I don't understand the rapey vibes they give off by getting upset that people don't want to date/sleep with them. I am a single mother of 1 year old twins - do you know how many people want to date me? Not many 50% of men's dating profiles I see say "no single mums thanks". Do I get angry and send abuse? No, I swipe left. I have enough awareness to know I am not everyone's ideal and that's ok.

I went on SIX dates with a man before he decided me having children was an issue. I didn't threaten him with violence. I laughed it off.

 

[Inforapenny]

I'm 37
I've always felt passionately about girls and women's rights, I've always seen the shit and have always been deemed head strong and sometimes difficult in the context of not budging on women's rights. Back in the day it was never discussed but as a kid I would get cat called and was sexualised and it seemed OK....it was the late 90s and Britney spears in a school girls outfit was seen as acceptable. Although now I would argue women are way more sexualised.
I just saw the bullshit from about the age of 15.
I went to uni and discovered radical feminism and the likes of Mary daly, Andrea dworkin and fat is a feminist issue etc
I'm open about my beliefs I hate thinking I'm a radical feminist for having common sense and calling out the crap.
I have followed a woman's place since 2016 when the trans issue started rearing its ugly head.
I was a teacher for 10 years and in that time I saw kids transition or well try to
It was sad
Ive worked in the private sector and seen men dress up as women and for the rest of us to have to accept it and actually hold them in high esteem.
I work for Oxbridge uni... I feel I don't want to out myself but all our training for prejudice and discrimination is about trans and we are taught that ANYONE who says they are a woman should never be questioned. We now have grim unisex toilets which I've taken to filling with tampons and sanitary towels

I used to always vote Green but they have shat on women. I hate to say it but I can't vote for anyone. I'm disgusted by them apart from the Tories!!! I'd never vote for them but at least they have a lower threshold for self Id and trans rights being pushed as the most important thing

 

[SqualorVictoria]

That's largely because attitudes towards transwomen who don't 'pass' are horrific - many transwomen are harassed either way, but especially if they don't try their hardest to appear as women. Besides, it's literally part of the process; getting officially recognised as a woman, getting access to hormones etc is a very long and arduous process, part of which is a period of presenting as a woman (or man if you're a transman). You quite literally have to ''prove'' your dysphoria by dressing and acting as the most stereotypical representative of your preferred gender. On one hand it helps trans people move away from dysphoria connected to their 'birth genders', but on the other hand it's quite difficult and (especially for trans women) opens them up to a lot of abuse from less supportive members of society. :/

Please stop with the fake news of how trans people are harassed more than anyone else- they are not the most oppressed minority ever. What about the abuse and violence women receive? The truth is, the UK is a very safe space for trans people. Anyone in theory could have abuse shouted at them in the street. I have friends who are slightly bigger than normal and have been shouted at. It's horrible but my point is it can be at anyone who stands out for whatever reason

We're on thread number 5 now so that's almost 5000 posts, many of us have expressed valid concerns about gender ideology and your take has been to tell us that they face such a tough life because it's all about passing? By the way, you actually don't have to have gender dysphoria to be considered 'trans'- under the trans umbrella a cross dresser is now considered trans and can be recognised as a woman legally, thus having access to womens spaces, prisons, etc. You might think that extremists on Reddit are not the norm but why are institutions and universities and companies totally captured? 3 womens rape/ refuge centres in the UK were closed lately because they were too focused on women

I think your information in regard to the trans debate is out of date in all honestly.

 

[Aquamarina]

I’m afraid I’m a middle-aged forty something radical feminist. I hate the term ‘Karen’, it’s yet another stupid American imported word that is used to denigrate women. I do recognise that there are some racist women in America who try to get black people arrested etc, but we shouldn’t be labelling any older women with an opinion someone doesn’t like with this insulting slur.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

I'm seeing a lot of trans people saying that they have more right to womanhood because they have to work for it. Crazy

A few days ago I saw a tweet saying that women let themselves go in their 40s and 50s but trans women make the effort to stay beautiful. Dafuq?!

Found the tweet: it was in Japanese, here is the translation:


"You can't be a perfect woman. It makes me sad when I think about it. But MtFs are superior [to women] in a way because they make an effort to become women. Most women in their 40s and 50s give up on beauty, but we want to grow older without forgetting to be beautiful."

 

[SqualorVictoria]

When trans women scoff at womens concerns that just also proves along with everything else that they are not women.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

If a trans man with a GRC gives birth then they are actually in breach of the GRC (living like a man) and should therefore have it revoked

 

[emm]

What is the deal with all these tweets like 'IWD is for ALL women: trans, disabled, women of colour, lesbians'. So..men, and then..women?

and at what point has anyone claimed disabled women or women of colour are not women?

 

[Enigmata]

Stolen from someone on Instagram. I’ve had this conversation with my OH so many times. The things in the column on the right wouldn’t even enter his head.

We have a dog. My husband complains that I won't take her out late at night. When I say I don't feel safe he laughs! It just doesn't enter their head.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

It's hilarious how idiots like Twitter do a search on Twitter and then use it as a gotcha if nothing is returned. Because if it didn't happen on Twitter it never happened. Never mind that JB has been a renowned feminist since long before the era of social media. Shows how small Ash's world is.

 

[queenamber]

They might not be nominated again but several others will Have any trans men won an award that is gender specific like this?

I think it was a few years ago when the Women's Prize also had a non-binary author on the longlist. If you don't identify with a particular gender, then why on earth are you submitting your work to the WOMEN'S prize!